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AE Critter Power Changes

300_below

By 300_below,
Posted on: 2009-04-29 17:47 in The Global Training Room Test Server

 

Posted

Oy! I have a war mace/shield group (minions & lieutenants) I'll definitely need to rework ... not to mention a plant/psi assault boss (among others).

Not to threadjack, but are we able to load local MA files to the test server MA? (The test server doesn't pick up arcs published on live does it?)

 

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Do a Save As while editing your published arcs. Then copy these subdirectories from your Live Client directory to the Test Client directory.
* Missions
* Custom_Critter
* CustomVillainGroup

Then when you long onto Test you'll find the mission in your "Local Stories" tab and critters in "My Characters".

 

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No longer will you be able to hover over melee attack units and kill them with AOEs. They will now have a ranged attack so you can't keep out of their range and take them down.

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Right. Works much better for my purposes.

 

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No longer will you be able to hover over melee attack units and kill them with AOEs. They will now have a ranged attack so you can't keep out of their range and take them down.

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Right. Works much better for my purposes.

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And your opinion everything else is?

 

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Here are the Custom Boss Power Sets as they currently are on test (4/30/09).

This is both Primary and Secondary Powersets; BOSS ONLY

+ = added at Hard
++ = added at Extreme

BLAST SETS
*Archery
Snap Shot
Aimed Shot
Fistful of Arrows
Blazing Arrow
Explosive Arrow
+Aim
+Stunning Shot
++Rain of Arrows

*Assault Rifle
Burst
Slug
Buckshot
M30 Grenade
Flamethrower
+Beanbag
+Ignite
++Full Auto

*Dark Blast
Dark Blast
Gloom
Tenebrous Tentacles
Night Fall
+Dark Pit
+Torrent
+Life Drain
++Blackstar

*Electrical Blast
Charged Bolts
Lightning Bolt
Ball Lightning
Tesla Cage
+Short Circuit
+Aim
+Voltaic Sentinel
++Thunderous Blast

*Energy Blast
Power Bolt
Power Blast
Energy Torrent
Power Burst
Explosive Blast
+Aim
++Nova

*Fire Blast
Flares
Fire Blast
Fire Ball
Fire Breath
Blaze
+Rain of Fire
+Aim
++Inferno

*Ice Blast
Ice Bolt
Ice Blast
Frost Breath
Freezing Ray
Bitter Ice Blast
+Aim
+Ice Storm
++Blizzard

*Psychic Blast
Mental Blast
Subdue
Psychic Scream
Telekinetic Blast
Will Domination
+Psionic Tornado
+Scramble Thoughts
++Psychic Wail

*Radiation Blast
Neutrino Bolt
X-Ray Beam
Electron Haze
Cosmic Burst
Neutron Bomb
+Irradiate
+Aim
++Proton Volley
++Atomic Blast

*Sonic Attack
Shriek
Scream
Howl
Shockwave
Shout
+Amplify (Aim)
+Siren's Song
++Dreadful Wail

ASSAULT SETS
*Electricity Assault
Charged Bolts
Charged Brawl
Lightning Bolt
Havoc Punch
Thunder Strike
+Build Up
+Static Discharge
+Voltaic Sentinel
++Zapp

*Energy Assault
Power Bolt
Bone Smasher
Power Blast
Total Focus
Power Burst
+Power Push
+Power Boost
+Whirling Hands
++Sniper Blast

*Fiery Assault
Flares
Incinerate
Fire Breath
Fire Blast
Blazing Bolt (Why is a Snipe Standard on this set?)
Blaze
+Fiery Embrace
+Combustion
++Consume (What is so extreme about this?)

*Icy Assault
Ice Bolt
Ice Sword
Ice Blast
Frost Breath
Ice Slash
Bitter Ice Blast
+Ice Sword Circle
+Power Boost
++Chilling Embrace

*Psionic Assault
Psionic Dart
Mind Probe
Mental Blast
Subdue
Psychic Shockwave
+Telekinetic Thrust
+Psychic Scream
+Drain Psyche
++Psionic Lance

*Thorny Assault
Thorny Darts
Skewer
Fling Thorns
Impale
Ripper
Thorn Barrage
+Aim
+Thorn Burst
+Thorntrops

MELEE SETS
*Battle Axe
Beheader
Chop
Throwing Knives
Swoop
Cleave
+Gash
+Build Up
+Whirling Axe
++Pendulum

*Broadsword
Hack
Slash
Throwing Knives
Disembowel
Headsplitter (On Standard?)
+Slice
+Build Up
+Parry
++Whirling Sword (Why is this more Extreme than Headsplitter?)

