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Then those of you trying to take this to another level better be ready to step before a ethics review board to state your case. Otherwise, its your word against again...a ""internationally-recognized scholar".
Good luck with that!
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internationally recognized scholar? Did they put that in the article seriouslyor did you call him that? I wonder what makes you that. I've had abstracts in international meetings as well as the major one for my field. Does that make me an internationally known scholar? Or do i actually need a PhD for that?
Here is my whole thing with it usually science is peer reviewed and that is what alot of these critiques are, perr reviews.
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Actually most institutions take ethics very seriously and our government takes research on human subjects even more serious (although they were the worst violators in the past)
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And you dont think anyone at Loyola reviewed his work prior to it being published?
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No i don't actually. He did not put Loyola in that paper and as far as i can tell by "published" they are refering to the fact that he placed it on his blog. I can find no Journal refrence.
Here is one of my papers you can see that both the journal and the institution are refrenced.
Identification of a survival-promoting peptide in medium conditioned by oxidatively stressed cell lines of nervous system origin.Cunningham TJ, Hodge L, Speicher D, Reim D, Tyler-Polsz C, Levitt P, Eagleson K, Kennedy S, Wang Y.
Department of Neurobiology and Anatomy, Allegheny University of the Health Sciences, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19129, USA. J Neurosci. 1998 Sep 15;18(18):7047-60
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I published something once. It was a study on the effects of alcohol on people who are specifically attracted to one race yet find themselves in a room filled with everything BUT that race of the opposite gender. I called it "Phillipino, Mexican...close enough."
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LMAO sounds like a ground breaking piece of research and a must read!
This is directly taken from Myers' paper:
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But, from TwixtÂ’s point of view, droning and other sorts of aggressive teleporting were quite useful to delay or otherwise thwart villain intentions, particularly in cases where the villain contingent out-numbered hero players within the zone. Therefore, Twixt used the teleport-foe tactic whenever necessary and available; and this single tactic was considered his most severe breach of social etiquette.
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He didn't "Play to win", he played to make other people lose. His justification was: "It's not expressly forbidden in the EULA and TOS."
I'm sorry, Droning, as it used to be, was poor game desgn that couldn't be addressed by the Devs until recently. It's one of the many reasons PVP in CoH/V was, and continues to be, a marginal part of the game.
He's written two other papers on CoH/V this was the one dealing with PVP.
Myers, D. (2007). Self and selfishness in online social play. In Baba, Akira (Ed.), Situated Play, Digital Games Research Association Conference Proceedings (pp. 226-234). Tokyo: University of Tokyo
http://www.digra.org/dl/db/07312.58121.pdf
Myers, D. (2005). /hide: The aesthetics of group and solo play. Paper presented at the Changing Views: Worlds in Play, Digital Games Research Association Conference, Vancouver, Canada, June 16-20, 2005. Retrieved February 29, 2008 from http://www.digra.org/dl/db/06276.04321.pdf
EDIT: Added link for second paper.
"Steady as a mountain, attack like fire, still as a wood, swift as the wind.
In heaven and earth I alone am to be revered."
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Then those of you trying to take this to another level better be ready to step before a ethics review board to state your case. Otherwise, its your word against again...a ""internationally-recognized scholar".
Good luck with that!
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internationally recognized scholar? Did they put that in the article seriouslyor did you call him that? I wonder what makes you that. I've had abstracts in international meetings as well as the major one for my field. Does that make me an internationally known scholar? Or do i actually need a PhD for that?
Here is my whole thing with it usually science is peer reviewed and that is what alot of these critiques are, perr reviews.
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I took that from his bio on the schools webpage....
http://css.loyno.edu/masscomm/facult.../david-m-myers
If you would like to argue his status, there's a email address and direct phone number on the page. You might also contact the dean of the department and ask him the critera for becoming internationally recognized.
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It's not logical for me to stand up against someone painting myself and my friends in a negative light without cause?
