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It doesn't in anyway change the fact that 95% of Stalkers in zones will wait for their target to be low enough on HP to be able to drop them in one attack, even if that target did happen to have a few more than 10 HP before the attack. If that target is already engaged with somebody that is not on that Stalkers team, then yes it is KSing. I know far too many Stalkers that have made a whole career of feeding off of the scraps of others. Whether or not KSing is a bad thing is a completely different discussion, but don't try to call it anything other than what it is.
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But now.... get in where you fit in, if i see your hurt you best be kiting and kiting flawlessly because as soon as you slip your dead.
The funny thing is, even though you seem like one of the whiners that got the changes made in the first place, you're probably still bad..------Macskull on Crop_of_shaolin
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The only way stalkers are going to get kills is by "KSing" as you put it, since stalkers don't have the dmg they used to it's damn near impossible to get a solo kill on somebody who knows what they're doing.
So you basically are gonna just keep crying bout KS'ing and people are gonna keep saying QQ more bout stalkers. Sounds like a vicious cycle...can we stop beating this horse now?
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So if Stalkers are so weak now and can only get kills by leaching off of others as you say, why not play something other than a Stalker? Wouldn't a Dom or Corr be more effective?
The problem is that some people don't actually know how to PvP and Stalkers give them the best of all options. They get to stroke their egos and get PvP recipe drops and all they have to do is follow around somebody that is better than them. Yeah, I can see why some people would like Stalkers.
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Tell the devs to unimpeded stalkers and pull back the nerfs so they can solo again and alot of the ks'ng jackel like kills will stop. Back in i12 i used frown upon ksing because a competent stalker could beat down 95% of the zone AT's solo and in short order.
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Here's a crazy thought: If you can't get kills any more solo, get a team. Instead of KSing other people, team up and use teamwork to take down targets you can't solo anymore. You know Stalkers work better in a team than they ever could solo, right? Why is this so hard for villians to understand?
Teamwork>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>> solo.
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The only way stalkers are going to get kills is by "KSing" as you put it, since stalkers don't have the dmg they used to it's damn near impossible to get a solo kill on somebody who knows what they're doing.
So you basically are gonna just keep crying bout KS'ing and people are gonna keep saying QQ more bout stalkers. Sounds like a vicious cycle...can we stop beating this horse now?
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So if Stalkers are so weak now and can only get kills by leaching off of others as you say, why not play something other than a Stalker? Wouldn't a Dom or Corr be more effective?
[/ QUOTE ]Because everyone doesn't like being herded into directions, people actually use to use pb's in i12 knowing they were not the rave, dark scrappers, claws, nrg blasters, the list goes on. The devs have already took most of our freedom of at away with these nerfs and Dr.
Example, i have 3 doms fully IO'd billions in each i had from my ladder days with Freaks. Do you know i haven't used any since i13 beta? Sure doms are strong now damage wise, but they lost their flavor for me when mez resist came into play, so now they are IO holders if i decide to run more rupters or something.
But another thing, we all don't solo exclusively but it is nice to have a choice which we don't really have now thanks to castle. I mostly duo with stalkers i trust to be effective and it's only a few. Big teams aren't as effective for me unless we on vent, typing is to slow of a communication method to truly be effective as i like to be.
The funny thing is, even though you seem like one of the whiners that got the changes made in the first place, you're probably still bad..------Macskull on Crop_of_shaolin
http://ravens-wins.mybrute.com
Why would I play something else if I like stalking? I roll and play whatever the hell I want why should I change my playstyle to fit into your own Moral Code?
Why should I care if I "KS" you and get a drop out of it? I'm not KSing you to get a drop but I do like getting kills and a byproduct of that is getting a drop. I've been pvping since wayyyyy before drops were put in so I'm not motivated by that obviously.
I don't like teaming with randoms in Zone. I have binds set up for target calling and other things to eliminate a lot of time chatting, but most random zone people don't give two [censored] about strategy and just wanna click powers till something dies.
So I solo, cause I don't need a team...I'll see the low HP target that's off on his own and take him out. Or I'll see a blaster fighting a dom and go AS him while he unloads an attack chain while rooted...The dom can get as mad as he wants but I came to the zone to fight people. Not watch fights. Not be forced to team either.
If you're so deadset that people should earn their own kills and not be KS'd then take your silly [censored] to the arena where no scary stalkers can KS you. Otherwise quit crying and realize that we don't care about your Moral Dilemma.
We're all just dirty KS'ers anyway.
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Tell the devs to unimpeded stalkers and pull back the nerfs so they can solo again and alot of the ks'ng jackel like kills will stop. Back in i12 i used frown upon ksing because a competent stalker could beat down 95% of the zone AT's solo and in short order.
