Is a zone alive if no one is in it?
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Amrat,
Posted on: 2009-05-20 15:08 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
I think it does, because Zombie/Rikti raids can still hit the empty zones. THey don't usually stick around very long, though.
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I was just running through Dark Astoria and I had an interesting thought ... does this zone exist if no one is in it?
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And what if a tree fell in an empty zone?
My GUESS would be no. Since missions and bases don't persist, and the system spawns extra instances of a zone as needed (which stick around only as long as someone is in them), I don't think they would be persistent.
As for does anyone know? - probably not among the userbase.
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how very Zen.
I prefer the classics though: if a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
My guess is yes, since the giant monsters are able to spawn in their zone at any time.
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how very Zen.
I prefer the classics though: if a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
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No. It makes the air vibrate a lot, yes, but sound is air vibrations converted into sensory information. So no listener, no sound.
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Try going to the eden zone(virtually uninhabited by players at times.) and pulling a mob to a zone line.
If it's there when you zone back in, then there's the proof.
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how very Zen.
I prefer the classics though: if a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
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No. It makes the air vibrate a lot, yes, but sound is air vibrations converted into sensory information. So no listener, no sound.
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...and I thought I was the only one who ever gave this answer...
As far as the original question...A zone is never alive, it is made of code translated into 3d mesh textures etc...Is it online when other zones are, yes. Unless of course the cluster crashes the zone, and if no one is in it then only the people on the backend would ever know.
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heh, i'll have to remember that one.
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how very Zen.
I prefer the classics though: if a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
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No. It makes the air vibrate a lot, yes, but sound is air vibrations converted into sensory information. So no listener, no sound.
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Wait, does that mean that there was no sound anywhere before there were people around to hear it?
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how very Zen.
I prefer the classics though: if a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
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No. It makes the air vibrate a lot, yes, but sound is air vibrations converted into sensory information. So no listener, no sound.
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Wait, does that mean that there was no sound anywhere before there were people around to hear it?
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There have been a plethora of creatures that could hear sound before there were humans. There have been creatures that could sense sound waves even if they couldn't hear them.
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how very Zen.
I prefer the classics though: if a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
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No. It makes the air vibrate a lot, yes, but sound is air vibrations converted into sensory information. So no listener, no sound.
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Wait, does that mean that there was no sound anywhere before there were people around to hear it?
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There have been a plethora of creatures that could hear sound before there were humans. There have been creatures that could sense sound waves even if they couldn't hear them.
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Exactly, and even a microphone counts. As long as the air (or liquid, or solid matter) vibrations are acknowledged and converted by a device or creature capable of converting it into information, it's a sound. If not, it's just vibrations.
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how very Zen.
I prefer the classics though: if a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
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No. It makes the air vibrate a lot, yes, but sound is air vibrations converted into sensory information. So no listener, no sound.
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Technically incorrect. Sound is actually defined as a traveling wave which is an occilation of pressure through a solid, liquid, or gas. The sensory mechanism of Hearing is how we PERCEIVE sound, but just as eyes are how we perceive light, light itself exists regardless if any eyes are present to see it. Similarly, sound waves exist regardless if any hearing mechanism is present to interpret those waves as sensory information.
Sound has an objective and independent existence from hearing, and can be measured without resorting to using hearing. Thus sound exists even if no one is around to hear it. In fact a completely deaf person could still perceive sounds through other sensory clues, such as the oscillating pressure of the sound waves on their body (which I am sure you yourself have experienced, such as from high decibel sounds, particularly those of low frequency, such as "bass").
Audibility requires hearing, but sound itself exists independently.
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how very Zen.
I prefer the classics though: if a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
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No. It makes the air vibrate a lot, yes, but sound is air vibrations converted into sensory information. So no listener, no sound.
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Wait, does that mean that there was no sound anywhere before there were people around to hear it?
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There have been a plethora of creatures that could hear sound before there were humans. There have been creatures that could sense sound waves even if they couldn't hear them.
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That's just sidestepping the issue. Because now I can ask, "well then what about before life began on this planet or anywhere else in the universe? Was there no sound? Was there no light, until there was an eye with which to see it?"
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how very Zen.
I prefer the classics though: if a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
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No. It makes the air vibrate a lot, yes, but sound is air vibrations converted into sensory information. So no listener, no sound.
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Wait, does that mean that there was no sound anywhere before there were people around to hear it?
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There have been a plethora of creatures that could hear sound before there were humans. There have been creatures that could sense sound waves even if they couldn't hear them.
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That's just sidestepping the issue. Because now I can ask, "well then what about before life began on this planet or anywhere else in the universe? Was there no sound? Was there no light, until there was an eye with which to see it?"
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Sound and light both exist independently of the sensory organs that evolved to perceive them. We can infer their independent existence through indirect observation.
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how very Zen.
I prefer the classics though: if a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
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No. It makes the air vibrate a lot, yes, but sound is air vibrations converted into sensory information. So no listener, no sound.
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Wait, does that mean that there was no sound anywhere before there were people around to hear it?
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There have been a plethora of creatures that could hear sound before there were humans. There have been creatures that could sense sound waves even if they couldn't hear them.
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That's just sidestepping the issue. Because now I can ask, "well then what about before life began on this planet or anywhere else in the universe? Was there no sound? Was there no light, until there was an eye with which to see it?"
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There is no sidestepping. The waves and frequencies exist, but until there is something capable of perceiving it and converting it into information then they are just waves and frequencies.
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BTW, before we get to this semi-inevitable point....
There were eggs before chickens.
Carry on people.
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For a moment there, I was starting to wonder if we were living in a subjective reality where nothing existed until we were around to witness it.
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There is no sidestepping. The waves and frequencies exist, but until there is something capable of perceiving it and converting it into information then they are just waves and frequencies.
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There are different kinds of waves and frequencies.
The kind of waves created by occilating pressure through a medium via longitudinal and traverse range is called "sound".
Sound is NOT information as you seem to believe. It's a type of wave. Information can be transmitted via that wave, but the information itself is based on the perception of sound, not sound itself.
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BTW, before we get to this semi-inevitable point....
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Probably, if we're talking from an evolutionary perspective.
But ontologically, Chickens come first. Because the egg is only a potential chicken and a chicken is an actual chicken and since actuality preceeds potentiality, the chicken comes first.
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BTW, before we get to this semi-inevitable point....
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Probably.
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Then what laid the eggs?
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BTW, before we get to this semi-inevitable point....
There were eggs before chickens.
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Probably.
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Then what laid the eggs?
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Proto-chicken. Likely a common ancestor of the Guinnea Hen.
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BTW, before we get to this semi-inevitable point....
There were eggs before chickens.
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Probably, if we're talking from an evolutionary perspective.
But ontologically, Chickens come first. Because the egg is only a potential chicken and a chicken is an actual chicken and since actuality preceeds potentiality, the chicken comes first.
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But that chicken hatched from an egg, didn't it?
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BTW, before we get to this semi-inevitable point....
There were eggs before chickens.
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Probably.
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Then what laid the eggs?
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Proto-chicken. Likely a common ancestor of the Guinnea Hen.
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Which likely hatched from an egg...
I was just running through Dark Astoria and I had an interesting thought ... does this zone exist if no one is in it? Does the game load it up only when at least one player is in it? And if not why not? I would think it would save a bit on server work ...
Anyone know?
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