*Claws
Swipe
Strike
Slash
Focus
Eviscerate
+Follow Up
+Shockwave
++Spin

*Dark Melee
Shadow Punch
Smite
Gloom
Shadow Maul
Midnight Grasp
+Siphon Life
+Soul Drain
++Dark Consumption

*Dual Blades
Nimble Slash
Power Slice
Ablating Strike
Throwing Knives
Vengeful Slice
Sweeping Strike
+Typhoon's Edge
+Blinding Feint
++One Thousand Cuts

*Electrical Melee
Charged Brawl
Havoc Punch
Lightning Bolt
Thunder Strike
Chain Induction
+Jacob's Ladder
+Build Up
+Lightning Clap
++Lightning Rod

*Energy Melee
Barrage
Energy Punch
Power Blast
Bone Smasher
Total Focus
+Build Up
+Whirling Hands
++Energy Transfer

*Firey Melee
Scorch
Fire Sword
Fire Blast
Cremate
Greater Fire Sword
+Build Up
+Incinerate
+Breath of Fire
++Fire Sword Circle

*Ice Melee
Frozen Fists
Ice Sword
Ice Blast
Freezing Touch
Greater Ice Sword
+Frost
+Build Up
+Ice Patch (Why is this ice patch less Extreme than the Ice Control one?)
++Frozen Aura

*Katana
Sting of the Wasp
Gambler's Cut
Shuriken
Soaring Dragon
Golden Dragonfly (On Standard? Seriously?)
+Flashing Steel
+Build Up
+Divine Avalanche
++The Lotus Drops (Extreme? Really?)

*Martial Arts
Thunder Kick
Storm Kick
Shuriken
Crane Kick
Eagles Claw
+Cobra Strike
+Focus Chi (Build Up)
+Crippling Axe Kick
++Dragon's Tail

*Spines
Barb Swipe
Lunge
Impale
Ripper
+Build Up
+Throw Spines
++Spine Burst

*Stone Melee
Stone Fist
Heavy Stone Fist (Wait, where did the Hammer go?)
Seismic Smash
Hurl Boulder
Tremor
+Build Up
+Fault

*Super Strength
Jab
Punch
Haymaker
Knockout Blow (OMG)
Hurl
+Rage
+Footstomp
++Handclap (Why is this Extreme here but Hard on Elec Melee?)

*War Mace
Bash
Pulverize
Throwing Knives
Clobber
Shatter
+Jawbreaker
+Build Up
+Whirling Mace
+Crowd Control

CONTROL SETS
*Earth Control
Stone Prison
Fossilize
Volcanic Gases
+Stone Cages
+Stalagmites
+Earthquake
+Animate Stone
++Quicksave

*Fire Control
Ring of Fire
Char
Cinders (an AoE hold is Standard?)
+Fire Cages (an AoE immobilize is Hard?)
+Smoke
+Flashfire
+Fire Imps
++Hot Feet
++Bonfire

*Gravity Control
Crush
Life
Gravity Distortion
Propel
Gravity Distortion Field (an AoE hold is Standard?)
+Crushing Field (an AoE immobilize is Hard?)
+Wormhole
+Singularity
++Dimension Shift

*Ice Control
Chilblain
Block of Ice
Glacier (an AoE hold is Standard?)
+Frostbite (an AoE immobilize is Hard?)
+Arctic Air
+Shiver
+Flash Freeze
+Jack Frost
++Ice Slick

*Illusion Control
Spectral Wounds
Blind
Deceive
Flash
+Spectral Terror
+Phantasm
++Group Invisibility
++Phantom Army

*Mind Control
Mesmerize
Levitate
Dominate
Confuse
Total Domination
+Mass Hypnosis
+Terrify
++Mass Confusion

*Plant Control
Entangle
Strangler
Vines
+Roots
+Spore Burst
+Seeds of Confusion
+Carrion Creepers
+Fly Trap
++Spirit Tree (Oh no! Spirit Tree! Run away!!)

