Ascension of Level 50 characters...

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It follows the same logical thought processes as saying, for instance, that stealing is bad. Now, people steal because they want money. And people want money because they want to raise families. Therefore, in order to end stealing, all children should be confiscated by the government.

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Or we could just take all the money from every person in the world, so there'll be nothing to steal, right? RIGHT?!? In the meantime, if you need a place to keep it all, I'd be more than happy to hold it for you.

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So, in that vein, I propose a threadjacking. Now that farming has gotten so out of hand that it must be stopped by any means possible (even ones that don't make sense), let's come up with further inane ways of preventing farming.

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We'll if people farm because they want stuff then if we give them everything they wouldn't farm so it logically follows the solution is to:

* Make everyone character level 50 on creation.
* Give them all badges and temp powers.
* Unlock all previously locked costume pieces.
* Make all enhancements available for purchase from any vendor for free.

Now everyones free to team with the OP, problem solved.

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From my perspective, the only way to play in a team format, is to have an existing group of people you team with (and that's become my only recourse, teaming with a group of real life friends).[\qoute]

this is the part that kills me. he whines saying he cant find teams but then coems out and says that he is stuck teaming with people on his global list or RL friends. i said it several times before and i'll say it again, this entire thread is about farming. take it to the appropriate thread Amish_whiner.

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Your posts are nothing if not second-rate.

If you're concerned about the thread being in the wrong location, I suggest you notify the mods instead of throwing around your childish insults.

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if you bother to read any of the posts i made, you would have seen that not only did i post relevant info to the op but i also asked him to answer any questions without using the word "farm". none of which he has done. don't try to bash people for stating the obvious, which you seem to do very well.

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if you bother to read any of the posts i made, you would have seen that not only did i post relevant info to the op but i also asked him to answer any questions without using the word "farm". none of which he has done. don't try to bash people for stating the obvious, which you seem to do very well.

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I admit it, you were right. This totally was an anti-farming thread in disguise. Good call, my bad, your-expression-of-choice-here.

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It seems like you and I agreed on the merit of this suggestion, as we have very similar initial posts.

However, you start to lose me with your second post where you say "if you can give me 100% proof that level 50's destroy the game, then I would consider your suggestion." If level 50's were somehow destroying the game, then obviously drastic changes along the lines of the OP's suggestion would have some merit (of course, that's fantasy land).

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you could offer me all the money in the world and i still would not give up my 50's.

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Were you talking REAL money when you said this? If so, I think your attachment to your characters may have reached a very unhealthy level, and you should consider other hobbies.

That being said, I took your suggestion and read your posts in this thread. Thank you for the good laugh!

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sorry i don't sugar coat things with rainbows and bunnies and pretty flowers. and this is just another whining/people must be "farming"/pl'ing because i can't find a team thread. there is no way the OP would be able to tell who is teamed with who just by looking at the team search window. he is making terrible assumptions. and then he tells us that he is stuck teaming with people on his global list or RL friends. *gasp* oh my, isn't that what we do when our friends are on? oh, and to answer PvPleasehelpme's question on why i didn't report it:

A: i figured someone else would before hand
B: this is much funnier and easier to follow for both the OP and us. :

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actaully i think the reply about all the money in the world came after the OP suggested real money. i'd have to check on that. but i was trying to make a point that nothing could get me to give up my 50's. i enjoy playing them. thats why i still have them. and yw for the laughs.

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This thread reminds me of just how much I love these forums...

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I've only read the first page here but I'm surprised at how many people don't like this idea. I, for one, like the idea.

To be honest, all my lvl 50 chars are just sitting there...doing nothing; well except for EI, he's "farming" the day job badges (and working on other badges ).

I think there should be like what you said, a "Hall of Heroes" (or Villains). This mission/arc has to be done alone and if you complete it, you get a statue made in the image of your char. that you completed it with (complete with bio/pics/whatever else is possible/wanted). I'd actually go as far as to say, if you failed the char. is deleted (or maybe at least 'banned'/couldn't login with it for x amount of time). And if you failed, maybe have a book/computer/something in the Hall of Heroes/Villains about the people who tried to do x mission/arc and failed. It would act like a warning I guess, a warning of, "the greatest glory is the hardest to achieve." type of thing.

Obviously this would be an option for any lvl 50....if you wanted to keep your 50s and have them gather dust and/or just play with them then fine but if you wanted to do the "end game content" or whatever you want to call it then you could do the mission/arc.

This mission/arc would obviously have to have a whole lot of work put into it and be varied between ATs/powersets. Maybe, let's say, an Emp/Sonic Defender would have a mission/arc to save people/heal them before x time or just defeat x boss while keeping y person alive. Whereas a Spines/DA Scrapper would have a different type of mission...basically the mission/arc would cater to the powersets (and not only on AT since 1 defender could do way less or more than another defender). Now it wouldn't be perfect, because nothing is, but I think it could work.

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Obviously this would be an option for any lvl 50....if you wanted to keep your 50s and have them gather dust and/or just play with them then fine but if you wanted to do the "end game content" or whatever you want to call it then you could do the mission/arc.