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Make KS'ing easier and the KS'ing will stop. Once again, Raven's logic is undeniable.
Undeniably wrong and idiotic.
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Do a /search and see that none of them are teamed. Big surprise. Ask them if they want to team and get laughed at. I actually had one Stalker tell me that my Thermal Corr would just slow him down.
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I'll agree, one of the Red-Side's most foolish problems is the TOTAL and OBVIOUS lack of even SIMPLE TEAMING. I mean, it's REALLY quite annoying sometimes. This is why the mere "second" a bunch of Heroes decide to form up even a half decent team, Villains get completely squashed...and then REPEATEDLY get squashed over and over and over again until it finally gets through their thick skulls that their ONLY chance is to form a team....that or until the Heroes get bored of base camping a bunch of idiots and log 
Unfortunately, this is sorta how CoV has "nurtured" it's players...with "solo" oriented minds. CoV AT's are, in many ways, ALOT more solo friendly than CoH AT's, and this encourages villain players who enter PvP zones to choose the "solo" route there as well, and rely ONLY upon themselves...unfortunately, they miss out on the true power of a solid team.
But, it's definately something that doesn't "have" to be this way, villains just need to get smarter in general...
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Total agreement. I'll just add that i13 only compounded the "solo" mentality for most players by eliminating buffing, elimnating mez effects, and by giving everyone higher effective hp through free res and/or free debuff protection.
Just like in pve where some crappy defender complained they couldn't solo and changes were made the same treatment was done to pvp.
Pvp used to be entirely focused on teaming, now it is just a mess. Ya teaming is still better than solo, but not for the reasons it should be.
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Tell the devs to unimpeded stalkers and pull back the nerfs so they can solo again and alot of the ks'ng jackel like kills will stop. Back in i12 i used frown upon ksing because a competent stalker could beat down 95% of the zone AT's solo and in short order.
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Make KS'ing easier and the KS'ing will stop. Once again, Raven's logic is undeniable.
Undeniably wrong and idiotic.
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Tell the devs to unimpeded stalkers and pull back the nerfs so they can solo again and alot of the ks'ng jackel like kills will stop. Back in i12 i used frown upon ksing because a competent stalker could beat down 95% of the zone AT's solo and in short order.
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Make KS'ing easier and the KS'ing will stop. Once again, Raven's logic is undeniable.
Undeniably wrong and idiotic.
[/ QUOTE ]I was being sarcastic num nut, you don't have a say in current pvp as you freely admited you don't do it. Get my name out your mouth, theirs no need for you to respond to anything i say, you don't have a clue and are admittedly out of touch. pvp more than feel free to comment, and stop pling your trolling.
Bottom line leave me the [censored] alone, i never seen someone that has so much to say about something, and the worst part is you don't even pvp anymore so your out of date.
The funny thing is, even though you seem like one of the whiners that got the changes made in the first place, you're probably still bad..------Macskull on Crop_of_shaolin
http://ravens-wins.mybrute.com
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Tell the devs to unimpeded stalkers and pull back the nerfs so they can solo again and alot of the ks'ng jackel like kills will stop. Back in i12 i used frown upon ksing because a competent stalker could beat down 95% of the zone AT's solo and in short order.
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Here's a crazy thought: If you can't get kills any more solo, get a team. Instead of KSing other people, team up and use teamwork to take down targets you can't solo anymore. You know Stalkers work better in a team than they ever could solo, right? Why is this so hard for villians to understand?
Teamwork>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>> solo.
[/ QUOTE ]Well, i was being sarcastic, i seem to have made it seem serious, perhaps i need to skill up my sarcasm skills, what seems so to me apparently isn't. But if they didn't want you to ks, they wouldn't let you do it. Just how they coded how you cant beat up non teammates if your confused, they would find a way to code where if a target is engaged, only his team (the original attacker)can attack until the target is disengaged. Ffxi has a simular system when fighting mobs where they are open, but become unavailable if engaged and only the original attackers team can join in, unless they disengage or are defeated. So the coding probably exist and since they didn't use it, oh well. And stop being as silly as to imply ksing is limited to stalkers, everyone does it get real. If you say that if you see a target on the run with low health, and your on your dom. And he flashes past you you won't kill him, instead you'll wait to see who's he's running from, i'd suggest that you are lieng, and just hate stalkers because they steal your kills.
Also doms and rupters can ks from the safety of range, or from high above, blasters and pb's do it all the time. Bottom line, as long as it's possible, ppl will do it, so theres no point in crying about it. And i'm not justifieng it, i just acknowledge it exist and deal with it.
