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I thought KB IO's were unique? I know you use to me able to run multiple Steadfasts and Karma's, but I thought they changed that.
If I can stack Steadfast still I will be mighty PO'd after spending huge inf on a Zephr to go with my Karma and Steadfast for -12.
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Nope, definitely not unique. See Zombie_Man's links above.
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I thought KB IO's were unique? I know you use to me able to run multiple Steadfasts and Karma's, but I thought they changed that.
If I can stack Steadfast still I will be mighty PO'd after spending huge inf on a Zephr to go with my Karma and Steadfast for -12.
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Nope, definitely not unique. See Zombie_Man's links above.
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Bah!
Well I guess the one consolation of having Karma in CJ and Zephr in SS enables me to fully 6 slot most of my shields for +def set bonuses and not give up one slot for KB protection.
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Very nice answers, thank you!
So basically, by getting +8, I spend two slots but I save one power slot by not taking acrobatics AND I relieve my end bar of one annoying toggle.
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Or you can use the PVP recipies and get your knockback protection in slots you've already placed. The PBAoE set gives 3 pts of knock protection for 3 pieces of the Set. There's at least one other PVP set that gives knock protection.
The PVP sets that have 3 points of protection are all bonuses active in both PVE and PVP:
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Gladiator's Armor (3) (Damage Resist)
Gladiator's Javelin (5) (Ranged Damage)
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I thought KB IO's were unique? I know you use to me able to run multiple Steadfasts and Karma's, but I thought they changed that.
If I can stack Steadfast still I will be mighty PO'd after spending huge inf on a Zephr to go with my Karma and Steadfast for -12.
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Nope, definitely not unique. See Zombie_Man's links above.
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Part of the confusion was that when IO Sets were introduced people started calling all of the Special Single-Acting IOs 'Uniques' when, in fact, many of them were not 'Uniques' but could be multiple-slotted on the same toon. See the table of special IO linked above to see which are unique and which aren't (and which are Globals and which are Procs).
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I thought KB IO's were unique? I know you use to me able to run multiple Steadfasts and Karma's, but I thought they changed that.
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Not unique and there used to be a problem with slotting multiples, but it was fixed. If you have 4 powers that take resistance sets and 3 that take defense, you could slot 4 Steadfast and 3 Karma.
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I have 12 pts on my tanks that don't have KB protection from their powers.
I have 8 points on the non tanks that spend their life in melee and don't have KB protection in their powers.
I have 4 points or 0 (depending on the slots I have on the toon) on the rest of my toons.
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According to my records, the one character in my stable planned out with the highest amount of KB protection is Stellar Jay, my Plants/Energy Dominator of all people.
His plan shows ultimately 19 points of KB protection. 4 of those were intentional (the one Karma in Combat Jumping). The rest is just incidental due to his quest for perma or near-perma Dom. That is 5 complete sets of Kinetic Crash. Takes a full set of 6 to get the 7.5% global recharge bonus, and the first 4 slotted gives 3 points of KB protection.
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His plan shows ultimately 19 points of KB protection. 4 of those were intentional (the one Karma in Combat Jumping). The rest is just incidental due to his quest for perma or near-perma Dom. That is 5 complete sets of Kinetic Crash. Takes a full set of 6 to get the 7.5% global recharge bonus, and the first 4 slotted gives 3 points of KB protection.
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My Torrent does over 20 Mag cone KB.
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What's the most KB protection you can get?
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What's the most KB protection you can get?
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Practically speaking, in-set KB protection that melee characters get (except ElA) will prevent all KB except the Rikti bombs, because they have 10,000% KB resistance, and KB resistance operates the same as Damage resistance (10,000% KB resistance reduces KB to mag 0). The Rikti bombs, however, are non-resistable.
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Can't multiple KB attacks landing at once add together for a higher mag KB?
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Tank runs in.
30 Council Soldiers drop grenades at his feet.
Tank goes flying.
Outside alpha strikes, it's unlikely, but a tank would do well to slot extras for those KB heavy alphas.
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My WP/DB tank has +14 points of knockback protection, thanks to Indomitable Will and the Steadfast Protection IO.
I've noticed that sometimes it ticks up to +18 for some reason, but only for an instant.
I've pondered putting in more KB protection, but so far 14 points seems like it's enough. I really wish there were similar IOs for Disorient, Hold, Sleep, and Fear protection.
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I've noticed that sometimes it ticks up to +18 for some reason, but only for an instant.
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Can't multiple KB attacks landing at once add together for a higher mag KB?
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Tank runs in.
30 Council Soldiers drop grenades at his feet.
Tank goes flying.
Outside alpha strikes, it's unlikely, but a tank would do well to slot extras for those KB heavy alphas.
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My WP/DB tank has +14 points of knockback protection, thanks to Indomitable Will and the Steadfast Protection IO.
I've noticed that sometimes it ticks up to +18 for some reason, but only for an instant.
I've pondered putting in more KB protection, but so far 14 points seems like it's enough. I really wish there were similar IOs for Disorient, Hold, Sleep, and Fear protection.
