Devs- Are you too RP-minded?
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Acemace,
Posted on: 2009-05-22 08:34 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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The ultimate grind.
Still, it has it's moments, doesn't it?
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That's debatable.
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If you level a Mind/Ta controller or a FF/Dark defender up with out PLing i salute you.
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FF is crazy fun to level up the normal way ... I played FF/NRG and it was like playing pool everytime I played. The only issue I have with it is force bolt and power push. Force Bolt is Tier 3 and Power Push is Tier 7, and they do exactly the same thing. With a 4 tier difference, power push needs some damage added to it ....
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If you level a Mind/Ta controller or a FF/Dark defender up with out PLing i salute you.
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FF is crazy fun to level up the normal way ... I played FF/NRG and it was like playing pool everytime I played. The only issue I have with it is force bolt and power push. Force Bolt is Tier 3 and Power Push is Tier 7, and they do exactly the same thing. With a 4 tier difference, power push needs some damage added to it ....
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I hated leveling my FF defender, of course he hit 50 in i4? maybe i got him to 36 then got into a hyrda farm to high 42 and mentored to 50
He is a good toon and fun to pull out once in a while but he can be super boring even though he is super effective.
and i straight up pled my mind/TA to 50 that thing is crazy boring to play unless its in pvp
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Why dress up in a costume (even street clothes - you can pick your look) in a "super hero" world with a character that has "super powers" unless you wanted to RP being a super-hero, super-villian, or super being in a super-heroic world?
Why are you playing CoX?
What kind of game did you think it was?
It's a serious question.
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Expecting everyone to RP just because we are playing an MMORPG is just as stupid as people that complain about RP.
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the best way to fix farming is to shut down the game
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Right: except that it's not farming they're trying to stop, it's *exploiting* something to use in a farm. Big difference.
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Timmed missions, caps on tickets even though i can make more than 1500 in a single regular mission, changes to mobs too many to name, aoe cap, aggro cap, alot of this stuff was to stop farming.
Having 20 things aggroed to my tank as my team took them out was an exploit?
if you think they allow farming as long as its not exploitative you are dead wrong, they just cant stop it
With AE leveling craziness it needed to be nerfed but don't fool yourself if you think they don't have a problem with farming you are wrong.
*edit* fixed some grammar issues so would make a bit more sense 
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The point is, whether it takes you 500 hours, or 60 hours to make a level 50 toon, this game supports both. That's one of the things that makes this game great, and shouldn't be changed.
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I heartily agree!
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the best way to fix farming is to shut down the game
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Right: except that it's not farming they're trying to stop, it's *exploiting* something to use in a farm. Big difference.
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Timmed missions, caps on tickets even though i can make more than 1500 in a single regular mission, changes to mobs too many to name, aoe cap, aggro cap, alot of this stuff was to stop farming.
Having 20 things aggroed to my tank as my team took them out was an exploit?
if you think they allow farming as long as its not exploitative you are dead wrong, they just cant stop it
With AE leveling crazyness it needed to be nerfed but don't fool yourself if you think they dont have a problem with farming
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Wow, where were you all those times that people were saying that the Devs never said or did anything AGAINST farming, so they must think it's okay?
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the best way to fix farming is to shut down the game
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Right: except that it's not farming they're trying to stop, it's *exploiting* something to use in a farm. Big difference.
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Timmed missions, caps on tickets even though i can make more than 1500 in a single regular mission, changes to mobs too many to name, aoe cap, aggro cap, alot of this stuff was to stop farming.
Having 20 things aggroed to my tank as my team took them out was an exploit?
if you think they allow farming as long as its not exploitative you are dead wrong, they just cant stop it
With AE leveling crazyness it needed to be nerfed but don't fool yourself if you think they dont have a problem with farming
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Wow, where were you all those times that people were saying that the Devs never said or did anything AGAINST farming, so they must think it's okay?
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i said they never straight up said YOU CANT FARM, they just nerfed everything.
i had a problem with the lack of communication from the devs on the issue
*edit* oops missread something
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It took me over 500 hours to get my fifties, and I enjoyed them that way.
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Good for you. Unfortunately not everyone is you. Different people, different desires, abilities, needs and wants.
Newsflash not everyone wants to take 500 hours slogging through low level content to get to 50.
I'll let you on another little secret, If I had of thought after doing it that way once I would have had to do the same again, I would have switched to online battleship immediately. People talk about burnout from leveling to fast, well its nothing compared to the mass exodus you would see from the other extreme.
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I guarantee that if a player spent 500 hours before hitting 50, it was NOT all spent on that character. If by some tiny chance it was, they must have been actually not playing any content. They must have spent the time doing costume contests or something. If you're playing the regular game, on heroic, you'll 50 long before 500 hours have passed.