MASTERMIND SETS
*Mercenaries
Burst
Soldiers
Slug
+Spec Ops
+M30 Grenade
++Commando

*Necromancy
Dark Blast
Zombie Hored
Gloom
+Grave Knight
+Life Drain
++Soul Extraction
++Lich

*Ninjas
Snap Shot
Call Genin
Aimed Shot
+Fistful of Arrows
+Call Jounin
++Oni

*Robotics
Pulse Rifle Blast
Battle Drones
Pulse Rifle Burst
+Photon Grenade
+Protector Bots
+Repair
++Assault Bot

*Thugs
Pistols
Call Thugs
Dual Wield
+Empty Clips
+Call Enforcer
++Gang War
++Call Bruiser

DEFENSE/RESISTANCE SETS
*Dark Armor
Dark Embrace
Murky Cloud
+Death Shroud
+Dark Regeneration
+Cloak of Darkness
+Oppressive Gloom
++Obsidian Shield
++Soul Transfer (So we cannot give the Psi/Mezz shield without giving them a self-rezz. BOOO!!)

*Electric Armor
Charged Armor
Conductive Shield
+Lightning Field
+Lightning Reflexes
+Conserve Power
+Power Sink (That should be an Extreme Power!)
++Static Shield (Should be Hard)
++Grounded (Should be Hard)
++Power Surge

*Energy Aura
Kinetic Shield
Dampening Field
Power Shield
Energy Protection
+Energy Drain (That should be an Extreme Power!)
++Entropy Shield (Should be Hard)
++Overload

*Fiery Aura
Fire Shield
Temperature Protection
Plasma Shield
+Blazing Aura
+Healing Flames
+Consume
+Fiery Embrace
++Burn
++Rise of the Phoenix

*Ice Armor
Frozen Armor
Permafrost
Glacial Armor
+Hoarfrost
+Chilling Embrace
+Icicles
+Energy Absorption
++Wet Ice
++Hibernate

*Invulnerability
Resist Physical Damage
Temp Invulnernability
Resist Elements
Resist Energies
Tough Hide
+Dull Pain
+Invincibility
++Unyielding
++Unstoppable

*Ninjistu
Hide
Ninja Reflexes
Danger Sense
+Caltrops
+Kuji-In Sha
+Smoke Flash
+Blinding Powder
++Kuji-In Rin
++Kuji-In Retsu

*Regeneration
Fast Healing
Quick Recovery
Resilience
+Reconstruction
+Dull Pain
+Instant Healing
++Integration
++Revive
++Moment of Glory

*Shield Defense
Deflection
Battle Agility
True Grit
Phalanx Fighting
+Against All Odds
+Grant Cover
++Active Defense
++One with the Shield

*Stone Armor
Rock Armor
Stone Skin
Brimstone Armor
Crystal Armor
Minerals
+Earth's Embrace
+Mud Pots
++Rooted
++Granite Armor

*Super Reflexes
Focused Fighting
Focused Senses
Agile
Dodge
Quickness
Lucky
Evasion
++Practiced Brawler
++Elude

*Willpower
High Pain Tolerance
Mind Over Body
Fast Healing
Heightened Senses
+Rise to the Challenge
+Quick Recovery
++Indomitable Will
++Resurgence
++Strength of Will

BUFFING/DEBUFFING SETS
*Cold Domination
Infrigidate
Ice Shield
+Arctic Fog
+Benumb
++Sleet
++Heat Loss

*Dark Miasma
Darkest Night
Petrifying Gaze
+Twilight Grasp
+Shadowfall
++Tar Patch
++Fearsome Stare
++Dark Servant

*Empathy
Heal Other
+Healing Aura
+Fortitude
+Recovery Aura
++Clear Mind

*Force Field
Force Bolt
Repulsion Bomb
+Personal Force Field
+Deflection Shield
+Aid Self
+Dispersion Bubble
++Detention Field
++Force Bubble

*Kinetics
Siphon Power
Transference
+Transfusion
+Siphon Speed
+Speed Boost
++Fulcrum Shift

*Pain Domination
Soothe
+Nullify Pain
+Soothing Aura
+World of Pain
++Enforced Morale
++Anguishing Cry
++Painbringer

*Poison
Alkaloid
Neurotoxic Breath
Paralytic Poison
+Envenom
+Weaken
++Antidote

*Radiation Emission
Radiation Infection
+Radiant Aura
+Accelerate Metabolism
+Enervating Field
++Lingering Radiation
++Choking Cloud
++EM Pulse

