While I use a few different HOs in most builds, I don't know if they need to go back to their original lvls of enhancement.
However, why they can't boost them up to give the enhancement value of a lvl 50 generic IO, I don't know :/
Might see them get more use again.
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While I use a few different HOs in most builds, I don't know if they need to go back to their original lvls of enhancement.
However, why they can't boost them up to give the enhancement value of a lvl 50 generic IO, I don't know :/
Might see them get more use again.
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They already offer more bang for your slot than anything else out there:
Level 50 single aspect IO = 42.4%
Level 50 double aspect IO = 26.5% x2
HO = 33% x2
Edit: I would support them not being reduced while exemplaring, though. I think that's fair for "raid loot".
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Then there's the tri-HOs, 33% x3! Granted, only a few powers can utilize all three aspects of the couple of tri-HOs, but still. :O
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Both ultra-rares and the PvP sets provide substantial basic boosts not subject to exemplaring. In addition, the invention sets provide sometimes incredible set bonuses.
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Just a correction here, the buff the individual enhancements in PVP and purple sets give IS affected by the normal exemplar scaling mechanism.
The set bonuses are not affected by the level of the IO.
Purples especially the single type (ie Apoc: damage) get hammered by being reduced to 41.5% (from 53%), when exemping to 45 or less, and subsequent sclaing being based on that number.
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I liked my idea about the Hami-Os giving you a power when you got enough of them. The post I made is gone, but the idea was that as you slotted them if would increase the effectiveness of the power, which would either be a team buff or an attack. The effectiveness of the power would be based on what HOs you had slotted, for example, an HO that enhanced Damage would increase the Damage of the attack and the Healing amount of the buff. Which one you got would depend on whether you had more damage/debuff or Healing/Buff HOs slotted. It was a cool idea.
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While I use a few different HOs in most builds, I don't know if they need to go back to their original lvls of enhancement.
However, why they can't boost them up to give the enhancement value of a lvl 50 generic IO, I don't know :/
Might see them get more use again.
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They already offer more bang for your slot than anything else out there:
Level 50 single aspect IO = 42.4%
Level 50 double aspect IO = 26.5% x2
HO = 33% x2
Edit: I would support them not being reduced while exemplaring, though. I think that's fair for "raid loot".
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Purples provide a similar enhancement with two attributes and they have the potential for amazing set bonuses, that (as Catwhoorg corrected me) you don't lose while exemplared.
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Not opposed to a buff to HOs/SHOs.
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How about each HO/SHO slotted gives you a 1% resistance to Hamidon's Electrolytic attacks?
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How about each HO/SHO slotted gives you a 1% resistance to Hamidon's Electrolytic attacks?
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Nothing ever came of it, but way back in like issue #4 of the comic, there was a cryptic statement from one of the devs (manticore i think), about HOs having some "effect" on players.
Im all for HO's returning to 50/50 status, or even 40/40 would be nice to give players a little incentive to taking them as a reward. Right now the only HO's im using are Centroles (1 in Fire Breath, +Range in cone's is huge) and Membranes (Fortitude.. cant beat 33/33/33 bonus woot). Everything else benefits less than 1% with ED over 26.5/26.5 IO and doesnt confer those higher set bonuses.
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I would rather keep them the way they are and be able to purchase them with merits and/or tickets even if it is only a random roll.
I would rather you be able to get them for completing the LGTF, after all you DO have to get past Hami (weak or not) more so than in the RSF/STF?? O.o
Add them as a reward for the LGTF please 
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I would rather you be able to get them for completing the LGTF, after all you DO have to get past Hami (weak or not) more so than in the RSF/STF?? O.o
Add them as a reward for the LGTF please
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I don't know...while on one hand I always like to see stuff buffed here and there, Hamis used to be way overpowered. I don't think I want to go back there.
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While I use a few different HOs in most builds, I don't know if they need to go back to their original lvls of enhancement.
However, why they can't boost them up to give the enhancement value of a lvl 50 generic IO, I don't know :/
Might see them get more use again.
