AE Critter Power Changes

Dispari · 05-28-2009 02:42 PM

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* The lame ranged attacks still exist and they're just as out-of-character as before, and are still extremely powerful. They need to be toned down to minor damage and be tossed into a pool for us to pick freely from rather than being forced a specific power.

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I am actually one of the advocates for the ranged powers to be there due to balance reasons, however I would like (and PMd it to Phosyb) if your selected melee set is a secondary set to allow the ranged attack to be customized out. The first set would always be the one with the ranged attack(s.)

This allow a player to pick, let's say, Martial Arts secondary with an Energy Blast primary and avoid the ninja star for conceptual reasons. You still would be forced to take ranged attacks but it would be more under your control what would it be.

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As I've been misunderstood at least twice, and once by a dev, let me restate:

I absolutely DO WANT the ranged attacks for melee-only units. They absolutely NEED to have ranged attacks to be fair and balanced. Ranged attacks should be MANDATORY for melee units to take. If they're set up as a secondary that may be different, but units who have no ranged attacks are exploitable.

However, we should be allowed to pick what ranged attacks we want, rather than being forced a specific one. I, for instance, don't want my Energy Melee units to throw energy blasts or my Martial Arts units to throw shurikens. I would gladly give them Hurl, Hurl Boulder, or Assault Rifle powers, but my units are melee/defense in most cases and with the system I have no way of making durable melee units without being forced silly powers I don't like.

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5th_Player · 05-28-2009 08:15 PM

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Pure conjecture: this is the quick anti-farming version; more thought out changes will be made in the future after players chew on it awhile. I would not be suprised if this were rushed to Live as an emergency maneuver.

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I hope the "more thought out" change is letting us choose the powers ourselves, with some minimal "must-take"s of course. The ranged attack in Melee sets could switch to optional if a ranged powerset is also chosen.

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The only problem with that, is that it would make custom critter files even bigger.

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No it wouldn't.

As is, they need a flag to determine what setting the power is on.

Looking at the way the custom creator works, there are no other yes/no settings. Most likely this means they are using at least a byte to store this setting flag. Since the difficulty setting has three options, then they must be using at least 2 bits to store this information.

A byte is made of eight bits, each on off flags (1 or 0). If we assume one power in every set is a default, then that leaves 8 other powers that can be selected from. That means there's enough bits in ONE byte to store this information.

So if we allow custom power selections, the file size wouldn't increase at all.

Since the program is already looking at the difficulty setting for which powers it has access too, there's only 8 checks instead of one.

Assume the critter has a power set list that powers are added too on load. The powers must be added to the list one at a time. So instead of three checks that add a set of x powers, there will now be eight checks that add a power each.

For example, before it would be
If standard
add 1, add 2, add 3
If difficult
add 1, add 2, add 3, add 4
etc.

Now it would be
add 1
If powerbyte & POWER2
add 2
If powerbyte & POWER3
add 3

So even the code would change little at all. I would assume that good programmers would add a linked list of powers available, rather than checking each second.

Aggelakis · 05-28-2009 10:30 PM

Custom power selections are on test right now, if you didn't realize.

All critters must take the first two powers of each set. Then, based on rank and difficulty, you can add powers up to what is maximum allowed for that rank/diff. You can't, for instance, give Energy Blast's Tier 9, Nova, to a minion.

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Lazarus · 06-09-2009 03:44 PM

Rather than starting a new thread, I'm going to update this one with the new power lists. Be back soon.

Lazarus · 06-09-2009 03:59 PM

Here are the Custom Minion Power Sets as they currently are on test (06/09/09).

This is both Primary and Secondary Powersets; MINIONS ONLY

+ = added at Hard
++ = added at Extreme
+++ = allowed by Custom
() = level given at

BLAST SETS
*Archery
Snap Shot (1)
Aimed Shot (2)
+Explosive Arrow (20)
+Stunning Shot (35)
++Rain of Arrows (38)

*Assault Rifle
Burst (1)
Slug (1)
+M30 Grenade (6)
+Beanbag (8)
++Full Auto (32)

*Dark Blast
Dark Blast (1)
Gloom (2)
+Dark Pit (10)
+Torrent (28)

*Electrical Blast
Charged Bolts (1)
Lightning Bolt (2)
+Short Circuit (10)
+Tesla Cage (28)
+Voltaic Sentinel (35)