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I know there's a joke to be had somewhere in there, about Jester being a Pingu and us being grouped in with him too.
I'm just not in the proper mood to structure it right.
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He didn't "Play to win", he played to make other people lose. His justification was: "It's not expressly forbidden in the EULA and TOS."
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I dunno. When Twixt was on Champion, he did everything you'd expect a player "trying to win" would do. The guy went from station to station eliminating the turrets, etc ... trying to win the zone for heroes. That may have changed when he moved to Freedom, but when I zone PvP'd he usually tried to win.
Other than his seeming autism and poor command of the English language, I never had an issue with Twixt. I loved Twixt-isms ... "Base Is Safe" and "Arean Boy" were a significant part of my vocabulary for a few months.
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internationally recognized scholar? Did they put that in the article seriouslyor did you call him that? I wonder what makes you that. I've had abstracts in international meetings as well as the major one for my field. Does that make me an internationally known scholar? Or do i actually need a PhD for that?
Here is my whole thing with it usually science is peer reviewed and that is what alot of these critiques are, perr reviews.
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I took that from his bio on the schools webpage....
http://css.loyno.edu/masscomm/facult.../david-m-myers
If you would like to argue his status, there's a email address and direct phone number on the page. You might also contact the dean of the department and ask him the critera for becoming internationally recognized.
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I don't know what is sadder, the fact he is an internationally recognized SCHOLAR OF VIDEO GAMES or the fact that even with those credentials, he still doesn't seem to understand [censored].
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His cousin from Canada can pick him out of a line-up.
That's about it.
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"Did your Phantom Army just take the Elevator? Imaginary People riding Elevators? *facepalm*
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It's not logical for me to stand up against someone painting myself and my friends in a negative light without cause?
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I know there's a joke to be had somewhere in there, about Jester being a Pingu and us being grouped in with him too.
I'm just not in the proper mood to structure it right.
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Are you saying there's something wrong with Jester? ;D
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anyone know what build this guy was? It's evident that he was a hero class, but what AT?
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One thing puzzles me about his actions in RV. He would try to "win the zone" at all costs etc...but i thought it was funny that he would TP not just the neutral parties in the zone, that were not pvping as he describes in his papers, but also the PvPers who were in fact playing the zone as intended. Trying to defeat either good or evil.
I have gotten tped by him a few times during my tenure with HVND I never got me killed or anything (at least not repeatedly, i'm sure he has a log if he did), but it doesn't seem to correlate with his study because myself and others were pvping the opposite faction.
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I know there's a joke to be had somewhere in there, about Jester being a Pingu and us being grouped in with him too.
I'm just not in the proper mood to structure it right.
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So about your cousin . . . . .
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And you dont think anyone at Loyola reviewed his work prior to it being published?
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Its on a blog, no university is referenced, no paper has been published, there has been no peer review.
Im curious to see what his angle is.
I dont think we will see a paper published, the research methods are atrocious, and i would think a paper of this type would be professionally embarassing.
But then again, maybe this type of research is the norm in this kind of field 
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I just got done reading the article and the whole paper he wrote. I also forwarded the link to a Psychology Major friend of mine. She wants to use his paper and experiances as resource material for a paper she's writing on Divergent Anti-Social Disorders. And. She's. 100%. Serious.
I Couldn't stop laughing for almost 5 minutes.
Ping, if you could, please forward me a copy of the response letter you write, and let me know if she can use it in her paper as well.
I'll be writing a retort that she may use, but I think multiple responses would do better.
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Post it!
postit postit postit postit postit postit postit
POOOOST IIIIIT!!!!!!
"OK, first of all... Shut Up." - My 13-Year-Old Daughter
29973 "The Running of the Bulls" [SFMA] - WINNER of the Mighty Big Story Arc Contest !