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The reason that we don't like the idea is twofold:

1) Unlike you, the OP wanted to FORCE people to retire their level 50s. There was no choice to. I think a choice would be a welcome idea. But a forceful retirement is NOT a good idea.

2) The reasoning behind the OP was faulty. The reason the OP gave was to prevent farming and so that more people would play the lower-level characters. We correctly pointed out that it would do neither of those two things.

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Obviously this would be an option for any lvl 50....if you wanted to keep your 50s and have them gather dust and/or just play with them then fine but if you wanted to do the "end game content" or whatever you want to call it then you could do the mission/arc.

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The reason that we don't like the idea is twofold:

1) Unlike you, the OP wanted to FORCE people to retire their level 50s. There was no choice to. I think a choice would be a welcome idea. But a forceful retirement is NOT a good idea.

2) The reasoning behind the OP was faulty. The reason the OP gave was to prevent farming and so that more people would play the lower-level characters. We correctly pointed out that it would do neither of those two things.

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Well I'm not sure if the OP edit'ed the original post or not but when I read it he had this in the first paragraph:

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Additionally, people who can't bear to part with their level 50 could still work the streets, attack each other in PvP zones, participate in Hamidon raids, and exemplar down to participate in Task Forces.


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Sounds optional to me. Either way I think the biggest issue with what the OP said was what you said in your 2nd point. His assumptions that it would stop farming/what have ya.

Anyways, almost time to leave work

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Um...swapping carrots, and offering an alternate carrot are the same thing.

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No. No they are not. Not even close.

If I was to tell you that I was swapping your current car with a beat up old jalopy, is that the same as giving you the jalopy, in addition to your current car? No, it's not. In one, I'm taking your current car, and in the other, I'm not.

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Well, I am, in fact, NOT taking your carrot. I'm merely suggesting we replace it. If the developers initiated this, they'd be the one taking your carrot.

But, to continue your analogy, I'm suggesting that players be given the opportunity to put their cars into a museum, where they'll be revered and accessible to anyone, but where they'll be unable to be driven again.

I'm not giving forcing anyone to do this, but I am attempting to figure out what sort of compensation would be enough to encourage you to do this.

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none. i love my 50. i have put as much time into him at 50 as i have getting him there. erase yours all you want, leave mine alone.

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Additionally, people who can't bear to part with their level 50 could still work the streets, attack each other in PvP zones, participate in Hamidon raids, and exemplar down to participate in Task Forces.


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Sounds optional to me. Either way I think the biggest issue with what the OP said was what you said in your 2nd point. His assumptions that it would stop farming/what have ya.

Anyways, almost time to leave work

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It wasn't... you didn't look at this part.

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What if, upon reaching level 50, heroes we're given one final mission -- call it an Epic Mission Type, if you want to be consistent. This mission would prevent the player from entering or selecting any other new missions. Characters who level in-mission (or TF) would obviously be allowed to finish their current tasks.

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Note that you dont go to a contact to get this mission your automatically given it and having it automatically has consequences.

If you choose not to complete it you're stuck with street sweeping, doing zone events, and generously (ya right) task forces.

No missions of your own though, at all, and not optional in any manner.

After all if it was optional people probably wouldn't do it and if people didn't do it then they wouldn't be forced to team with the OP.

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Possibly the worst suggestion I've ever read in this forum.

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Wow, you guys are still talking about this?

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Wow, you guys are still talking about this?

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We'll do so as much as we like, tyvm. You have yourself to thank for that. If you didn't want criticism, you should not have posted.

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Wow, you guys are still talking about this?

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Neener neener neener!

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When an idea is this bad it deserves days of trashing.

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Wow, you guys are still talking about this?

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Imagine that. People like to talk about stuff. It's almost like we're on some kind of... Forum where people come to, like... Talk or something. Then again, stranger things have happened.

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Wow......just, wow.

I've seen bad ideas. I've seen good ideas. This is the only idea I've ever run across that would be GUARANTEED to kill the game. Probably within a matter of weeks or months rather than the years we're looking at now.

Didja stop and think about how many people would quit the SECOND they logged in and all their level 50's were gone? I'm guessing 80% at least. The other 20% are those who do not have a level 50 yet. They would quit as soon as they hit 50.

After skimming the thread a little bit it has become apparent to me that your reasoning for this idea is that you are having trouble finding teams in your level range. Your solution would not fix that. You would have even MORE trouble finding teams because you would have 75-80% fewer players to play with.

And yes it WOULD kill the game. So many people would quit over this that it would cost more money to keep the game going than it would earn in a month. They'd pull the plug on it so fast that your head would spin.

So, with that explanation, my offical response:

ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR (censored) MIND!?

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I couldn't disagree more. I enjoy my 50s more than lowbies in progress.

(Nevermind that I disagree with all of your premises as well)

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He wants to delete all level 50 characters. To prevent farming.

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1: Have a senseless hate-on for farming
2: Come up with half-baked idea to "prevent farming" that wouldn't
3: ????
4: PROFIT!

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