*Sonic Resonance
Sonic Siphon
+Sonic Barrier
+Sonic Dispersion
++Disruption Field
++Liquify

*Storm Summoning
Gale
O2 Boost
+Snow Storm
+Steamy Mist
+Thunder Clap
++Freezing Rain
++Hurricane
++Tornado
++Lightning Storm

*Thermal Radiation
Thermal Shield
Cauterize
+Warmth
+Forge
++Thaw
++Heat Exhaustion
++Melt Armor

*Trick Arrow
Entangling Arrow
Ice Arrow
+Flash Arrow
+Acid Arrow
+Disruption Arrow
++Glue Arrow
++Poison Gas Arrow
++Oil Slick Arrow
++EMP Arrow

MANIPULATION SETS
*Devices
Web Grenade
Taser
+Targeting Drone
+Smoke Grenade
++Caltrops
++Gun Drone

*Electricity Manipulation
Electric Fence
Charged Brawl
Havoc Punch
Thunder Strike
+Lightning Field
+Build Up
+Lightning Clap
++Power Sink

*Energy Manipulation
Power Thrust
Bone Smasher
Total Focus
+Build Up
+Stun
+Power Boost

*Fire Manipulation
Ring of Fire
Fire Sword
+Combustion
+Build Up
++Fire Sword Circle
++Hot Feet

*Ice Manipulation
Chilblain
Frozen Fists
Freezing Touch
+Chilling Embrace
+Build Up
+Shiver
++Ice Patch

*Mental Manipulation
Subdual
Mind Probe
Telekinetic Thrust
Psychic Scream
Psychic Shockwave
+Concentration (Build Up)
+Drain Psyche
++World of Confusion
++Scare

 

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Does anyone else get the APP power change vibe from these alterations? Some of the changes make you want to ask "Have you played this game?"

I think the best solution to this problem is the same as for the APP misstep: Adding an extra option. That might require more work than is possible even for I15 though.

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Critters becoming more powerful is the point.

It is evident that due to rampant farming, the Custom Critter minimum performance needs to be higher than it started as.

I personally am all in favor of tougher minimum critters (due to farming; not to punish anyone, but obviously the critters are not challenging enough out of the box for hardcore players). But it is just going to be tough to do without making the critters more annoying, especially in large groups. You just can't give a critter 5 powers out of a powerset (in the vast majority of cases) without ending up with a mez, a debuff, mez protection, or a strong self boost.

I am in favor of the baked in ranged attacks as a stopgap for now; they are appropriate in a generic sense, but I am also in favor of a mandaotory ranged attack pool when the code can be written for that. I would not expect it this month, or before this patch hits Live.

Rebuilding your missions is just going to be a way of life. Not just when the Devs break something, but also when they release a new feature you want to take advantage of. If they gave us the ability to choose powers with check boxes tomorrow, we would all be redoing our critters anyway, just with less complaining (or with more, if it also bloated the critter filesize).

I feel the pain about the energy blasting Trolls, but the same imagination that coverted an energy punch into a 'really strong hit' will have to be employed to convert the energy blast into a hurled object of some kind.

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For defenses we need 3 levels:
1) resistances/defenses
2) better resistances/defenses, mez protection
3) self rez or other special powers

For attacks we need these levels
1) a couple of cycling attacks (tier 1 and 2, plus ranged)
2) a complete chain of attacks, a control or other special power
3) add a nuke or other massive burst damage attack

Do we really need them to have aim/build up at all?

 

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I am thinking more like:

Standard: Damage dealing attacks, damage resistance, defense.

Hard: Debuffs/Buffs below 30%, short mezzes, status protection against things other than Holds

Extreme: Rezzes, 'godmodes', nukes, mezzes that last more than 4 seconds, stronger debuffs and buffs

I am absolutely in favor of Build Up and similar powers being available at Extreme for those people who want to challenge themselves or those who dare to play in their arcs (so long as those arcs are properly labelled).

The problem is not what is available at Extreme, it's what is available at Standard and Hard, where you want to build balanced or unusual critters.

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I am absolutely in favor of Build Up and similar powers being available at Extreme for those people who want to challenge themselves or those who dare to play in their arcs (so long as those arcs are properly labelled).

The problem is not what is available at Extreme, it's what is available at Standard and Hard, where you want to build balanced or unusual critters.

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my concern with that is if you add a tier 9 attach which probably does double what the other attacks do - and then add build up - suddenly going to extreme gives you an attack that does 4x the damage you did before.

