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Just playing the game to fifty does NOT guarentee you millions of inf. I have 2 50s (blueside) and neither has more than 50M inf.
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Just to make sure I'm clear, if 50 isn't enough, how many millions of influence do you need to qualify as having millions of inf?
- Ping (@iltat, @Pinghole)
Don't take it personally if you think I was mean to you. I'm an ******* to everyone.
It's a penguin thing. Pingu FTW.
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Just playing the game to fifty does NOT guarentee you millions of inf.
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I have 2 50s (blueside) and neither has more than 50M inf. I have one lower level (40 if memory serves, also blueside) who has over 70M.
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Oh wait, did you mean to say HUNDREDS of millions of inf?
Because yeah, that takes either a little effort or a little luck.
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Outside of marketeering luck has a HUGE impact on how much inf you have when you make it to fifty and beyond.
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It can have a huge impact for the good.
But not even 'bad' luck will prevent you from making a fat stack if you put forth even the slightest effort.
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Using the 'last 5' to price items on the market WILL hose a 'casual player'. I've items that I priced about 10% below the lowest of the last 5 showing at the time I listed them. Months ago. Still on the market. And the current last 5 shows prices about 10% of what I listed them for.
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Just think, if you'd listed it for 1 you'd have sold it, freed up that slot and likely turned a tidy profit in the bargain.
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the market is the best friend the 'casual' player has.
greedy players who want a premium can end up with some leftover junk (of course, they'll also sell a lot of stuff).
But even for those folk, it's a huge upgrade over the old days.
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Your personal observations don't sync with mine. My characters have never been richer. I've played long enough to remember how difficult it was for the average player to just buy their first set of SOs. My first level 50, played with at least a few DOs well into her late 20s, and that was fairly common.
Every character I have now can afford a full set of DOs at 12, a full set of SOs at 22 and upgrade to new SOs every 5 levels. However, I don't even bother with SOs anymore because I usually slot level 25 IOs at 22 and never look back, only replacing them when I get sets.
How can the average, casual player complain about being poor?!? 
The game, even without the market, is literally awash with money. One rare salvage drop can easily yield you 1M, which is plenty for your first two sets of SOs. An average player will get multiples (dozens?) of rare drops in the course of getting to 50.
I know of a player who still prefer slotting SOs, and won't get IOs except for the -kb IOs. He sells every recipe he gets for 100 inf, never bothering to craft or optimize on price. Every character he plays has more influence/infamy than he ever needs.
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They did a study and asked people whether they'd rather make $80,000 a year (if everyone else made $100K) or $60,000 a year (if everyone else made $50K). Assume that prices do not change.
A lot of people picked $60K a year. How rich you feel depends on how rich the person next to you is. Or technically, how rich the person next to you looks.
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That was a great study and there have been many many other like it since the mid 60's. Some were even taped, which when viewed reallly provides more insight into humans because of the additional factor of body language which can be readily seen.
I always found it really strange in humans that many are more concerned about what other people get/have than they are about what they get/have. They have total control over themselves, but they want to be/feel above others and certainly control them even if they never actually can the desire to do so remains. Very interest fact that trickles down into most human interactions. 
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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Just playing the game to fifty does NOT guarentee you millions of inf. I have 2 50s (blueside) and neither has more than 50M inf.
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Just to make sure I'm clear, if 50 isn't enough, how many millions of influence do you need to qualify as having millions of inf?
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Pithy humor, gotta love it.
Unleth it pitheth you off, I gueth. 
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Prices wouldn't change regardless of whether the entire population earned $80k vs. $50k? I call shenanigans.
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Prices wouldn't change regardless of whether the entire population earned $80k vs. $50k? I call shenanigans.
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Prices wouldn't change regardless of whether the entire population earned $80k vs. $50k? I call shenanigans.
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Our shenanigans are cheeky and fun. His shenanigans are tragic and cruel...making them not shenanigans at all, really.