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I'm curious as to why you wasted a slot for a Steadfast IO on your WP tank when you own in-set mez resist toggle reduces the magnitude of KB to 0 before it ever affects you (in-set KB protection has a KB resistance of 10,000%). The only things that could knock you back are things that use unresisted knockback, such as the Rikti bombs from invasion events.
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My WP/DB tank has +14 points of knockback protection, thanks to Indomitable Will and the Steadfast Protection IO.
I've noticed that sometimes it ticks up to +18 for some reason, but only for an instant.
I've pondered putting in more KB protection, but so far 14 points seems like it's enough. I really wish there were similar IOs for Disorient, Hold, Sleep, and Fear protection.
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I'm curious as to why you wasted a slot for a Steadfast IO on your WP tank when you own in-set mez resist toggle reduces the magnitude of KB to 0 before it ever affects you (in-set KB protection has a KB resistance of 10,000%). The only things that could knock you back are things that use unresisted knockback, such as the Rikti bombs from invasion events.
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I was wondering the same thing. Then I thought perhaps it was for exemping purposes. Then I further realized that with WP as a primary, IW is taken at 6, and I can't imagine anyone willingly exemping down that low. Sure, the Oro intro has you exemp down to 1 for the Outbreak mission, but that doesn't really count here.
If that SF went into Combat Jumping or Hover, that default slot would be better used with a Winter's Gift: Slow/-Recharge resist instead.
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[/ QUOTE ]Yes, but they'd have to hit in the sam server tick, which is extremely unlikely.
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Tank runs in.
30 Council Soldiers drop grenades at his feet.
Tank goes flying.
Outside alpha strikes, it's unlikely, but a tank would do well to slot extras for those KB heavy alphas.
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My WP/DB tank has +14 points of knockback protection, thanks to Indomitable Will and the Steadfast Protection IO.
I've noticed that sometimes it ticks up to +18 for some reason, but only for an instant.
I've pondered putting in more KB protection, but so far 14 points seems like it's enough. I really wish there were similar IOs for Disorient, Hold, Sleep, and Fear protection.
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I'm curious as to why you wasted a slot for a Steadfast IO on your WP tank when you own in-set mez resist toggle reduces the magnitude of KB to 0 before it ever affects you (in-set KB protection has a KB resistance of 10,000%). The only things that could knock you back are things that use unresisted knockback, such as the Rikti bombs from invasion events.
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I didn't slot in the set to get the KB protection, actually. I got it to inch my hitpoints and recovery rate up. I'm up to 3010 HP right now (and 4.10% recovery sans any outside buffs). I don't think I can push it much further; there's only a few accolade bonuses left for me to acquire that could push it higher. The +3% defense to all attacks is pretty good, too.
this may be just heresay, but someone once told me the highest knockback any enemy does in the game is a little over mag 16. That being said, my /dark armor toons all have -20 mag protection (It also helps to have additional recovery from the steadfast set, which is why I went ahead with extra kb protection).
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Tank runs in.
30 Council Soldiers drop grenades at his feet.
Tank goes flying.
Outside alpha strikes, it's unlikely, but a tank would do well to slot extras for those KB heavy alphas.
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My WP/DB tank has +14 points of knockback protection, thanks to Indomitable Will and the Steadfast Protection IO.
I've noticed that sometimes it ticks up to +18 for some reason, but only for an instant.
I've pondered putting in more KB protection, but so far 14 points seems like it's enough. I really wish there were similar IOs for Disorient, Hold, Sleep, and Fear protection.
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I'm curious as to why you wasted a slot for a Steadfast IO on your WP tank when you own in-set mez resist toggle reduces the magnitude of KB to 0 before it ever affects you (in-set KB protection has a KB resistance of 10,000%). The only things that could knock you back are things that use unresisted knockback, such as the Rikti bombs from invasion events.
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I didn't slot in the set to get the KB protection, actually. I got it to inch my hitpoints and recovery rate up. I'm up to 3010 HP right now (and 4.10% recovery sans any outside buffs). I don't think I can push it much further; there's only a few accolade bonuses left for me to acquire that could push it higher. The +3% defense to all attacks is pretty good, too.
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Ah, okay then. This makes much more sense.
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With only one KB IO, you'll still get knocked around a bit, but it will be an uncommon occurrence. For regular enemies, I think it's limited to basically Fake Nemesis (who will also hit through the mag 8 of two IOs), and Storm Summoning Longbow bosses, which I think will stop with 2. (Note that while Storm Longbow can knock you over with Gale, Air Thorn Casters can't... they've got a weaker version of Gale)
Of course, there's also custom critters, I think a few AV/GMs, and Rikti Dropships. (Of course, Rikti Dropships can knock you around even if you've got strong mez protection)
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Cabal witches can KB you through mag 8 also. My fire tank has 3 steadfasts and Mary in the final couple waves can KD me.
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I thought KB IO's were unique? I know you use to me able to run multiple Steadfasts and Karma's, but I thought they changed that.
If I can stack Steadfast still I will be mighty PO'd after spending huge inf on a Zephr to go with my Karma and Steadfast for -12.