*Energy Blast
Power Bolt (1)
Power Blast (1)
+Explosive Blast (20)

*Fire Blast
Flares (1)
Fire Blast (1)
+Fire Ball (2)
+Rain of Fire (6)

*Ice Blast
Ice Bolt (1)
Ice Blast (2)
+Freeze Ray (16)
+Ice Storm (20)

*Psychic Blast
Mental Blast (1)
Subdue (2)
+Psychic Scream (10)
+Scramble Thoughts (35)

*Radiation Blast
Neutrino Bolt (1)
X-Ray Beam (2)
+Irradiate (4)
+Neutron Bomb (35)

*Sonic Attack
Shriek (1)
Scream (2)
+Shockwave (10)
+Siren's Song (28)

ASSAULT SETS
*Electricity Assault
Charged Bolts (1)
Lightning Bolt (4)
++Zapp (20)
+Static Discharge (28)
+Voltaic Sentinel (38)

*Energy Assault
Power Bolt (1)
+Power Push (4)
Power Blast (10)
+Whirling Hands (20)
++Sniper Blast (35)

*Fiery Assault
Flares (1)
+Fire Breath (4)
Fire Blast (10)
+Combustion (20)
++Consume (28)

*Icy Assault
Ice Bolt (1)
+Ice Sword Circle (4)
Ice Blast (10)
+Frost Breath (20)
++Chilling Embrace (28)

*Psionic Assault
Psionic Dart (1)
+Telekinetic Thrust (4)
Mental Blast (10)
+Psychic Scream (16)
++Psionic Lance (35)

*Thorny Assault
Thorny Darts (1)
+Fling Thorns (4)
Impale (10)
+Thorn Burst (20)
++Thorntrops (28)

MELEE SETS
*Battle Axe
Beheader (1)
Throwing Knives (1)
+Gash (2)
+Whirling Axe (18)
++Pendulum (32)

*Broadsword
Slash (1)
Throwing Knives (1)
+Slice (2)
+Parry (8)
++Whirling Sword (18)

*Claws
Swipe (1)
Focus (1)
++Spin (6)
+Shockwave (32)

*Dark Melee
Shadow Punch (1)
Gloom (2)
+Siphon Life (8)
++Dark Consumption (18)

*Dual Blades
Nimble Slash (1)
+Power Slice (1)
Throwing Knives (1)
+Typhoon's Edge (6)
++One Thousand Cuts (32)

*Electrical Melee
Charged Brawl (1)
Lightning Bolt (2)
+Jacob's Ladder (2)
+Lightning Clap (26)
++Lightning Rod (32)

*Energy Melee
Barrage (1)
Power Blast (1)
+Whirling Hands (8)

*Firey Melee
Scorch (1)
Fire Blast (1)
+Incinerate (8)
+Breath of Fire (18)
++Fire Sword Circle (26)

*Ice Melee
Frozen Fists (1)
Ice Blast (2)
+Frost (4)
+Ice Patch (20)
++Frozen Aura (38)

*Katana
Gambler's Cut (1)
Shuriken (1)
+Flashing Steel (2)
+Divine Avalanche (8)
++The Lotus Drops (18)

*Martial Arts
Thunder Kick (1)
Shuriken (1)
+Cobra Strike (2)
+Crippling Axe Kick (18)
++Dragon's Tail (26)

*Spines
Barb Swipe (1)
Impale (1)
++Spine Burst (2)

*Stone Melee
Stone Fist (1)
Hurl Boulder (1)
+Fault (8)

*Super Strength
Jab (1)
Hurl [Level 1, for some reason this line makes the forums throw a fit!]
++Handclap (6)
+Footstomp (32)

*War Mace
Bash (1)
Throwing Knives (1)
+Jawbreaker (2)
+Whirling Mace (16)
++Crowd Control (32)

CONTROL SETS
*Earth Control
Stone Prison (1)
Fossilize (1)
+Stone Cages (2)

*Fire Control
Ring of Fire (1)
Char (1)
+Fire Cages (2)

*Gravity Control
Crush (1)
Lift (1)
Gravity Distortion (2)
+Crushing Field (8)

*Ice Control
Chilblain (1)
Block of Ice (1)
+Frostbite (2)
+Shiver (8)