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I will pistol whip the next person who says shenanigans!
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Prices wouldn't change regardless of whether the entire population earned $80k vs. $50k? I call shenanigans.
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Our shenanigans are cheeky and fun. His shenanigans are tragic and cruel...making them not shenanigans at all, really.
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I will pistol whip the next person who says shenanigans!
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Hey, Farva! What's the name of that restaurant you like? The one with all the [censored] on the walls?
- Ping (@iltat, @Pinghole)
Don't take it personally if you think I was mean to you. I'm an ******* to everyone.
It's a penguin thing. Pingu FTW.
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Prices wouldn't change regardless of whether the entire population earned $80k vs. $50k? I call shenanigans.
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I suspect the actual study was just poorly represented. Of course that would change prices. So the numbers themselves are meaningless. All that matters for purchasing power and thus the distribution of goods are the ratios. In other words, I am indeed richer with the $60K per year (20% better off than everyone else) than the $80K per year (20% worse off than everyone else).
Mind you, people DO measure wealth in a very relative sense. I suppose I do too, but at the same time, I'm quite aware of how GREAT my life is compared to, say, a KING a few hundred years ago. My health and life expectancy are much better. My house, while modest in size, is air conditioned. It features several magical screens that bring me entertainments and knowledge undreamed of hundreds of years ago.
For that matter, I'm probably as well off in absolute terms as millionaires from thirty years ago my Miata keeps pace with old Ferraris, my house is no mansion, but I'd happily trade all that space to keep the computer on my desk and my Internet access, the skies aren't filled with smog, Tivo and Netflix bring me entertainment on demand, my home theater is better than an old movie theater, and I am seriously living a life of luxury.
So yeah, much as I'd prefer to be a multi-millionaire in today's terms, I know that I have it good. I think people might be less unhappy if they could think more in absolute rather than relative terms in that regard, or at least be more global in their evaluation of relative wealth. But human nature is what it is. Our wealth is only measured by those who seem near enough to compare ourselves to.
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Yeah, pretty much it does where "millions" = "a quantity of millions in excess of 1 such million."
3 50s, all done before I9 came out, and played in SG mode most of their existence:
mind/FF troller - about 2 million upon hitting 50
stone/axe tank - about 8 million
fire/fire tank - about 12 mil free and clear, then worked up to 21 mil in anticipation of the market hitting.
All quantities that equal millions.
As a comparison, though, I had a fire/rad that I started after I9 hit (one Etruscan Snood). As the Penny Ante Operator of the market forum, I took it upon myself to do some heavy lifting in DA during my 20s and start mini-marketing on the way. By the time I was in the late 20s, I was well on the way toward Field Crafter, achieved it by 36 with about 40 mil in tow, and outfitted the above 50s with most of their IOs.
And if the Penny Ante Operator of the forum can do it, well, in the words of Martin Yan, "If Yan can cook, so can you."
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I suspect the actual study was just poorly represented. Of course that would change prices. So the numbers themselves are meaningless. All that matters for purchasing power and thus the distribution of goods are the ratios. In other words, I am indeed richer with the $60K per year (20% better off than everyone else) than the $80K per year (20% worse off than everyone else).
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I spent some time in England and my perception was that people there made less, paid more taxes, and goods cost more, with some exceptions (good, cheap beer in pubs. . . I don't drink beer ) than the US.
So we're not just talking about "the new zorkmid is worth 1.6 old zorkmids and you get a 50% raise". There are, potentially, real different economic situations.
Now if we take "engineers in college" as an example of the low end and "engineers in their first job out of school" as the high end... having an 8-year-old car when nobody else had a car at all = social status. Having an 8-year-old car when everyone else has 4-year-old cars means you're not the go-to guy on Saturday night. (People still want your help moving, though.)
A studio apartment with no roommate and a bottle of vodka in the freezer is suddenly not worth mentioning.
