Ascension of Level 50 characters...
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Ad Astra,
Posted on: 2009-05-26 13:37 in Suggestions and Ideas
I'm sorry. Your analogy is broken. WAY broken.
While farming isn't the best way to experience a broad swath of content in the game, it's not required that you do that anyhow.
Also, whether you learn the rest of the game's content or not, or even learn the play efficiently against multiple types of enemies, you STILL reach teh end-game content.
As such, your book analogy fails a parity check.
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No. CoH is NOT a novel.
CoH is a "Choose Your Own Adventure".
Stop crying because people choose an adventure other than the one YOU would choose for them!
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I am so sorry to hear you have never encountered a literary passage that plunges itself so deeply into your soul that you feel compelled to read it again - perhaps even again and again.
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If you are suggesting that running farming the same mission is anything akin to reading a particularly vivid piece of literature, then I think it's you I'm sorry for.
I only made the analogy only because I felt that the play of my characters in CoH is akin to a story. Sure, I've run Frostfire twice with the same toon, because I enjoy the mission. I've followed the same arc multiple times. I've don't the same TF multiple times. I've nothing against that. What I dislike is the banal running of the same mission, ad nauseum, with no end in sight.
I've joined teams, and played through an AE mission once, only to have the team leader yell, "Again!" -- at which point I politely take my leave. Problem is, that sometime later in the week (logging in at around the same hour) I got an invite to team -- turns out it's the same guy, the same mission, the same AE, but he was 25 levels higher (His friend was the 50 in question who was setting the mission).
This kind of thing is happening so much, it's practically the only action you can find online if you're not part of a supergroup. I can't find pick-up-groups anymore that are not running AE farms.
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No. CoH is NOT a novel.
CoH is a "Choose Your Own Adventure".
Stop crying because people choose an adventure other than the one YOU would choose for them!
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Ah ha. But even in a choose your adventure book, you still don't read the same page over and over. You look for alternate paths -- something you could do differently to achieve a different ending....and Choose your own adventure books have beginnings, middles, and ends.
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...there are still plenty of teams out there that play through non-farm content.
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I'd ask you to prove exactly that. Log in with a character in the 20's or 20's, on any server, and see how many teams you can find around your level. Give it a shot right now...see how many you can find that aren't rolling AE missions.
The only ulterior motive I had was that I thought it would be a really cool way for players to show off their level 50's instead of having them languish around unused, or have them resort to becoming babysitters for other players.
I have no problem with people playing 50's, running missions with them, but I wish the players who were playing those high level characters, were spending more time playing heroes of a lower level, and teaming with players like myself.
Is that selfish? Sure. Would it also revitalize the game...absolutely.
I'm amused at how Amish_Justice seems to be completely skipping over all of the comments that CoH is like a comic-book. Sort of smacks of cherry picking, doesn't it...?
Says a lot about the defensibility of the OP if it can't hold up to that particular analogy.
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I only made the analogy only because I felt that the play of my characters in CoH is akin to a story. Sure, I've run Frostfire twice with the same toon, because I enjoy the mission. I've followed the same arc multiple times. I've don't the same TF multiple times. I've nothing against that. What I dislike is the banal running of the same mission, ad nauseum, with no end in sight.
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So here's a really wild thought.
*Don't do that.* Let the people who want to do that, do that, and leave them be. Do what you want instead.
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This kind of thing is happening so much, it's practically the only action you can find online if you're not part of a supergroup. I can't find pick-up-groups anymore that are not running AE farms.
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Funny, I can PUG pretty regularly and not get into AE farms. Try making a team yourself instead of waiting around, make sure you specify "Hey, we're running missions/TFs/etc," and use your friends list.
All MUCH easier and less confrontational than the incorrect assumptions and poor result you've come up with here.
i thought i asked you to reply why your idea was good with out using any form of the word "farm". obviously you can't. you are a troll whining that you can't find a team because you choose not to and blame it on farms. so now that you have been shot down in your other thread, you decide that it would just be easier to eliminate all the 50's so it will be easier for you to find a team...... GROW UP. start your own teams rather then waiting for an invite to teams. join global chat channels if anyone will let you to find teams. use coalition chat, use sg chat. use request channel. go solo if you can't find a team. your book analogy has absolutely nothing to do with this game. realize that noone will stop playing their 50's and no amount of anything will get them to stop.
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...there are still plenty of teams out there that play through non-farm content.