Build up instead of a tier 9 makes sense, but I'd rather have the tier 9 for variety and skip the build up

 

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Critters becoming more powerful is the point.

It is evident that due to rampant farming, the Custom Critter minimum performance needs to be higher than it started as.

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I'm not sure I get this comment. Custom critters hit *much* harder than the standard NPCs. The problem many of us have had since beta is creating custom enemies that don't wipe us out quickly.

Most of the "farms" I've seen consist of hand-picked standard critters (Rikti, Freaks, etc.), not customs.

By and large, custom critters are tougher right now. If you want to keep a mission easier while still fighting custom bosses, load up with standard NPCs and add your own end boss.

Custom critters do not need to be made tougher, just better balanced.

 

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The Boss Power List is complete now. It's one page back.

One of my biggest concerns with Bosses now is that they HAVE to have a tier-9 attack no matter what.

 

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You know the only reason the ranged attacks were added was an attempt to curb some of the farming missions (whether good or bad) being created in AE. No longer will you be able to hover over melee attack units and kill them with AOEs. They will now have a ranged attack so you can't keep out of their range and take them down.

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Because Throwing Knives is really going to be a major threat to those farmers hovering overhead...

 

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I'm not sure I get this comment. Custom critters hit *much* harder than the standard NPCs. The problem many of us have had since beta is creating custom enemies that don't wipe us out quickly.

Most of the "farms" I've seen consist of hand-picked standard critters (Rikti, Freaks, etc.), not customs.


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That is what the Devs don't seem to get. These changes are going to do jack-[censored] to curb farming. Instead they're going to kill custom critter creation, which was one of the biggest draws of the Mission Architect. Which stuff like this in place you'll more likely have people avoiding missions that list "Custom Group" among the factions present.

 

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I'm not sure I get this comment. Custom critters hit *much* harder than the standard NPCs. The problem many of us have had since beta is creating custom enemies that don't wipe us out quickly.

Most of the "farms" I've seen consist of hand-picked standard critters (Rikti, Freaks, etc.), not customs.


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That is what the Devs don't seem to get. These changes are going to do jack-[censored] to curb farming. Instead they're going to kill custom critter creation, which was one of the biggest draws of the Mission Architect. Which stuff like this in place you'll more likely have people avoiding missions that list "Custom Group" among the factions present.

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QFT

I've yet to see a popular farm that consisted of primarily customs. They have almost always been existing hand picked dev creations.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who's tolerance threshold has been surpassed.

 

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Ah man, I just dunno what to do. I'm so bummed about Gang War getting removed from minons, plus Aim/Build up getting added onto Hard. I really wish there was some way we could make them see just how bad this plan is, but at this pint I guess im resigned to having it go live and F everything up before they make some half-arsed attempt and putting it right... <sigh>

 

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I thought the MA wasn't about making powerful mobs but about making good stories.

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For some people. MA is about making what people want to make confined by the limitations of the system.

That might be:
Stories
Challenges
Cool maps
Cool enemies
Farms*
or w/e someone can come up with. CoX has always taken the shotgun approach to providing for the customers. This game offers an option for almost every type of player. Granted none of them are done particularly well, but just like how Baskin Robbins isn't the best icecream, the variety is attractive.

MA is an extension of that philosophy. And true to form as demonstrated in this thread and others, is not particularly great either. But it is good enough and offers enough variety to pull in a lot of people.

 

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I don't want to comment on everything here, but in terms of providing a constructive version of, "Me too," I would like to echo the concerns about the inclusion of Energy Drain (a) at all, for minions and (b) at anything below extreme for other classes of enemies. Being able to populate a mission with predictable spawns that can drain every melee character to zero end (very easy, with multiple Energy Drains happening at once) within seconds of engagement is the antithesis of fun.

There are two things that consistently make me quit arcs, and those are the over-use of to-hit debuffs and the over-use of end drain. I very much hope that the Energy Drain (and Darknest Night) decisions get some serious attention pre-promotion.

My postings to this forum are not to be used as data in any research study without my express written consent.

 

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I don't want to comment on everything here, but in terms of providing a constructive version of, "Me too," I would like to echo the concerns about the inclusion of Energy Drain (a) at all, for minions and (b) at anything below extreme for other classes of enemies. Being able to populate a mission with predictable spawns that can drain every melee character to zero end (very easy, with multiple Energy Drains happening at once) within seconds of engagement is the antithesis of fun.

