He is publishing a book about this? Buying two copies.
I'm going to go through it just to see all the familiar names.
That is... uh, yeah. I had no idea it was a research effort.
Yeah no doubt. I have seen the frustration of pvp'rs on test and over on infinity. I was sent the link by a friend who also games in cox from nola. I have been that guy, in terms of ganged up on or killed. I take it all in stride. It's just a game. I too realize how serious the statements are, as my brother is a wow player and the crew he runs with is quite an interesting group lemme tell you. Lastly I can't wait to read this upcoming book. Rock on Twixt!
Interesting. Most people would assume that Twixt was anything but a scholarly type...It's like a really good joke.
I read the paper, but I can't believe that he's doing a book.
I love it <3
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I think its interesting, accurate and thought provoking. Much like life in CoH you either go thru
1. attempting to please others,
2. attempting to displease others
3. lead others
4. be lead by others
5. be anarchic
6. or attempt to bring people together.
Twixt's play though by the letter of the in game rules was not without fault. Having made several statements that he 'just played' is not correct. Those that came to revile Twixt did so because he goaded them. Posting his defeat logs. Spamming insults in broadcast. and more. I believe his study lacks the empirical merit and proper controls required to form the conclusive pothesis "If you don't play by the unwritten rules you become an outcast".
As many know performing a function to the letter of a specified parameter is not necessarily noteworthy. What was noteworthy about Twixt, and how the good professor portrayed him as a manic martyr, was he made no effort to justify his actions for the betterment of the community. The study is just a reinforcement of what has been long known to those with a shred of common sense....people, real or virtual, do not like what they do not understand.
LoL he took a sabattical and a stipend to play CoH to figure out what my big brother tought me at 6 years old. Hopefully on his next paper he can find a conclusive reason why developers wont return pvp back to the way it was. It can be titled, 'Biting the hand that feeds you'
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Eh. I'll buy it. Been needin' a good book to entertain me.
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Those that came to revile Twixt did so because he goaded them. Posting his defeat logs. Spamming insults in broadcast. and more.
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Very true. It also conveniently ignores that his play ignored the reward structure of the game.
While he may have propogated his thesis to encourage further study, I feel that sometimes a person of 'cred' needs to partake in efforts which are known, yet misunderstood, by the average citizen in order to produce an active discussion within the realm of the social sciences.
Besides, everyone has a curiosity about the darker side of the omfgwtfbbq internetz. Of which they are branches of sociology and anthropology, even if at times a tad on the abhorrent. So why shouldn't someone research and publish the experiments and ponderings of those curiosities?
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But if you read the whole thesis and article that too was part of the social experiment. I personally found the whole thing fascinating. Take an objective approach- I'm almost 30, think of it this way. Our news media for example has covered more about the death and various other crap of the pervervial king of pop, than one of the greatest revolutions of our time occuring in Iran. He in effect points out the narrowmindedness of people in some fashon, and the compassion of others in the same breath. He effectively points out that in many ways we as people and players are rather self absorbed. In his own right as the professor, and/or Twixt he is infact correct.
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My argument is not stop the research and publishing. It is to publish everything that was found and the basis in which it was determined. The martyrdom of Twixt was not the result of an unfounded humanistic phenomenon, it was the deliberate effort of the good professor that caused the ruckus. It is a classic example of someone who knows better acting like an idiot and then wondering why nobody likes him. Again not an impressive social dynamic. My 6 year old son can explain cause an effect to him very well.
Your PvP host with the most.
4shes and Enigma 2v2 PvP
Open your Eyes to I13 PvP
An Introduction to I14 PvP
Wow.
totally buying a copy. Twixt ftw!
So now when someone team-wipes my next PUG, I should ask them if they're working on a research paper before I tell them to go [censored] themselves?
... Hypothetically.
anyone know what build this guy was? It's evident that he was a hero class, but what AT?
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The martyrdom of Twixt was not the result of an unfounded humanistic phenomenon, it was the deliberate effort of the good professor that caused the ruckus. It is a classic example of someone who knows better acting like an idiot and then wondering why nobody likes him. Again not an impressive social dynamic.
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Alternate headline: 100s of hours spent in an imaginary video game world to prove the Golden Rule still applies.
It is funny that he "tricked" so many people into thinking he was a jerk. Then again, maybe he really is a jerk.
After this, am I the only one who will be looking out for Stryker's PhD thesis?
"Don't unravel them-- your ears were meant to be that way."
-Steve Aylett
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So now when someone team-wipes my next PUG, I should ask them if they're working on a research paper before I tell them to go [censored] themselves?
... Hypothetically.
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Or maybe... you have a better excuse to team-wipe that team of AE noobs that keeps blind inviting you. When they freak out, tell them you're working on a research paper.
I read the paper and there were a few recognizable names, but the few I recognized didn't say anything bad about twixt.
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I lol'd. Here's Scooter's idea of a thesis:
"THESIS my SG! THESIS my prestige! THESIS my rules! You don't play by my rules...THESIS the door! THESIS the black list, you're on it now! THESIS a blind invite!"
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I lol'd. Here's Scooter's idea of a thesis:
"THESIS my SG! THESIS my prestige! THESIS my rules! You don't play by my rules...THESIS the door! THESIS the black list, you're on it now! THESIS a blind invite!"