*Illusion Control
Spectral Wounds (1)
Blind (1)

*Mind Control
Mesmerize (1)
Levitate (1)
Dominate (2)

*Plant Control
Entangle (1)
Strangler (1)
+Roots (2)
++Spirit Tree (12)

MASTERMIND SETS
*Mercenaries
Burst (1)
Soldiers (1)
Slug (2)
+M30 Grenade (8)

*Necromancy
Dark Blast (1)
Zombie Hoard (1)
Gloom (2)
+Life Drain (8)
++Soul Extraction (18)

*Ninjas
Snap Shot (1)
Call Genin (1)
Aimed Shot (2)
+Fistful of Arrows (8)

*Robotics
Pulse Rifle Blast (1)
Battle Drones (1)
Pulse Rifle Burst (2)
+Photon Grenade (8)
+Repair (18)

*Thugs
Pistols (1)
Call Thugs (1)
Dual Wield (2)
+Empty Clips (8)

DEFENSE/RESISTANCE SETS
*Dark Armor
Dark Embrace (1)
+Dark Regeneration (20)
+Cloak of Darkness (20)

*Electric Armor
Charged Armor (1)
+Lightning Reflexes (20)
+Conserve Power (21)
+Power Sink (30)

*Energy Aura
Kinetic Shield (1)
Dampening Field (2)
+Energy Drain (28)

*Fiery Aura
Fire Shield (1)
+Healing Flames (5)
+Consume (20)

*Ice Armor
Frozen Armor (1)
+Hoarfrost (1)
+Energy Absorption (30)

*Invulnerability
Temp Invulnernability (1)
+Dull Pain (2)

*Ninjistu
Hide (1)
Ninja Reflexes (1)
+Kuji-In Sha (20)

*Regeneration
Fast Healing (1)
+Reconstruction (2)
Quick Recovery (4)
+Dull Pain (10)

*Shield Defense
Deflection (1)
Battle Agility (1)

*Stone Armor
Rock Armor (1)
+Earth's Embrace (2)

*Super Reflexes
Focused Fighting (1)
Focused Senses (1)

*Willpower
Mind Over Body (1)
+Quick Recovery (12)

BUFFING/DEBUFFING SETS
*Cold Domination
Infrigidate (1)
+Benumb (18)

*Dark Miasma
Twilight Grasp (1)
+Darkest Night (2)
+Shadowfall (8)

*Empathy
Heal Other (1)
+Healing Aura (1)

*Force Field
+Deflection Shield (1)
Force Bolt (2)

*Kinetics
Siphon Power (1)
+Transfusion (1)
+Siphon Speed (6)

*Pain Domination
Soothe (1)
+Nullify Pain (1)

*Poison
Alkaloid (1)
+Weaken (4)

*Radiation Emission
Radiant Aura (1)
+Radiation Infection (1)
+Accelerate Metabolism (2)

*Sonic Resonance
Sonic Siphon (1)
+Sonic Barrier (1)

*Storm Summoning
Gale (1)
O2 Boost (1)

*Thermal Radiation
+Warmth (1)
Cauterize (4)

*Trick Arrow
Entangling Arrow (1)
+Flash Arrow (1)

MANIPULATION SETS
*Devices
Web Grenade (1)
+Targeting Drone (10)

*Electricity Manipulation
Electric Fence (1)
Charged Brawl (2)
+Lightning Clap (20)

*Energy Manipulation
Power Thrust (1)
Bone Smasher (10)
+Stun (20)

*Fire Manipulation
Ring of Fire (1)
Fire Sword (2)
+Combustion (4)
++Fire Sword Circle (10)

*Ice Manipulation
Chilblain (1)
Frozen Fists (2)
+Chilling Embrace (10)
++Ice Patch (20)
+Shiver (28)

*Mental Manipulation
Subdual (1)
Mind Probe (2)
+Drain Psyche (20)
++Scare (35)

And that's all the minion powers. I'm rather disappointed actually, in the previous patch Custom allowed you to pick some powers outside the Extreme setting. Now we are limited to between Standard and Extreme, but what if you don't want your Minion having a Tier-9 for their 4th attack and wanted to pick a tier-5 instead that is a weaker attack? Still a lot of these choices seem to be rather arbitrary.

