maybe you should have worked harder on explaining it to them instead of telling us about basic gameplay concepts
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Perhaps, but I felt that 3 times, including an example of me actually gathering, should have been sufficient. After she said, "lol, I know what out of sight means", I figured it was a lost cause. Knowing and doing are vastly different things. For whatever reason, she would not do.
And I posted here precisely because some players apparantly have not yet learned certain "basic gameplay concepts".
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most of those unlearned players are not on the forums, though
but hey, maybe one guy will read this and be like, "oh, so that's how it works" and the game will be marginally better for everyone who knows that one guy and maybe all of them will be nicer people because of it and they'll spread the cheer that will eventually result in mutual understanding between people of all nations and creeds so maybe you've just catalyzed world peace
who am i to knock that
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If it was me and I came to this conclusion, I'd be standing way in the back. I'd contribute to the fight, cherry picking my targets, and I'd be ready to bolt.
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Do you mean SerialBeggar's or the seizure-inducing unicorn?
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If the scrapper wanted to play a herding tank he would have rolled a herding tank.
Learn to play a Defender and use your own smarts to stay alive. Maybe Aid Self with interupts in it? I have this on my blaster and do just fine without telling other people how to play their class.
I assume you were targeting thru her to migitate the aggro you'd draw to yourself?
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Perhaps, but I felt that 3 times, including an example of me actually gathering, should have been sufficient. After she said, "lol, I know what out of sight means", I figured it was a lost cause. Knowing and doing are vastly different things. For whatever reason, she would not do.
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I think it takes more time than that. Watching other people herd, and play a defender herself will give a more well-rounded understanding. Sometimes, there are conflicting information that can be confusing. Here, you talk about the advantage of herding. In some other places, people may hate herding. In addition, some people don't like to be taught how to play the game. The only way is to let them realize the thing slowly by themselves.
had a "good" build AND Taunt????
No scrapper takes taunt. Ever. Even the /Inv who make Granite look wimpy.
Shes a bad scrapper, and you should have spanked her
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Spank a female scrapper?
Whatever happened to flirting and first dates?
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but hey, maybe one guy will read this and be like, "oh, so that's how it works" and the game will be marginally better for everyone who knows that one guy and maybe all of them will be nicer people because of it and they'll spread the cheer that will eventually result in mutual understanding between people of all nations and creeds so maybe you've just catalyzed world peace
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How do you think I gathered? Go in, Irradiate the bunch, put up PFF, rush behind columnn to get them to come close, wait for scrapper to come near with her taunt aura, drop PFF, and continue the fight.
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If the scrapper wanted to play a herding tank he would have rolled a herding tank.
Learn to play a Defender and use your own smarts to stay alive. Maybe Aid Self with interupts in it? I have this on my blaster and do just fine without telling other people how to play their class.
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I eventually reached the conclusion that gathering was just not something she would do, so I dealt with it and adapted my playstyle to be less aggressive. (* kinda sad when the 3 out of 5 of my best direct damage attacks are AoEs...) I have Aid Other and Aid Self, both with interrupt reductions.
BTW, I avoid the word herding nowadays. I'll use it in reference to the real herding of oldendays, when a tank could herd virtually a whole map of foes into a large trash container. Since tbe aggro cap now prevents that, I use the term gathering instead for the one- or two-group pulls still possible while maintaining aggro.
[edit add]BTW2, some scrappers are by their nature gatherers, having a taunt aura. These include Invulnerability, Willpower, and Shields. Certain other scrappers have damage auras that do not function (for scrappers) as taunt auras, such as Fire and Dark. I don't consider these as natural gatherers -- it being significantly harder for them to hold aggro.[/edit]
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had a "good" build AND Taunt????
No scrapper takes taunt. Ever. Even the /Inv who make Granite look wimpy.
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Not Taunt, Confront. Single target ranged attack that always hits, costs no endurance, has a quick recharge, is slottable with range enhancments and/or a damage proc. Not all, but about half my scrappers eventually take it. What's not to like?