- The Stellar Wind Orbital Space Platform
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I published something once. It was a study on the effects of alcohol on people who are specifically attracted to one race yet find themselves in a room filled with everything BUT that race of the opposite gender. I called it "Phillipino, Mexican...close enough."
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The key part of ANY scientific experiment is repeatability. Preferably by other researchers.
*grabs hat, wallet full of 20's, and heads out the door*
"OK, first of all... Shut Up." - My 13-Year-Old Daughter
29973 "The Running of the Bulls" [SFMA] - WINNER of the Mighty Big Story Arc Contest !
- The Stellar Wind Orbital Space Platform
Prof. David Myers has been presenting this paper at conferences for the last two years:
http://www.digra.org/dl/db/07312.58121.pdf
He may have copied chatlogs with your unchanged user name on it. You might want to check. I think this might be a EULA violation, since the names might be those of minors and there was no way for him to know.
(As for "15 minutes of fame for reporting an ethics violation"....uh, check your local Barnes and Noble, m'kay? Or Amazon. "Mercedes Lackey" This isn't even a blip on my radar.)
Author of: GOOD TASTE: A Frequent Die-ers Guide to the Turf, Sand and Carpet of Paragon City
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I published something once. It was a study on the effects of alcohol on people who are specifically attracted to one race yet find themselves in a room filled with everything BUT that race of the opposite gender. I called it "Phillipino, Mexican...close enough."
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The key part of ANY scientific experiment is repeatability. Preferably by other researchers.
*grabs hat, wallet full of 20's, and heads out the door*
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Hey, want to volunteer for a study called "Beer Goggles, Coyote Ugly, and the Morning After?"
Author of: GOOD TASTE: A Frequent Die-ers Guide to the Turf, Sand and Carpet of Paragon City
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Prof. David Myers has been presenting this paper at conferences for the last two years:
http://www.digra.org/dl/db/07312.58121.pdf
He may have copied chatlogs with your unchanged user name on it. You might want to check. I think this might be a EULA violation, since the names might be those of minors and there was no way for him to know.
(As for "15 minutes of fame for reporting an ethics violation"....uh, check your local Barnes and Noble, m'kay? Or Amazon. "Mercedes Lackey" This isn't even a blip on my radar.)
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As a total offtopic aside, my wife LOVES your books.
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Prof. David Myers has been presenting this paper at conferences for the last two years:
http://www.digra.org/dl/db/07312.58121.pdf
He may have copied chatlogs with your unchanged user name on it. You might want to check. I think this might be a EULA violation, since the names might be those of minors and there was no way for him to know.
(As for "15 minutes of fame for reporting an ethics violation"....uh, check your local Barnes and Noble, m'kay? Or Amazon. "Mercedes Lackey" This isn't even a blip on my radar.)
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A quick once over allowed me to find Silent Spy and Wildstar's names in the paper. Silent Spy's quote is from the forums, Wildstar's is in-game.
I also noticed an amazingly obvious typo in the heading of a section. That's kind of sad.
- Ping (@iltat, @Pinghole)
Don't take it personally if you think I was mean to you. I'm an ******* to everyone.
It's a penguin thing. Pingu FTW.
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Prof. David Myers has been presenting this paper at conferences for the last two years:
http://www.digra.org/dl/db/07312.58121.pdf
He may have copied chatlogs with your unchanged user name on it. You might want to check. I think this might be a EULA violation, since the names might be those of minors and there was no way for him to know.
(As for "15 minutes of fame for reporting an ethics violation"....uh, check your local Barnes and Noble, m'kay? Or Amazon. "Mercedes Lackey" This isn't even a blip on my radar.)
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A quick once over allowed me to find Silent Spy and Wildstar's names in the paper. Silent Spy's quote is from the forums, Wildstar's is in-game.
I also noticed an amazingly obvious typo in the heading of a section. That's kind of sad.
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I know ReDororthy is quoted in his paper too, although not saying anything terribly unkind, of course.