There are two things that consistently make me quit arcs, and those are the over-use of to-hit debuffs and the over-use of end drain. I very much hope that the Energy Drain (and Darknest Night) decisions get some serious attention pre-promotion.

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You think you'd be upset? I have an entire faction where 7 of the 9 enemies are Energy Aura.

 

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Wow. Looking over that list there's only one change I really approve of and that's moving Detention Field to Extreme.

All custom units are now MUCH harder than they were before. They were already really tough, especially for low level characters. This change is going to make lieutenants and bosses way more difficult. Before, I did both on hard/hard. Now, even if I put them on standard/standard they're going to be HARDER. Seriously! ALL bosses have 5-6 attacks minimum? Including tier 9s?

Please, please, PLEASE, for the hundredth time, revisit the power selection process. Set a minimum (old standard, with a few small twewaks like the Detention Field thing) and a maximum (old extreme), and let the players select which powers they want to ADD on top of the MINIMUM. This will have ZERO EFFECT on farmers/exploiters because they still get the minimum now. But people who actually care about this stuff can pick and say, yes I want Foot Stomp but not Rage and not Knockout Blow. Yes I want Strength of Will but not Resurgence.

PLEASE listen to the players on this. This is a VERY BAD change, on par with the proposed epic changes. This change is giving the players LESS control over the powers that units have and making them WAY harder.

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Critters becoming more powerful is the point.

It is evident that due to rampant farming, the Custom Critter minimum performance needs to be higher than it started as.

I personally am all in favor of tougher minimum critters (due to farming; not to punish anyone, but obviously the critters are not challenging enough out of the box for hardcore players).

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Yes. Because my custom archvillain in an arc geared toward level 25-32 players needs Total Focus to be a "challenge." Because everyone playing MA missions is a hardcore player.

One of the big problems with custom critters is that they have all the powers you give them, regardless of level. The only way you could made a lowbie-friendly arc was to set everything to standard, and even then some power sets were a no-no. Now even more powersets are being excluded, since using them will automatically give your critters debuffs and mezzes that lowbies aren't equipped to deal with.

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I made Trolls with Martial Arts and Energy Melee, who will now have wildly out of character powers that I can't get rid of. I would GLADLY trade these in to give them pistols, guns, or Hurl/Hurl Boulder. In fact, I would GLADLY give them MORE ranged attacks that are MORE powerful, as long as I could pick which ones to make sure they still make sense. Concept means a lot to me. This patch is KILLING my concepts.

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I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your general problem; I'm still firming up my thoughts on the various changes. However, in your specific case, why not use /Super Strength? It sounds like it'd be a lot more troll-like than /Energy Melee anyway, and with Hurl as an actual ranged power they may be less likely to use Shuriken from their Martial Arts/.

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I made Trolls with Martial Arts and Energy Melee, who will now have wildly out of character powers that I can't get rid of. I would GLADLY trade these in to give them pistols, guns, or Hurl/Hurl Boulder. In fact, I would GLADLY give them MORE ranged attacks that are MORE powerful, as long as I could pick which ones to make sure they still make sense. Concept means a lot to me. This patch is KILLING my concepts.

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I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your general problem; I'm still firming up my thoughts on the various changes. However, in your specific case, why not use /Super Strength? It sounds like it'd be a lot more troll-like than /Energy Melee anyway, and with Hurl as an actual ranged power they may be less likely to use Shuriken from their Martial Arts/.

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I have an entire faction of Trolls, including:

Minions:
Martial Arts/Assault Rifle
Thugs/Stone Melee
Super Strength/War Mace

Lieutenants:
Martial Arts/Willpower
Stone Melee/Earth Armor
Super Strength/Invuln

Bosses:
Super Strength/Invuln
Energy Melee/Willpower

EBs:
Energy Melee/Invuln

AVs:
Energy Melee/Shield Defense
Super Strength/Willpower

If I got rid of EM and MA to replace with SS, I'd end up with a pretty crappy and very repetitive gang, at which point it'd almost be pointless to even be using custom units.

I'm all for the ranged powers being added, but give us options. I'd gladly give all those ones that lack ranged attacks guns, rubble to throw, or Hurl-like powers. But the stuff they're adding is really out of character and I'm not sure what I'm going to do.

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