Lazarus · 06-09-2009 04:01 PM

Here are the Custom Lieutenant Power Sets as they currently are on test (06/09/09).

This is both Primary and Secondary Powersets; Lieutenants ONLY

+ = added at Hard
++ = added at Extreme
+++ = allowed by Custom
() = level given at

BLAST SETS
*Archery
Snap Shot (1)
Aimed Shot (2)
Fistful of Arrows (4)
+Aim (16)
+Explosive Arrow (20)
+Stunning Shot (35)
++Rain of Arrows (38)

*Assault Rifle
Burst (1)
Slug (1)
Buckshot (2)
+M30 Grenade (6)
+Beanbag (8)
+Ignite (26)
++Full Auto (32)

*Dark Blast
Dark Blast (1)
Gloom (2)
+Dark Pit (10)
Night Fall (20)
+Torrent (28)
+Life Drain (35)
++Blackstar (38)

*Electrical Blast
Charged Bolts (1)
Lightning Bolt (2)
Ball Lightning (4)
+Short Circuit (10)
+Aim (16)
+Tesla Cage (28)
+Voltaic Sentinel (35)
++Thunderous Blast (38)

*Energy Blast
Power Bolt (1)
Power Blast (1)
Energy Torrent (10)
+Aim (20)
+Explosive Blast (20)
++Nova (35)

*Fire Blast
Flares (1)
Fire Blast (1)
+Fire Ball (2)
+Rain of Fire (6)
Fire Breath (8)
+Aim (12)
++Inferno (32)

*Ice Blast
Ice Bolt (1)
Ice Blast (2)
Frost Breath (4)
+Freeze Ray (10)
+Aim (16)
+Ice Storm (20)
++Blizzard (38)

*Psychic Blast
Mental Blast (1)
Subdue (2)
+Psychic Scream (10)
Telekinetic Blast (16)
+Psionic Tornado (28)
+Scramble Thoughts (35)
++Psychic Wail (38)

*Radiation Blast
Neutrino Bolt (1)
X-Ray Beam (2)
+Irradiate (4)
Electron Haze (10)
++Proton Volley (16)
+Aim (20)
+Neutron Bomb (35)
++Atomic Blast (38)

*Sonic Attack
Shriek (1)
Scream (2)
Howl (4)
+Shockwave (10)
+Amplify [Aim] (20)
+Siren's Song (28)
++Dreadful Wail (38)

ASSAULT SETS
*Electricity Assault
Charged Bolts (1)
Charged Brawl (2)
Lightning Bolt (4)
+Build Up (16)
++Zapp (20)
+Static Discharge (28)
++Thunder Strike (35)
+Voltaic Sentinel (38)

*Energy Assault
Power Bolt (1)
Bone Smasher (2)
+Power Push (4)
Power Blast (10)
+Power Boost (16)
+Whirling Hands (20)
++Total Focus (28)
++Sniper Blast (35)

*Fiery Assault
Flares (1)
Incinerate (2)
+Fire Breath (4)
Fire Blast (10)
+Fiery Embrace (16)
+Combustion (20)
++Consume (28)
++Blazing Bolt (35)

*Icy Assault
Ice Bolt (1)
Ice Sword (2)
+Ice Sword Circle (4)
Ice Blast (10)
+Power Boost (16)
+Frost Breath (20)
++Chilling Embrace (28)
++Bitter Ice Blast (38)

*Psionic Assault
Psionic Dart (1)
Mind Probe (2)
+Telekinetic Thrust (4)
Mental Blast (10)
+Psychic Scream (16)
+Drain Psyche (20)
++Psionic Lance (35)
++Psychic Shockwave (38)

*Thorny Assault
Thorny Darts (1)
Skewer (2)
+Fling Thorns (4)
Impale (10)
+Aim (16)
+Thorn Burst (20)
+Thorntrops (28)
++Ripper (35)

MELEE SETS
*Battle Axe
Beheader (1)
Chop (1)
Throwing Knives (1)
+Gash (2)
+Build Up (6)
+Whirling Axe (18)
++Cleave (26)
++Pendulum (32)

*Broadsword
Hack (1)
Slash (1)
Throwing Knives (1)
+Slice (2)
+Build Up (6)
+Parry (8)
++Whirling Sword (18)
++Headsplitter (32)

