It'll all the knockdown powers in game, and a lot of the knockback ones. -8 mag protection will protect you from the vast majority in the game, although a few things will still knock you back (Nemesis Staff, and a few other rarer powers)
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Quick question: Playing a Dark Armor character implies no boxed-in KB protection, which leads to acrobatics as being best and easiest solution.
However, I was fortunate enough to get a Steadfast protection IO for KB protection tonight. The description says it's a "-4" protection. I'm assuming this means mag 4 resist?
How well will that perform? Will I still need acrobatics?
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[/ QUOTE ] Since you're playing a melee character I think you should get one more KB IO so you have mag 8 protection. You can pick up a level 30 steadfast protection for less than two million influence if you show a little patience.
For 99% of the game mag 4 will cover you. In the part that it doesn't cover mag 8 usually doesn't cover either. Nem staff and gale will blow right through mag 8 as if it wasn't there. So will Hamidon. Hamidon requires at least mag -13 to prevent being knocked down.
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You can also stick with the mag 4 for most of your encounters, and use an empowerment station if you anticipate needing a bit more. (mag 10 from the empowerment station)
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Can't multiple KB attacks landing at once add together for a higher mag KB? If so, as a melee character I think mag 8 is the what he wants.
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It depends. For a scrapper, I'd say it's plenty. For a tank, where knockback at a bad time could get other people killed, you might want more.
Having said that, I bought TWO for my fire/fire brute and slotted one to see how it was. I ended up selling the other one and never regretted it.
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Also, since the lvl of the IO makes almost no difference, shop through those available to find a good deal. I think mine were some rather odd levels (i.e. not 50 or 35 as is typical), IIRC.
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No. The KB Protection IOs are Globals. They will turn off if you exemplar more than three levels under the level of the IO.
There are three KB Protection Global IOs:
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Steadfast_Protection (Resistance)
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Karma (Defense)
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Blessing_of_the_Zephyr (Travel)
And there's one IO set that grants Mag 3 KB protection as part of the bonus from the set:
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Kinetic_Crash (Knockback powers, only takes four from the set)
See also: http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Table_of_Special_IOs
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I would say that -4 works for about 95% of the game and -8 works for about 99%. Sort of depends on what you intend to fight.
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With only one KB IO, you'll still get knocked around a bit, but it will be an uncommon occurrence. For regular enemies, I think it's limited to basically Fake Nemesis (who will also hit through the mag 8 of two IOs), and Storm Summoning Longbow bosses, which I think will stop with 2. (Note that while Storm Longbow can knock you over with Gale, Air Thorn Casters can't... they've got a weaker version of Gale)
Of course, there's also custom critters, I think a few AV/GMs, and Rikti Dropships. (Of course, Rikti Dropships can knock you around even if you've got strong mez protection)
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Can't multiple KB attacks landing at once add together for a higher mag KB?
[/ QUOTE ]Yes, but they'd have to hit in the sam server tick, which is extremely unlikely.
With only one KB IO, you'll still get knocked around a bit, but it will be an uncommon occurrence. For regular enemies, I think it's limited to basically Fake Nemesis (who will also hit through the mag 8 of two IOs), and Storm Summoning Longbow bosses, which I think will stop with 2. (Note that while Storm Longbow can knock you over with Gale, Air Thorn Casters can't... they've got a weaker version of Gale)
Of course, there's also custom critters, I think a few AV/GMs, and Rikti Dropships. (Of course, Rikti Dropships can knock you around even if you've got strong mez protection)
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Out of curiosity..what's the magnitude of the KB caused by a Rikti Mothership bomb exploding?
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Can't multiple KB attacks landing at once add together for a higher mag KB?
[/ QUOTE ]Yes, but they'd have to hit in the sam server tick, which is extremely unlikely.
With only one KB IO, you'll still get knocked around a bit, but it will be an uncommon occurrence. For regular enemies, I think it's limited to basically Fake Nemesis (who will also hit through the mag 8 of two IOs), and Storm Summoning Longbow bosses, which I think will stop with 2. (Note that while Storm Longbow can knock you over with Gale, Air Thorn Casters can't... they've got a weaker version of Gale)
Of course, there's also custom critters, I think a few AV/GMs, and Rikti Dropships. (Of course, Rikti Dropships can knock you around even if you've got strong mez protection)
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Cabal witches can KB you through mag 8 also. My fire tank has 3 steadfasts and Mary in the final couple waves can KD me.
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Can't multiple KB attacks landing at once add together for a higher mag KB?
[/ QUOTE ]Yes, but they'd have to hit in the sam server tick, which is extremely unlikely.