Arc ID#30821, A Clean Break
The only problem with defeating the Tsoo is that an hour later, you want to defeat them again!
"Life is just better boosted!" -- LadyMage
"I'm a big believer in Personal Force Field on a blaster. ... It's your happy place." -- Fulmens
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It took me over 500 hours to get my fifties, and I enjoyed them that way.
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Good for you. Unfortunately not everyone is you. Different people, different desires, abilities, needs and wants.
Newsflash not everyone wants to take 500 hours slogging through low level content to get to 50.
I'll let you on another little secret, If I had of thought after doing it that way once I would have had to do the same again, I would have switched to online battleship immediately. People talk about burnout from leveling to fast, well its nothing compared to the mass exodus you would see from the other extreme.
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I guarantee that if a player spent 500 hours before hitting 50, it was NOT all spent on that character. If by some tiny chance it was, they must have been actually not playing any content. They must have spent the time doing costume contests or something. If you're playing the regular game, on heroic, you'll 50 long before 500 hours have passed.
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or farming retarded badges to get accolades, *cough*born in battle*cough*
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the best way to fix farming is to shut down the game
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Quite a few are suggesting they're in fact working on that. ;]
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the best way to fix farming is to shut down the game
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Right: except that it's not farming they're trying to stop, it's *exploiting* something to use in a farm. Big difference.
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Timmed missions, caps on tickets even though i can make more than 1500 in a single regular mission, changes to mobs too many to name, aoe cap, aggro cap, alot of this stuff was to stop farming.
Having 20 things aggroed to my tank as my team took them out was an exploit?
if you think they allow farming as long as its not exploitative you are dead wrong, they just cant stop it
With AE leveling crazyness it needed to be nerfed but don't fool yourself if you think they dont have a problem with farming
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Wow, where were you all those times that people were saying that the Devs never said or did anything AGAINST farming, so they must think it's okay?
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the best way to fix farming is to shut down the game
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Right: except that it's not farming they're trying to stop, it's *exploiting* something to use in a farm. Big difference.
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Timmed missions, caps on tickets even though i can make more than 1500 in a single regular mission, changes to mobs too many to name, aoe cap, aggro cap, alot of this stuff was to stop farming.
Having 20 things aggroed to my tank as my team took them out was an exploit?
if you think they allow farming as long as its not exploitative you are dead wrong, they just cant stop it
With AE leveling crazyness it needed to be nerfed but don't fool yourself if you think they dont have a problem with farming
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Wow, where were you all those times that people were saying that the Devs never said or did anything AGAINST farming, so they must think it's okay?
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wolves and dreck? same thing different mob?
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the best way to fix farming is to shut down the game
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Right: except that it's not farming they're trying to stop, it's *exploiting* something to use in a farm. Big difference.
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Timmed missions, caps on tickets even though i can make more than 1500 in a single regular mission, changes to mobs too many to name, aoe cap, aggro cap, alot of this stuff was to stop farming.
Having 20 things aggroed to my tank as my team took them out was an exploit?
if you think they allow farming as long as its not exploitative you are dead wrong, they just cant stop it
With AE leveling crazyness it needed to be nerfed but don't fool yourself if you think they dont have a problem with farming
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Wow, where were you all those times that people were saying that the Devs never said or did anything AGAINST farming, so they must think it's okay?
[/ QUOTE ] They still haven't done anything against farming, just what they consider exploits. Some farms, like Battle Maiden, have been around for years without a word or action against it. So it is reasonable to conclude that you can still run that one all you want because it is not an exploit.
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wolves and dreck? same thing different mob?
[/ QUOTE ] My theory is that those were considered exploits and battle maiden isn't.
More exploitable than Battle Maiden, yes.
That's the point though - exploits *break the game*. They give an unfair advantage in whatever form (influence to spend on io's, badge accolades, whatever) to people who do them, above those who choose not to.
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Having 20 things aggroed to my tank as my team took them out was an exploit?
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No, having tanks *herd the entire Brickstown map of 5th into a dumpster* WAS.
Having watched that, been told as an emp/dark defender "we don't need you, go away" or merely, "don't do anything, just stand there, I'll take care of this" - both of those are insults.
Both of those were *broken*. that's why that was changed. The glory days of dumpster tanking are over and have been for more than half the game's history now.
We have *better* tanks, now. We have *better teams* now, with powers that a fire/fire tank didn't even dream of before ED and the rest of the changes.
Way more fun powers, and what's more, "fun" includes *everyone on a team regardless of their power choices*.
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More exploitable than Battle Maiden, yes.
That's the point though - exploits *break the game*. They give an unfair advantage in whatever form (influence to spend on io's, badge accolades, whatever) to people who do them, above those who choose not to.