*Claws
Swipe (1)
Strike (1)
Focus (1)
++Spin (6)
+Follow Up (8)
++Eviscerate (26)
+Shockwave (32)

*Dark Melee
Shadow Punch (1)
Smite (1)
Gloom (2)
+Siphon Life (8)
++Dark Consumption (18)
+Soul Drain (26)
++Midnight Grasp (32)

*Dual Blades
Nimble Slash (1)
+Power Slice (1)
Throwing Knives (1)
Ablating Strike (2)
+Typhoon's Edge (6)
+Blinding Feint (8)
++Sweeping Strike (26)
++One Thousand Cuts (32)

*Electrical Melee
Charged Brawl (1)
Havoc Punch (1)
Lightning Bolt (2)
+Jacob's Ladder (2)
+Build Up (6)
++Thunder Strike (8)
+Lightning Clap (26)
++Lightning Rod (32)

*Energy Melee
Barrage (1)
Energy Punch (1)
Power Blast (1)
+Build Up (6)
+Whirling Hands (8)
++Total Focus (18)
++Energy Transfer (32)

*Firey Melee
Scorch (1)
Fire Sword (1)
Fire Blast (1)
+Build Up (6)
+Incinerate (8)
+Breath of Fire (18)
++Fire Sword Circle (26)
++Greater Fire Sword (32)

*Ice Melee
Frozen Fists (1)
Ice Sword (2)
Ice Blast (2)
+Frost (4)
+Build Up (16)
+Ice Patch (20)
++Freezing Touch (28)
++Frozen Aura (38)

*Katana
Sting of the Wasp (1)
Gambler's Cut (1)
Shuriken (1)
+Flashing Steel (2)
+Build Up (6)
+Divine Avalanche (8)
++The Lotus Drops (18)
++Golden Dragonfly (32)

*Martial Arts
Thunder Kick (1)
Storm Kick (1)
Shuriken (1)
+Cobra Strike (2)
+Focus Chi [Build Up] (6)
+Crippling Axe Kick (18)
++Dragon's Tail (26)
++Eagles Claw (32)

*Spines
Barb Swipe (1)
Lunge (1)
Impale (1)
+Build Up (6)
++Spine Burst (2)
++Ripper (26)

*Stone Melee
Stone Fist (1)
Heavy Stone Fist (1)
Hurl Boulder (1)
+Build Up (6)
+Fault (8)
++Seismic Smash (18)

*Super Strength
Jab (1)
Punch (1)
Hurl [Level 1]
++Handclap (6)
++Knockout Blow (8)
+Rage (18)
+Footstomp (32)

*War Mace
Bash (1)
Pulverize (1)
Throwing Knives (1)
+Jawbreaker (2)
+Build Up (6)
++Clobber (8)
+Whirling Mace (16)
++Crowd Control (32)

CONTROL SETS
*Earth Control
Stone Prison (1)
Fossilize (1)
+Stone Cages (2)
++Quicksand (8)
+Stalagmites (12)
+Earthquake (18)

*Fire Control
Ring of Fire (1)
Char (1)
+Fire Cages (2)
+Smoke (6)
+Flashfire (12)
++Bonefire (26)

*Gravity Control
Crush (1)
Lift (1)
Gravity Distortion (2)
Propel (6)
+Crushing Field (8)
++Dimension Shift (12)
+Wormhole (26)

*Ice Control
Chilblain (1)
Block of Ice (1)
+Frostbite (2)
+Arctic Air (6)
+Shiver (8)
++Ice Slice (12)
+Flash Freeze (18)

*Illusion Control
Spectral Wounds (1)
Blind (1)
++Deceive (2)
++Group Invisibility (12)
+Spectral Terror (26)

*Mind Control
Mesmerize (1)
Levitate (1)
Dominate (2)
++Confuse (6)
+Mass Hypnosis (8)
+Terrify (26)

*Plant Control
Entangle (1)
Strangler (1)
+Roots (2)
+Spore Burst (6)
+Seeds of Confusion (8)
++Spirit Tree (12)
+Carrion Creepers (26)

MASTERMIND SETS
*Mercenaries
Burst (1)
Soldiers (1)
Slug (2)
+M30 Grenade (8)
+Spec Ops (12)