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Oh the truthiness of it all. I rofl'd and think I broke a toe.
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After this, am I the only one who will be looking out for Stryker's PhD thesis?
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I lol'd. Here's Scooter's idea of a thesis:
"THESIS my SG! THESIS my prestige! THESIS my rules! You don't play by my rules...THESIS the door! THESIS the black list, you're on it now! THESIS a blind invite!"
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This day just keeps getting better.
Was this you?
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I am a COH player and veteran of other online games. I'm not a huge fan of PVP, but even though I rarely go into the PVP zones, I had heard of Twixt through the grapevine. However, contrary to this article, Twixt was never the most reviled person in the game or even on his server, just a minor annoyance to the small PVP community with delusions of grandeur.
In my experience, in game or real life, you get back a lot of what you put out there. If you treat people with kindness and respect, they tend to treat you with respect in return. On the other hand, if you treat everyone you meet with contempt, you should not be surprised when people start to dislike you. Or to put it even more simply, what goes around, comes around.
This rule of "social groups," to do unto others as you would have them do unto you, did not originate with video games.
The article makes it sound like "magically transporting other players to a robot firing squad" takes some kind of skill. It does not- even a non-PVP player like me could sit around and do that all day if I wanted to be as scorned as Twixt. In the game it is generally considered cowardly since there is not any actual fight or skill involved. Yes, it is technically within the "rules" but is not considered sportsmanlike or honorable. If what this article claims is true, it wasn't Twixt's "skill" that kept him alive, it was his ability to hide behind the robotic skirts of the zone drones.
His "experiment" seems to be to test the hypothesis that if you behave like a jerk in a video game, people will treat you like a jerk. Shocking, groundbreaking work there. GG Prof. Myers.
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Very well said. Quite honestly i feel the tone of the article and the Professor's own words show him to be very lacking in even a pretense of objectivity or awareness of how many others actually viewed him in regards to his own behavior.
i also recall him being a topic of humor and mild annoyance for most, not "the most hated player in the game". True, some of the PvP types might have felt that way, but even most of them just thought he was annoying or amusing IIRC.
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Posted by StarkFist on 07/06/09 at 3:27PM
I am a COH player and veteran of other online games. I'm not a huge fan of PVP, but even though I rarely go into the PVP zones, I had heard of Twixt through the grapevine. However, contrary to this article, Twixt was never the most reviled person in the game or even on his server, just a minor annoyance to the small PVP community with delusions of grandeur.
In my experience, in game or real life, you get back a lot of what you put out there. If you treat people with kindness and respect, they tend to treat you with respect in return. On the other hand, if you treat everyone you meet with contempt, you should not be surprised when people start to dislike you. Or to put it even more simply, what goes around, comes around.
This rule of "social groups," to do unto others as you would have them do unto you, did not originate with video games.
The article makes it sound like "magically transporting other players to a robot firing squad" takes some kind of skill. It does not- even a non-PVP player like me could sit around and do that all day if I wanted to be as scorned as Twixt. In the game it is generally considered cowardly since there is not any actual fight or skill involved. Yes, it is technically within the "rules" but is not considered sportsmanlike or honorable. If what this article claims is true, it wasn't Twixt's "skill" that kept him alive, it was his ability to hide behind the robotic skirts of the zone drones.
His "experiment" seems to be to test the hypothesis that if you behave like a jerk in a video game, people will treat you like a jerk. Shocking, groundbreaking work there. GG Prof. Myers.
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Actual post here.
Very well said. Quite honestly i feel the tone of the article and the Professor's own words show him to be very lacking in even a pretense of objectivity or awareness of how many others actually viewed him in regards to his own behavior.
i also recall him being a topic of humor and mild annoyance for most, not "the most hated player in the game". True, some of the PvP types might have felt that way, but even most of them just thought he was annoying or amusing IIRC.
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This whole book thing surprised me because I thought that the paper was a joke in the first place. This "study" still seems ridiculous, unoriginal and poorly executed to me.
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anyone know what build this guy was? It's evident that he was a hero class, but what AT?
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He was a DM/Regen Fearbot.
He went out of his way to not get kills himself, but instead, he would TP Foe/Fear people into mobs to intentionally give them debt. If he came across someone with the ability to overcome his tactic (he really only had one), he would Teleport away.
I read his story when he first released it, and while he's apparently an educated individual, his story was not very interesting to me because it felt like a dumb proof. Similar to a researcher releasing statistical proof that teenage boys think about bewbies a whole lot, his entire story was predictable. Of course people got angry, this individual was wasting their time, more than anything. Debt can be specifically tracked as a required time sink in order to get rid of it, so anytime he gave an individual debt (which occurred thousands of times), he was actually stealing some of that person's time. How shocking that people would be angry about such a thing.
He would go on to attack, insult, or dismiss peoples' criticisms of this approach to gameplay, which, in turn, made people angrier about the fact that this individual not only went out of his way to rob people of their available time, but he then seemingly embraced and prided himself on this fact.
I won't be paying any money, at any time, to support someone's proof that being a [censored] makes other people angry.
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http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2...fessor_be.html
Oh my god. This is amazing.