The funny thing is, even though you seem like one of the whiners that got the changes made in the first place, you're probably still bad..------Macskull on Crop_of_shaolin
http://ravens-wins.mybrute.com
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Tell the devs to unimpeded stalkers and pull back the nerfs so they can solo again and alot of the ks'ng jackel like kills will stop. Back in i12 i used frown upon ksing because a competent stalker could beat down 95% of the zone AT's solo and in short order.
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Make KS'ing easier and the KS'ing will stop. Once again, Raven's logic is undeniable.
Undeniably wrong and idiotic.
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[/ QUOTE ]Lol is this mr nrg blaster, er get farmed nrg blaster? lol you of all ppl should love the fact you can ks, after seeing you in action, that day you were farmed. You shouldnt have changed your name to galactor or w/e, you should have been need practice or maybe new build needed or something lol. Good to see you though, you bring back some laughs we shared when people described how they ripped you.
Edit: People actually came to the forums to coordinate times to get together and farm you more, see i agree teaming is fun.
The funny thing is, even though you seem like one of the whiners that got the changes made in the first place, you're probably still bad..------Macskull on Crop_of_shaolin
http://ravens-wins.mybrute.com
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Make KS'ing easier and the KS'ing will stop. Once again, Raven's logic is undeniable.
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Hilarious Ravens. If you don't want people to criticize what you post, don't be such a maroon.
Based on your posts, I just assume English is not your first language, so I do actually cut you some slack. Regardless of your native language, you should realize that sarcasm doesn't always come across the way you intend it to when you're writing. You post time and again about nerfs to stalkers, and readers could quite logically conclude that you think the nerfs should be rolled-back. You certainly appeared to be (once again) using an extremely faulty assumption to support a ridiculous argument of yours, which has basically become your M.O.
I WILL make you a deal. Never respond to my posts, and never post in the pvp forums, and I will never comment on any of your posts.
I DO pvp currently. Apparently not enough to make some people happy (though, admittedly I have no idea why people care how much I play. I certainly don't care how much anyone else plays).
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[/ QUOTE ]Damn it works also i'll add this note i left out, if you actually pvp'd you know it is far easier to ks now than back in i12, do to the shear fact of all the suppression and, zone lag, more rooting from ppl building for damage therefore taking powers they ordinarily wouldn't, also not as easy to just click something and escape.
And it's not a point of if you agree with me or not, as i value your opinion as much as you do mine, which is 0, notice how i posted after the other guys post who hopped on my comment? i didn't say anything except admitting i may have said my comment wrong. He seems to pvp, and his conclusions warrant attention. You..yours don't and to me you just don't get it, and frankly i don't care if you ever do, hell it's not like your going to beat my toons in the zone or something, you'd have to actually pvp to do that. Your like a washed up old boxer still giving advice on how he beat ALI, ali as is retired as pvp is when you knew what you were talking about like 3 issues ago I'd imagine. A theory crafter like yourself waste time trying to prove your point, with quirky jest and snark remarks, your a better forum pvp'r than me no doubt. But i actually pvp, in game, and if your so right come to rv, when ever you like and beat some knowledge into my toons like galactor tried and that other dude i farmed on, solo i might add.
Enough talk as your ignored, come to freedoms rv I'm always their, and beat it in me if you can. Other than that, I'll farm my post count just quoting the ignore when you respond to this, which i know you will.
But how about you worry less about what ravens has to say and try and add to a thread if you can,(which i highly doubt). So I'll grant ravens being 100% wrong just for you, that being the case just ignore me like i just did you, and you don't have to see my, jargon. Here ends the lesson.
Oh wait a side note, I'll go hero side if need be, i have been playing with my cors lately, but for you, I'll dust off a blaster, or one of my fenders. This forum pvp is not as satisfiying.
The funny thing is, even though you seem like one of the whiners that got the changes made in the first place, you're probably still bad..------Macskull on Crop_of_shaolin
http://ravens-wins.mybrute.com
Hilarious.
Based on his posts, I'm not at all surprised that Ravens is the type of person who can't stand losing, even when it comes to forum pvp. Maybe if he could accept defeat without crying and getting all red-faced he'd play something other than a stalker more often.
PvP is not rocket science. You don't need to do it 8 hours a day 7 days a week to have an educated opinion on various aspects of zone pvp.
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The funny thing is, even though you seem like one of the whiners that got the changes made in the first place, you're probably still bad..------Macskull on Crop_of_shaolin
http://ravens-wins.mybrute.com
Show me some chat logs of you killing a bunch of RolePlayers with your defender while they are chatting amongst themselves. I'll be really impressed and accept that as definitive proof that you're some sort of pvp genius.
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The funny thing is, even though you seem like one of the whiners that got the changes made in the first place, you're probably still bad..------Macskull on Crop_of_shaolin
http://ravens-wins.mybrute.com
Yea we got it the first time, callate ya.