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So you think you're a hero, huh.
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Prices wouldn't change regardless of whether the entire population earned $80k vs. $50k? I call shenanigans.
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Our shenanigans are cheeky and fun. His shenanigans are tragic and cruel...making them not shenanigans at all, really.
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I will pistol whip the next person who says shenanigans!
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Shenanigans!
Duel me.
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Man the amount of living I would have missed out on if this was true. I get your market point, just saying it doesn't really convey to real life well. Also being the guy to call during moving time is about as much social status as one could ever want.
Duel me.
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Just playing the game to fifty does NOT guarentee you millions of inf.
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Regardless if this statement is true or not, why should leveling a toon to 50 entitle you to millions of inf?
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I spent some time in England and my perception was that people there made less, paid more taxes, and goods cost more, with some exceptions (good, cheap beer in pubs. . . I don't drink beer ) than the US.
So we're not just talking about "the new zorkmid is worth 1.6 old zorkmids and you get a 50% raise". There are, potentially, real different economic situations.
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Some things are more expensive,, other cheaper. Certainly when I moved over to the US 6 years ago I was amazed at how cheap day to day expenses were, though car insurance for one is very much more expensive over here, mostly due to the medical costs coverages included.
Different but similar economies.
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Just playing the game to fifty does NOT guarentee you millions of inf.
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Regardless if this statement is true or not, why should leveling a toon to 50 entitle you to millions of inf?
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If in the bad old days you would be able to do so (vending SOs to the correct stores, and not to that bozo Golden Falcon (especially if you ran in SG mode), and after level 47 there wasn't much left to purchase), then in the good new days all the more so: You still get SO drops, and generic recipes in the upper levels are worth a pretty penny in their own right. Add to that the change in earning while in SG mode, you'd have to be trying your darndest not to earn millions.
We also tested it: a 50 can make at least a million an hour (though my mind troller mentioned earlier topped out at 800K from defeats and SOs no matter what scenario I ran; it wasn't enough to tip the average below 1 mil in all the scores reported. However, including IO drop sales on average would get him over that last 200K easily).
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And that million per hour was vendor rates. Especially with high level common salvage going for significantly above vendor rates, that figure is low balling the current expectations
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An Etruscan Snood will nevermore be free
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Prices wouldn't change regardless of whether the entire population earned $80k vs. $50k? I call shenanigans.
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Our shenanigans are cheeky and fun. His shenanigans are tragic and cruel...making them not shenanigans at all, really.
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I will pistol whip the next person who says shenanigans!
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Shenanigans!
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/e pistol whip
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hopefully part of Going Rogue. =P
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My City Was Gone
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So, not only do all of your examples have "millions", they, in fact, have TENS of millions.
When you can do a cut-rate IO job on a toon for around 5 million and actually get decent set bonuses for under 30 million, 50 million is decent cash.
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Just thought I'd comment on a couple things...
Just playing the game to fifty does NOT guarentee you millions of inf. I have 2 50s (blueside) and neither has more than 50M inf. I have one lower level (40 if memory serves, also blueside) who has over 70M. The difference? A dropped respec recipie.
Outside of marketeering luck has a HUGE impact on how much inf you have when you make it to fifty and beyond.
Using the 'last 5' to price items on the market WILL hose a 'casual player'. I've items that I priced about 10% below the lowest of the last 5 showing at the time I listed them. Months ago. Still on the market. And the current last 5 shows prices about 10% of what I listed them for.
The market is not always the casual player's friend.
Neither of these really affect me much one way or the other as I'm not obssesed with IO sets, I just slot common IOs and press usually. And in my humble opinion, I'm not truely a casual player, I read the forums. A true casual player doesn't, doesn't have MIDS and wonders why he's broke all the way thru his 20s. I do use mids and know why I'm broke all the way thru my 20s (unless I transfer inf from one of my 50s).
Not sure why, but I just wanted to throw that out there.