With only one KB IO, you'll still get knocked around a bit, but it will be an uncommon occurrence. For regular enemies, I think it's limited to basically Fake Nemesis (who will also hit through the mag 8 of two IOs), and Storm Summoning Longbow bosses, which I think will stop with 2. (Note that while Storm Longbow can knock you over with Gale, Air Thorn Casters can't... they've got a weaker version of Gale)
Of course, there's also custom critters, I think a few AV/GMs, and Rikti Dropships. (Of course, Rikti Dropships can knock you around even if you've got strong mez protection)
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Out of curiosity..what's the magnitude of the KB caused by a Rikti Mothership bomb exploding?
[/ QUOTE ]Judging from Red Tomax, the Dropships' bombs, the UXBs, and the explosions from the grates on the mothership are all mag 300, non-resistable.
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
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Also, since the lvl of the IO makes almost no difference, shop through those available to find a good deal. I think mine were some rather odd levels (i.e. not 50 or 35 as is typical), IIRC.
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No. The KB Protection IOs are Globals. They will turn off if you exemplar more than three levels under the level of the IO.
There are three KB Protection Global IOs:
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Steadfast_Protection (Resistance)
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Karma (Defense)
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Blessing_of_the_Zephyr (Travel)
And there's one IO set that grants Mag 3 KB protection as part of the bonus from the set:
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Kinetic_Crash (Knockback powers, only takes four from the set)
See also: http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Table_of_Special_IOs
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Some of the new PVP Set IOs also have Knockback protection as a Set Bonus. Off the top of my head I can't remember which Sets, but it's more than one.
However, the PVP Set IOs function much like the Purple Sets in that they continue to function and give their Set Bonuses even if you are more than 3 levels below what's stamped on the IOs themselves. So you could slot lv50s, exemplar down to lv10, and still have your set bonuses from them. Ogon_Dark and I have taken to calling them 'Mauve' Sets (as in "almost Purple").
Some of the "lower demand" Set-pieces have gotten fairly cheap recently too. You might find an ideal bargain if you look into it.
I'm casting my vote with some of the others in this thread that said that a single KB protection IO will suffice. It lets you ignore the vast majority of the KD/KB you'll encounter, such as allowing you to stand happily in Earthquake.
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Outside alpha strikes, it's unlikely, but a tank would do well to slot extras for those KB heavy alphas.
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Yeah, my Fire/SS Tanker running the base -KB empowerment (10 points of protection) was still getting tossed around a fair amount during the Citadel TF. Outside of Council missions (neither common nor uncommon in level 50 story arcs/TFs) I've yet to have any major issues with the 4 points of protection he's currently got.
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Can't multiple KB attacks landing at once add together for a higher mag KB?
[/ QUOTE ]Yes, but they'd have to hit in the sam server tick, which is extremely unlikely.
With only one KB IO, you'll still get knocked around a bit, but it will be an uncommon occurrence. For regular enemies, I think it's limited to basically Fake Nemesis (who will also hit through the mag 8 of two IOs), and Storm Summoning Longbow bosses, which I think will stop with 2. (Note that while Storm Longbow can knock you over with Gale, Air Thorn Casters can't... they've got a weaker version of Gale)
Of course, there's also custom critters, I think a few AV/GMs, and Rikti Dropships. (Of course, Rikti Dropships can knock you around even if you've got strong mez protection)
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Out of curiosity..what's the magnitude of the KB caused by a Rikti Mothership bomb exploding?
[/ QUOTE ]Judging from Red Tomax, the Dropships' bombs, the UXBs, and the explosions from the grates on the mothership are all mag 300, non-resistable.
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No wonder those ones in that RWZ mission sent me flying around the map.
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Personally, I have two -kb IOs on my /fire scrapper and feel like I get knocked around a lot. Having done tons of fake nemesis and some MA stuff may distort my opinion though. :: Thinks back to that AV w/ FF that made me feel like a ragdoll:: 
Force Bolt has a ridiculous magnitude of Knockback. It's one of the most fun powers to have, and most irritating to have used against you.
I have 12 pts on my tanks that don't have KB protection from their powers.
I have 8 points on the non tanks that spend their life in melee and don't have KB protection in their powers.
I have 4 points or 0 (depending on the slots I have on the toon) on the rest of my toons.
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Very nice answers, thank you!
So basically, by getting +8, I spend two slots but I save one power slot by not taking acrobatics AND I relieve my end bar of one annoying toggle.
Sounds too good to be true 
My fire tank has 2 KB IOs, and in addition to the afore mentioned items, Rikti Pylons and Jack in Irons can also knock me about. But very little else can.
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Quick question: Playing a Dark Armor character implies no boxed-in KB protection, which leads to acrobatics as being best and easiest solution.
However, I was fortunate enough to get a Steadfast protection IO for KB protection tonight. The description says it's a "-4" protection. I'm assuming this means mag 4 resist?
How well will that perform? Will I still need acrobatics?
Thanks!