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If you're so deadset that people should earn their own kills and not be KS'd then take your silly [censored] to the arena where no scary stalkers can KS you. Otherwise quit crying and realize that we don't care about your Moral Dilemma.
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I actually do take it to arena every chance I get, which unfortunately isn't often these days. And this has nothing to do with any moral dilema. It has to do with what is good for PvP as a whole. Teaming=good. Solo=bad. It's that simple. It's because of the anti-teaming Dbag gonnadomyownthing attitude that you have mastered that PvP has become the crapfest we know today. Thanks.
But honestly, I'm glad there are so many skilless bottom feeders like you playing Stalkers. I really am. If more people played Stalkers with actual skill the devs would nerf them into complete uselessness the way they did Widows. So you just keep going out there fighting the bad fight and being bad, baddo.
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If more people played Stalkers with actual skill the devs would nerf them into complete uselessness the way they did Widows.
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You know...as crazy as that sounds, it's probably true. If all stalkers were good players, it would be a pretty different game. But that's a dream world.
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If you're so deadset that people should earn their own kills and not be KS'd then take your silly [censored] to the arena where no scary stalkers can KS you. Otherwise quit crying and realize that we don't care about your Moral Dilemma.
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I actually do take it to arena every chance I get, which unfortunately isn't often these days. And this has nothing to do with any moral dilema. It has to do with what is good for PvP as a whole. Teaming=good. Solo=bad. It's that simple. It's because of the anti-teaming Dbag gonnadomyownthing attitude that you have mastered that PvP has become the crapfest we know today. Thanks.
But honestly, I'm glad there are so many skilless bottom feeders like you playing Stalkers. I really am. If more people played Stalkers with actual skill the devs would nerf them into complete uselessness the way they did Widows. So you just keep going out there fighting the bad fight and being bad, baddo.
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Just one thing to say:
KS'ing is a part of this game. Get over it and get over yourself. Not just Stalkers KS. Doms, Blasters, Scrappers, Tanks, Corruptor's, and just about everyone else, KS'es at some point.
So again, get over it and get over yourself.
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RIP PX, GMW, and the game that used to be fun.
Still playing for reasons unknown.
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But honestly, I'm glad there are so many skilless bottom feeders like you playing Stalkers. I really am. If more people played Stalkers with actual skill the devs would nerf them into complete uselessness the way they did Widows. So you just keep going out there fighting the bad fight and being bad, baddo.
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It's funny you call me skilless seeing as you have no idea of who I am, but that's beside the point. I team with people I know an I'm acutely aware of how effective teaming is. I've started for both sides of the ladder, (Therming, Stalking, Widow, Rad/Psi) so yea I guess I have no clue about teamwork or anything.
Keep crying about getting KS'd; I'll be PvPing.
I don't mind KSers unless they become braggart KSers. For sure they may have done the last few percentage points of damage, but the ones that act like they made the kill happen irk me.
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It doesn't in anyway change the fact that 95% of Stalkers in zones will wait for their target to be low enough on HP to be able to drop them in one attack, even if that target did happen to have a few more than 10 HP before the attack. If that target is already engaged with somebody that is not on that Stalkers team, then yes it is KSing. I know far too many Stalkers that have made a whole career of feeding off of the scraps of others. Whether or not KSing is a bad thing is a completely different discussion, but don't try to call it anything other than what it is.
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So from what I get your proposing some sort of chivalry amongst the Zone PvPers? As in the stalker should "Respect" your fight with the other dude and not attack him until he kills you or you kill him. Sounds like a bigger version of Fight Club.
KSingStalker has defeated Nubhero
i15FotmDom: ZOMG you KS'd me!
KSingStalker: No I didn't.
i15FotmDom: YES YOU DID!!! You should find your own targets!!! /invite KSingStalker
KSingStalker has declined your invite
i15FotmDom: WHY DON'T YOU WANNA TEAM!!?!!?
KSingStalker: Don't want to mess up my rep/drops.
KSingStalker has defeated NubHeroe's Emp
i15FotmDom: ZOMG You KS'd me again!!! You effing **wah wah wah wah wah wah**
KSingStalker: Woot Gladiators!!! Thanks for the PvP recipe Mr. Dom.
i15FotmDom: ZOMG I HOPE THEY NERF STALKERS YOU STUPID KSING NUB!!! FIND YOUR OWN TARGETS!!!!
The only way stalkers are going to get kills is by "KSing" as you put it, since stalkers don't have the dmg they used to it's damn near impossible to get a solo kill on somebody who knows what they're doing.
So you basically are gonna just keep crying bout KS'ing and people are gonna keep saying QQ more bout stalkers. Sounds like a vicious cycle...can we stop beating this horse now?