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They already offer more bang for your slot than anything else out there:
Level 50 single aspect IO = 42.4%
Level 50 double aspect IO = 26.5% x2
HO = 33% x2
Edit: I would support them not being reduced while exemplaring, though. I think that's fair for "raid loot".
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Purples provide a similar enhancement with two attributes and they have the potential for amazing set bonuses, that (as Catwhoorg corrected me) you don't lose while exemplared.
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Purple recipes, however, are much harder to attain than HOs or SHOs.
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I would rather you be able to get them for completing the LGTF, after all you DO have to get past Hami (weak or not) more so than in the RSF/STF?? O.o
Add them as a reward for the LGTF please
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Who cares about story anyway? 
Personally, I'd like to see a buff to Titan-Os and Hydra-Os so they're even worth touching, namely work like IOs so they can be used by 50s.
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While I use a few different HOs in most builds, I don't know if they need to go back to their original lvls of enhancement.
However, why they can't boost them up to give the enhancement value of a lvl 50 generic IO, I don't know :/
Might see them get more use again.
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They already offer more bang for your slot than anything else out there:
Level 50 single aspect IO = 42.4%
Level 50 double aspect IO = 26.5% x2
HO = 33% x2
Edit: I would support them not being reduced while exemplaring, though. I think that's fair for "raid loot".
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And my thought was...HO = 42.4% x2
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Personally, I'd like to see a buff to Titan-Os and Hydra-Os so they're even worth touching, namely work like IOs so they can be used by 50s.
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I'm not sure about HO, but the Titan and Hydra ones can use some help.
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While I use a few different HOs in most builds, I don't know if they need to go back to their original lvls of enhancement.
However, why they can't boost them up to give the enhancement value of a lvl 50 generic IO, I don't know :/
Might see them get more use again.
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They already offer more bang for your slot than anything else out there:
Level 50 single aspect IO = 42.4%
Level 50 double aspect IO = 26.5% x2
HO = 33% x2
Edit: I would support them not being reduced while exemplaring, though. I think that's fair for "raid loot".
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Purples provide a similar enhancement with two attributes and they have the potential for amazing set bonuses, that (as Catwhoorg corrected me) you don't lose while exemplared.
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Purple recipes, however, are much harder to attain than HOs or SHOs.
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Not really. There is just no guaranteed way to get them. For a HO or SHO to be created one of THREE tasks must happen: Hami must die or a team must complete the STF or LRSF. That's it.
There a chance for a purple to come into being everytime a level 47+ mob goes down. It's small, but it's still substantially easier and it can be done completely solo.
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No thanks...not that I wouldn't like the bonus but you can storm STF/LRSF in 40-60 minutes. If Hamidon was the only way to get them, I'd say sure...but with STF/LRSF as well, not sure. :/
Like the buff idea, wary of STF/LRSF getting farmed for them.
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HO = Hamidon Origin Enhancers
SHO = Synthetic Hamidon Origin Enhancers
Both of these enhancer classes are intended to be end-game loot at least facially comparable to ultra-rare enhancers. My basis for saying that is that the devs treat HO/SHOs similar to ultra-rares in that they will not allow them to be purchased via random rolls with merits or tickets and they cannot be outright purchased with merits.
There is one other similarly situated class of enhancer: the PvP sets.
Both ultra-rares and the PvP sets provide substantial basic boosts not subject to exemplaring. In addition, the invention sets provide sometimes incredible set bonuses.
By contrast, HOs/SHOs provide even-level SOs boosts to two or three attributes. And such boosts are subject to exemplaring. This does not appear to be fair. Originally, HOs provided an enhancement value 150% of an even level SO (50% for Pool A, 30% for Pool B, etc.) HOs/SHOs were nerfed because even prior to ED, the devs thought that they gave too much of a boost for too little work.
The landscape has changed significantly. HOs/SHOs except in some very rare cases (Membranes) aren't generally worth the bother. ED won't allow HOs to take a character to the damage cap automatically. Other enhancers classes are vastly preferable in most cases.
Thus, I would suggest:
1) Returning HOs to 150% of the enhancement value of an even level SOs (and giving SHOs this treatment for the first time);
2) Not allowing HOs/SHOs enhancement bonus to be subject to exemplaring degredation.
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