*Necromancy
Dark Blast (1)
Zombie Hoard (1)
Gloom (2)
+Life Drain (8)
+Grave Knight (12)
++Soul Extraction (18)

*Ninjas
Snap Shot (1)
Call Genin (1)
Aimed Shot (2)
+Fistful of Arrows (8)
+Call Jounin (12)

*Robotics
Pulse Rifle Blast (1)
Battle Drones (1)
Pulse Rifle Burst (2)
+Photon Grenade (8)
+Protector Bots (12)
+Repair (18)

*Thugs
Pistols (1)
Call Thugs (1)
Dual Wield (2)
+Empty Clips (8)
+Call Enforcer (12)

DEFENSE/RESISTANCE SETS
*Dark Armor
Dark Embrace (1)
+Death Shroud (1)
Murky Cloud (5)
++Obsidian Shield (20)
+Dark Regeneration (20)
+Cloak of Darkness (20)
+Oppressive Gloom (30)

*Electric Armor
Charged Armor (1)
+Lightning Field (2)
Conductive Shield (4)
++Static Shield (10)
++Grounded (16)
+Lightning Reflexes (20)
+Conserve Power (21)
+Power Sink (30)

*Energy Aura
Kinetic Shield (1)
Dampening Field (2)
++Entropy Shield (10)
Energy Protection (16)
+Energy Drain (28)

*Fiery Aura
Fire Shield (1)
+Blazing Aura (1)
+Healing Flames (5)
Temperature Protection (10)
+Consume (20)
+Fiery Embrace (30)

*Ice Armor
Frozen Armor (1)
+Hoarfrost (1)
Permafrost (10)
+Chilling Embrace (10)
++Wet Ice (10)
+Icicles (10)
+Energy Absorption (30)

*Invulnerability
Resist Physical Damage (1)
Temp Invulnernability (1)
+Dull Pain (2)
++Unyielding (8)
+Invincibility (18)
Tough Hide (26)

*Ninjistu
Hide (1)
Ninja Reflexes (1)
Danger Sense (4)
+Caltrops (10)
++Kuji-In Rin (10)
+Kuji-In Sha (20)
+Smoke Flash (20)
+Blinding Powder (30)

*Regeneration
Fast Healing (1)
+Reconstruction (2)
Quick Recovery (4)
+Dull Pain (10)
++Integration (16)
Resilience (20)
++Revive (35)

*Shield Defense
Deflection (1)
Battle Agility (1)
True Grit (2)
++Active Defense (6)
+Against All Odds (8)
Phalanx Fighting (12)
+Grant Cover (18)

*Stone Armor
Rock Armor (1)
Stone Skin (1)
+Earth's Embrace (2)
+Mud Pots (6)
++Rooted (8)
Brimstone Armor (12)

*Super Reflexes
Focused Fighting (1)
Focused Senses (1)
Agile (4)
++Practiced Brawler (10)
Dodge (16)
Quickness (20)

*Willpower
High Pain Tolerance (1)
Mind Over Body (1)
Fast Healing (2)
++Indomitable Will (6)
+Rise to the Challenge (8)
+Quick Recovery (12)

BUFFING/DEBUFFING SETS
*Cold Domination
Infrigidate (1)
Ice Shield (1)
+Arctic Fog (12)
+Benumb (18)
++Sleet (26)

*Dark Miasma
Twilight Grasp (1)
++Tar Patch (1)
+Darkest Night (2)
+Shadowfall (8)
++Fearsome Stare (12)
Petrifying Gaze (18)

*Empathy
Heal Other (1)
+Healing Aura (1)
++Clear Mind (8)
+Fortitude (12)
+Recovery Aura (18)

*Force Field
+Deflection Shield (1)
Force Bolt (2)
+Dispersion Bubble (12)
+Aid Self (14)
Repulsion Bomb (26)

*Kinetics
+Transfusion (1)
Siphon Power (1)
+Transfusion (1)
+Siphon Speed (6)
+Speed Boost (12)
Transference (26)
++Fulcrum Shift (32)

*Pain Domination
Soothe (1)
+Nullify Pain (1)
++Enforced Morale (16)
+World of Pain (28)
++Anguishing Cry (35)

*Poison
Alkaloid (1)
+Envenom (2)
+Weaken (4)
++Antidote (20)
Paralytic Poison (28)