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Having 20 things aggroed to my tank as my team took them out was an exploit?
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No, having tanks *herd the entire Brickstown map of 5th into a dumpster* WAS.
Having watched that, been told as an emp/dark defender "we don't need you, go away" or merely, "don't do anything, just stand there, I'll take care of this" - both of those are insults.
Both of those were *broken*. that's why that was changed. The glory days of dumpster tanking are over and have been for more than half the game's history now.
We have *better* tanks, now. We have *better teams* now, with powers that a fire/fire tank didn't even dream of before ED and the rest of the changes.
Way more fun powers, and what's more, "fun" includes *everyone on a team regardless of their power choices*.
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I didnt say whole maps, maybe they should of made the AI smarter not just put caps on things? make mobs only follow so far?
my example is not an exploit but was changed anyways
pay more attention
and stop trying to shoehorn your fun into my fun, if you didnt find it fun dont do it, the tank that did herd that much found that fun. Do i agree you should be able to herd entire maps alone jump in a dumpster and put burn with no risk, hell no, but if i had a sonic defender now an empath and herded lets say 50 guys into a room that would be an exploit if i could do it?
stop being obtuse and see it from someone elses point of view
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No, having tanks *herd the entire Brickstown map of 5th into a dumpster* WAS.
Having watched that, been told as an emp/dark defender "we don't need you, go away" or merely, "don't do anything, just stand there, I'll take care of this" - both of those are insults.
Both of those were *broken*. that's why that was changed. The glory days of dumpster tanking are over and have been for more than half the game's history now.
We have *better* tanks, now. We have *better teams* now, with powers that a fire/fire tank didn't even dream of before ED and the rest of the changes.
Way more fun powers, and what's more, "fun" includes *everyone on a team regardless of their power choices*.
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It never fails to amaze me the lengths people go to in order to find ways to bypass the intended gameplay. With examples like these, how can anyone argue that the devs aren't justified in fixing the MA exploits. Its a direct example of the type of behavior people engaged in.
Have all these people advocating 'I have the right to do whatever I want in a game' lost all common sense and ethical behavior? I'm beginning to think so. Sadly its not just COH that has to deal with these issues.
I do hope in the future whenever they implement innovative content that they test it further and make sure mass exploiting isn't as easily done just so that no one can claim they have an excuse why they did it.
My opinion on the matter is: if you can't have fun playing the game as its intended design allows then quit. Forcing Devs to make choices that impact regular gameplay as it was intended in favor for curbing abuses isn't something that should have to be done, it is sometimes a sad reality since there are those who refuse to 'play by the rules'.
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Yes they do. There are ethics to gameplay just as there are in anything. Abusing exploits are unethical and people should have the instinct to know right from wrong.
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Yes they do. There are ethics to gameplay just as there are in anything. Abusing exploits are unethical and people should have the instinct to know right from wrong.
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Its common sense. No one can say they didn't know what they were doing was wrong... they just chose to ignore it. There were warnings in place people could have heeded.
Stating its a position of arrogance is your choice, but abusing a system claiming ignorance in the face of facts is unexcusable by those who are attempting to justify themselves.
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Its common sense. No one can say they didn't know what they were doing was wrong... they just chose to ignore it. There were warnings in place people could have heeded.
Stating its a position of arrogance is your choice, but abusing a system claiming ignorance in the face of facts is unexcusable by those who are attempting to justify themselves.
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But I don't get why people feel they have to justify anything to other people(talking about MA stuff). Regardless if someone used the exploit or not, why does everyone feel the need to justify themselves or demonize those that did it? The change was made, some people were punished. Everyone should just get over it and move on.
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Its common sense. No one can say they didn't know what they were doing was wrong... they just chose to ignore it. There were warnings in place people could have heeded.
Stating its a position of arrogance is your choice, but abusing a system claiming ignorance in the face of facts is unexcusable by those who are attempting to justify themselves.
[/ QUOTE ] I'm not gonna try to change your mind, it seems we just disagree on this issue. No big deal.
But I don't get why people feel they have to justify anything to other people(talking about MA stuff). Regardless if someone used the exploit or not, why does everyone feel the need to justify themselves or demonize those that did it? The change was made, some people were punished. Everyone should just get over it and move on.
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I'm in agreement, but those people shouldn't then come onto various forum topics stating that the devs were wrong blah blah blah. They are bringing this argument forth by topics such as these. If they didn't want judgments from the player base then they shouldn't bring their judgments about the devs to the players.
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Fair enough.
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the best way to fix farming is to shut down the game
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Right: except that it's not farming they're trying to stop, it's *exploiting* something to use in a farm. Big difference.
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