"Don't unravel them-- your ears were meant to be that way."
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I just got done reading the article and the whole paper he wrote. I also forwarded the link to a Psychology Major friend of mine. She wants to use his paper and experiances as resource material for a paper she's writing on Divergent Anti-Social Disorders. And. She's. 100%. Serious.
I Couldn't stop laughing for almost 5 minutes.
Ping, if you could, please forward me a copy of the response letter you write, and let me know if she can use it in her paper as well.
I'll be writing a retort that she may use, but I think multiple responses would do better.
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Post it!
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POOOOST IIIIIT!!!!!!
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When she's finished, and turned it in, and graded, then I'll ask if I can post it. I'm not assuming anything with her. If I post it without permission, I'm risking a severe beating..... and not the fun kind.
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Digra. hehe
The APA and DIGRA are really not on the same academic plane. I don't the prof is going to be in trouble for presenting that essay - and he makes it pretty clear on page one that its an essay not a controlled experiment of any kind. That wouldn't have been looked at twice in any kind of meaningful research journal.
I sadly haven't read the newspaper article (nola.com is banned @ work), but I think the prof isn't in nearly the trouble folks were alluding to earlier.
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The key part of ANY scientific experiment is repeatability. Preferably by other researchers.
*grabs hat, wallet full of 20's, and heads out the door*
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Hey, want to volunteer for a study called "Beer Goggles, Coyote Ugly, and the Morning After?"
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No, thank you. I'm still fond of my left arm. 
"OK, first of all... Shut Up." - My 13-Year-Old Daughter
29973 "The Running of the Bulls" [SFMA] - WINNER of the Mighty Big Story Arc Contest !
- The Stellar Wind Orbital Space Platform
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I think its interesting, accurate and thought provoking. Much like life in CoH you either go thru
1. attempting to please others,
2. attempting to displease others
3. lead others
4. be lead by others
5. be anarchic
6. or attempt to bring people together.
Twixt's play though by the letter of the in game rules was not without fault. Having made several statements that he 'just played' is not correct. Those that came to revile Twixt did so because he goaded them. Posting his defeat logs. Spamming insults in broadcast. and more. I believe his study lacks the empirical merit and proper controls required to form the conclusive pothesis "If you don't play by the unwritten rules you become an outcast".
As many know performing a function to the letter of a specified parameter is not necessarily noteworthy. What was noteworthy about Twixt, and how the good professor portrayed him as a manic martyr, was he made no effort to justify his actions for the betterment of the community. The study is just a reinforcement of what has been long known to those with a shred of common sense....people, real or virtual, do not like what they do not understand.
LoL he took a sabattical and a stipend to play CoH to figure out what my big brother tought me at 6 years old. Hopefully on his next paper he can find a conclusive reason why developers wont return pvp back to the way it was. It can be titled, 'Biting the hand that feeds you'
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I understood him and still didnt like him. He was also easy to bait into talkin smack. So you are right on, he didnt just play. I am jealous of one thing, that old man got someone to pay him real money to play CoX. Seriously thats brilliant.
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No i don't actually. He did not put Loyola in that paper and as far as i can tell by "published" they are refering to the fact that he placed it on his blog. I can find no Journal refrence.
Here is one of my papers you can see that both the journal and the institution are refrenced.
Identification of a survival-promoting peptide in medium conditioned by oxidatively stressed cell lines of nervous system origin.Cunningham TJ, Hodge L, Speicher D, Reim D, Tyler-Polsz C, Levitt P, Eagleson K, Kennedy S, Wang Y.
Department of Neurobiology and Anatomy, Allegheny University of the Health Sciences, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19129, USA. J Neurosci. 1998 Sep 15;18(18):7047-60
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I published something once. It was a study on the effects of alcohol on people who are specifically attracted to one race yet find themselves in a room filled with everything BUT that race of the opposite gender. I called it "Phillipino, Mexican...close enough."