* Anyone not interested in the underlying underpinning of my defender's playstyle, skip to next post. Otherwise, form follows function:
Boson Boy, level 42 FF/Rad:
Personal Force Field
Neutrino Bolt
X Ray Beam
Deflection Shield
Irradiate (PBAoE)
Swift
Hover
Dispersion Bubble
Fly
Insulation Shield
Health
Stamina
Maneuvers
Tactics
Force Bolt
Aid Other
Aid Self
Detention Field
Repulsion Bomb (Targeted AoE)
Force Bubble
Thunder Strike (Cone Melee)
As you can see, not an offensive dynamo; he is most helpful to team being in center of action offering extra defense and his AoE damage. My goal in asking the scrapper to gather and utilize her taunt aura was to maximize both of our abilities. If that request is interpreted as "telling other people how to play their class", so be it.
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Watching other people herd, and play a defender
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Personally, I just eliminate the comma. That is to say, I herd* and play a Defender.
D3s ftw! 
*Actually, snare is a better term for what I do with my D3s...but I digress.
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It is my place to stand.
We few shall carry hope
Within our bloodied hands."
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had a "good" build AND Taunt????
No scrapper takes taunt. Ever. Even the /Inv who make Granite look wimpy.
Shes a bad scrapper, and you should have spanked her
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Few of my scrappers have Taunt, yes from the presence pool, so by your logic i must not know how to play scrappers. Thank you for telling me how to play oh Scrapper Overlord; I bow down to your infinite wisdom.
*Incase some do not get it last part was sarcasm. Have my reasons on what powers to get and do not feel the need to tell people they suck becuase I do not agree with thier build.
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How to Pull:
1) Stand next to team mates.
2) Push Team Teleport.
3) Click enemy pack.
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So, I just want to say: You ain't pulling or gathering if you don't get out of sight afterward. Having a bunch of foes shooting at you and teammates from a distance is, well, what a vacuum is doing.
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Agreed. It boggles my mind that so many players don't get this, but it's shockingly common.
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You're still wrong, Person with the same registration date as the first person who made that comment. I wonder how that could be a coincidence?
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You're still wrong, Person with the same registration date as the first person who made that comment. I wonder how that could be a coincidence?
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Wait - are you implying that Player (a/k/a Philotic Knight, the orginal FF Guru) and MunkiLord are somehow in kahoots just because they regged on the forums the same day?
LOL.
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You're still wrong, Person with the same registration date as the first person who made that comment. I wonder how that could be a coincidence?
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Wait - are you implying that Player (a/k/a Philotic Knight, the orginal FF Guru) and MunkiLord are somehow in kahoots just because they regged on the forums the same day?
LOL.
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Shes a bad scrapper, and you should have spanked her
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Spank a female scrapper?
Whatever happened to flirting and first dates?
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Nope nope. We will have none of that. It's much too perilous.
Save that for the yet to be unveiled Castle Anthrax Task Force.
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How to Pull:
1) Stand next to team mates.
2) Push Team Teleport.
3) Click enemy pack.
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Ah, takes me back to the days of TopDoc's Fire/Rad controller superteam.
Freedom: Blazing Larb, Fiery Fulcrum, Sardan Reborn, Arctic-Frenzy, Wasabi Sam, Mr Smashtastic.
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So, I just want to say: You ain't pulling or gathering if you don't get out of sight afterward. Having a bunch of foes shooting at you and teammates from a distance is, well, what a vacuum is doing.
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Agreed. It boggles my mind that so many players don't get this, but it's shockingly common.
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In fact I think it is the norm. The boggle-moment is when you see someone NOT running to meet the pulled NPC.
Kind explainations don't help, either.
Pulling:<ul type="square">[*]get foe mad[*]get out of sight[/list]Gathering is the same thing, but multiple foes. Sometimes pulling is used loosely to mean gathering, and sometimes one means to pull, but it works out as a gathering.
I'm writing this in frustration. My level 42 ff/rad defender just teamed with a 43 bs/inv scrapper, doing her mission with an invincible rep. She had what I consider a good build, with all her protective powers, including Invincibility.
She knew how to use Confront, and did try to keep foes off of me with it. But she didn't know, and seemed incapable of grasping, that Invincibility was a taunt aura. I asked her to go around a corner or behind a pillar after she got foes mad, but for whatever reason would not do so. If unstoppable was up, she'd aggro two groups. Needless to say I died a lot because a lot of the blasting robots would turn their attention on me.
So, I just want to say: You ain't pulling or gathering if you don't get out of sight afterward. Having a bunch of foes shooting at you and teammates from a distance is, well, what a vacuum is doing.
-- Rich
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* My Comics Collection