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I'd ask you to prove exactly that. Log in with a character in the 20's or 20's, on any server, and see how many teams you can find around your level. Give it a shot right now...see how many you can find that aren't rolling AE missions.
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Heh. Reminds me of an argument I had... what, a week ago, with ares-whatsisface. He insisted teams on Freedom, of all places, were difficult to make. Went on, had a team made in three minutes, proceeded to roll through a story arc.
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The only ulterior motive I had was that I thought it would be a really cool way for players to show off their level 50's instead of having them languish around unused, or have them resort to becoming babysitters for other players.
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Wow, EVEN MORE ASSUMPTIONS! You think all 50s do that? Or that somehow having them stuck on a web page would be more fun than actually being able to take them out and play them... y'know, like pretty much everyone here so far has said they do?
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I have no problem with people playing 50's, running missions with them, but I wish the players who were playing those high level characters, were spending more time playing heroes of a lower level, and teaming with players like myself.
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Even more (incorrect) assumption about those with 50s.
I *regularly* hop through levels. Run my mid-20s mastermind for a bit. Wander over to my dark/dark scrapper. Mess with my Widow. Run one of my 50s, use another to make IOs for the supergroup. Then roll up a new alt. *Constantly.* And I'd feel very safe in saying 95% of the others I know of, and 100% of those I play with (who have multiple 50s as well, for the most part,) do the same thing. *All the time.*
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I am so sorry to hear you have never encountered a literary passage that plunges itself so deeply into your soul that you feel compelled to read it again - perhaps even again and again.
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If you are suggesting that running farming the same mission is anything akin to reading a particularly vivid piece of literature, then I think it's you I'm sorry for.
I only made the analogy only because I felt that the play of my characters in CoH is akin to a story. Sure, I've run Frostfire twice with the same toon, because I enjoy the mission. I've followed the same arc multiple times. I've don't the same TF multiple times. I've nothing against that. What I dislike is the banal running of the same mission, ad nauseum, with no end in sight.
I've joined teams, and played through an AE mission once, only to have the team leader yell, "Again!" -- at which point I politely take my leave. Problem is, that sometime later in the week (logging in at around the same hour) I got an invite to team -- turns out it's the same guy, the same mission, the same AE, but he was 25 levels higher (His friend was the 50 in question who was setting the mission).
This kind of thing is happening so much, it's practically the only action you can find online if you're not part of a supergroup. I can't find pick-up-groups anymore that are not running AE farms.
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OOOhhhh,
So this is a "nobody will team with me thread"!
That explains a bit. People playing their 50s aren't playing alts so they can play with you (since you refuse to play a level 50 character after getting there).
OK, now we can answer this better. I know you don't feel that you can get a team, but there are tons of threads already out there about how to do that and that the servers aren't dead, there are teams out there, yada, yada, yada....
My SGs are *only* 2 players groups, but I can get teams when I want them. I also enjoy soloing quite a bit.
Still - just "no".
EDIT to add: I'm an altoholic. I run characters from brand new up to my sole level 50, with most of them in the 20s to 30s right now. Please don't tell me I can't get teams, because you are wrong. But you have espoused such a narrow view of the "right" way to play the game, that I don't think I would enjoy playing with you.....
Altoholic - but a Blaster at Heart!
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I would rather them up the level limit to infinity than to implement this idea. This would completly destroy this game.
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No. CoH is NOT a novel.
CoH is a "Choose Your Own Adventure".
Stop crying because people choose an adventure other than the one YOU would choose for them!
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Ah ha. But even in a choose your adventure book, you still don't read the same page over and over. You look for alternate paths -- something you could do differently to achieve a different ending....and Choose your own adventure books have beginnings, middles, and ends.
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Right, because who would want to read a book twice ... Silly isn't it.
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...there are still plenty of teams out there that play through non-farm content.
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I'd ask you to prove exactly that. Log in with a character in the 20's or 20's, on any server, and see how many teams you can find around your level. Give it a shot right now...see how many you can find that aren't rolling AE missions.
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I like that you casually skipped over the part where I said ask the appropriate questions. All you did was tell me to try and find a team...
If you were really interested in finding a team, you would make efforts to help yourself rather than blow off advice. You would be making posting in various appropriate in game LFT/LFG/TF/SF/Badge/etc. channels. You would be broadcasting in various city zones. You would be making new friends so as to lessen your dependence of PuGs. You would be scheduling and gathering team get-togethers in the various server forums. You would travel somewhere other than just Atlas Park and Peregrine Island where the farming fanatics hang out.
But you apparently don't take those steps. Instead of making radical suggestions, post in Player Questions to enhance your gaming experience.
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Why are you guys getting so worked up about a suggestion that has no chance in hell of ever happening? And people who know my posting history understand what a stretch it is for me to say that because I think most things are at least possible.
I don't even think the devs would ever entertain this idea.
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Gonna have to say NO to this one.... I spend hundreds of hours to attain 50 for a reason. In my eyes a lvl 50 is a TRUE hero; fully slotted, IO'ed, working on badges, etc.... I play my 50's more than any of my lowbies: radio mishes, tfs, regular missions, helping in sewers, etc etc...
And this would do NOTHING to stop farming. You don't need a lvl 50 to farm.
So to say it again: LEAVE MY 50s ALONE 
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So, this is a serious suggestion, and one you're not likely to support, but hear me out. It's based on a couple of assumptions.
1. Power leveling is, overall, a negative aspect of the game, allowing players to attain level 50, without exploring virtually any actual game content.
2. Farming is, overall, a negative aspect of the game, leading to redundancy of missions, and general malaise among the player base.
3. Once at level 50, character options are limited. There aren't enough things for level 50 character to do.
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Your assumptions are all incorrect. PLers can always go back and revisit content through Ouroboros (i don't PL); farming is something the developers, and only the developers, should be addressing (i don't farm); and my experience with level 50 characters (6, with another just a breath away) is that there is no shortage of content and "things to do" (i spend more time playing my level 50 TA/Dark/Dark than i do playing all of my other characters combined).
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There is a dramatic, but simple, solution to these three problems.
The removal of all level 50 Heroes/Villains.
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Over my dead, smoking, twisted, shredded, drawn and quartered body.
Clear enough?
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I realize that this idea may be unpopular, and I fully expect many of the board regulars to get their knickers in a twist of the idea
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What you don't appear to grasp, at all, is that what you're proposing is essentially the same as suggesting that our pets, or families, or friends, be "removed". We don't want fond memories of the things we love, we want the things we love to be with us forever.
And we will defend the things we love until the last breath in our bodies is gone, in every conceivable way we can.
You want to delete 50s, delete your own.
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Anyone notice how the OP is avoiding the fact that we have the ability to turn off xp and we could use that feature to keep our characters at level 49.
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Are we allowed to say just "no" to this?
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For this idea, I think that the answer may be yes.
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Anyone notice how the OP is avoiding the fact that we have the ability to turn off xp and we could use that feature to keep our characters at level 49.
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I totally noticed. Among, of course, many other holes in the "logic" that went into the OP.
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Why are you guys getting so worked up about a suggestion that has no chance in hell of ever happening? And people who know my posting history understand what a stretch it is for me to say that because I think most things are at least possible.
I don't even think the devs would ever entertain this idea.
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It's one thing to just say "Nah." However, many of us have tried to give the OP reasons why, figuring *understanding* would help out -
Unfortunately, it seems that attempt at bringing understanding is now strongly resembling attempts to pound a wet noodle through a fortified concrete wall with a whiffle bat.
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Why are you guys getting so worked up about a suggestion that has no chance in hell of ever happening? And people who know my posting history understand what a stretch it is for me to say that because I think most things are at least possible.
I don't even think the devs would ever entertain this idea.
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It's one thing to just say "Nah." However, many of us have tried to give the OP reasons why, figuring *understanding* would help out -
Unfortunately, it seems that attempt at bringing understanding is now strongly resembling attempts to pound a wet noodle through a fortified concrete wall with a whiffle bat.
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I missed something. Most were just saying 'You're a troll' 'This is a farming thread in disguise' and other blatant name calling.
In your defense you weren't one of them...
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Drugs are bad.
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LIES.
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LIES.
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I'd like to absorb all sides of the argument but I sense extreme amounts of personal ulterior motives from the OP, judging from the sheer blatantness of his suggestion: [ QUOTE ]
The removal of all level 50 Heroes/Villains.
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It once again comes down to asking the right questions, not suggesting to alter the game to your own liking. If you personally don't like farming, don't farm. If you feel like finding non-farm teams is too difficult, then use the forums as a guide to help your searching skills, because there are still plenty of teams out there that play through non-farm content.
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