*Radiation Emission
Radiant Aura (1)
+Radiation Infection (1)
+Accelerate Metabolism (2)
+Enervating Field (6)
++Lingering Radiation (12)

*Sonic Resonance
Sonic Siphon (1)
+Sonic Barrier (1)
+Sonic Dispersion (12)
++Disruption Field (16)

*Storm Summoning
Gale (1)
O2 Boost (1)
+Snow Storm (2)
+Steamy Mist (6)
++Freezing Rain (8)
+Thunder Clap (18)
++Tornado (26)

*Thermal Radiation
+Warmth (1)
Thermal Shield (1)
Cauterize (4)
++Thaw (20)
+Forge (28)
++Heat Exhaustion (35)
++Melt Armor (38)

*Trick Arrow
Entangling Arrow (1)
+Flash Arrow (1)
++Glue Arrow (2)
Ice Arrow (6)
++Poison Gas Arrow (8)
+Acid Arrow (12)
+Disruption Arrow (18)

MANIPULATION SETS
*Devices
Web Grenade (1)
++Caltrops (2)
Taser (4)
+Targeting Drone (10)
+Smoke Grenade (16)

*Electricity Manipulation
Electric Fence (1)
Charged Brawl (2)
+Lighting Field (4)
Havoc Punch (10)
+Build Up (16)
+Lightning Clap (20)
++Power Sink (35)

*Energy Manipulation
Power Thrust (1)
+Build Up (4)
Bone Smasher (10)
+Stun (20)
+Power Boost (28)

*Fire Manipulation
Ring of Fire (1)
Fire Sword (2)
+Combustion (4)
++Fire Sword Circle (10)
+Build Up (16)

*Ice Manipulation
Chilblain (1)
Frozen Fists (2)
+Chilling Embrace (10)
+Build Up (16)
++Ice Patch (20)
+Shiver (28)
Freezing Touch (35)

*Mental Manipulation
Subdual (1)
Mind Probe (2)
Telekinetic Thrust (4)
Psychic Scream (10)
+Concentration [Build Up] (16)
+Drain Psyche (20)
++World of Confusion (28)
++Scare (35)

Once again, Custom doesn't allow us to pick anything outside of the Extreme range and these selections look so arbitrary. Suddenly Vengeful Strike was too powerful for Dual Blade so it gets Sweeping Strike? Dark Melee cannot have Shadow Maul but can have Midnight Grasp? Energy Melee is not allowed to take Bone Smasher but can have ENERGY TRANSFER? Which dartboard are you using to pick these with?

And Energy Aura still forbids Lieutenants from having any sort of defense against Fire and Cold damage. At least Confuse powers got moved out of Standard.

Lazarus · 06-09-2009 04:27 PM

Here are the Custom Boss Power Sets as they currently are on test (06/09/09).

This is both Primary and Secondary Powersets; BOSS ONLY

+ = added at Hard
++ = added at Extreme
+++ = allowed by Custom

BLAST SETS
*Archery
Snap Shot (1)
Aimed Shot (2)
Fistful of Arrows (4)
Blazing Arrow (10)
+Aim (16)
+Explosive Arrow (20)
+Stunning Shot (35)
++Rain of Arrows (38)

*Assault Rifle
Burst (1)
Slug (1)
Buckshot (2)
+M30 Grenade (6)
+Beanbag (8)
Flamethrower (18)
+Ignite (26)
++Full Auto (32)

*Dark Blast
Dark Blast (1)
Gloom (2)
+Dark Pit (10)
Tenebrous Tentacles (16)
Night Fall (20)
+Torrent (28)
+Life Drain (35)
++Blackstar (38)

*Electrical Blast
Charged Bolts (1)
Lightning Bolt (2)
Ball Lightning (4)
+Short Circuit (10)
+Aim (16)
+Tesla Cage (28)
+Voltaic Sentinel (35)
++Thunderous Blast (38)

*Energy Blast
Power Bolt (1)
Power Blast (1)
Energy Torrent (10)
Power Burst (10)
+Aim (20)
+Explosive Blast (20)
++Nova (35)

*Fire Blast
Flares (1)
Fire Blast (1)
+Fire Ball (2)
+Rain of Fire (6)
Fire Breath (8)
+Aim (12)
Blaze (18)
++Inferno (32)

*Ice Blast
Ice Bolt (1)
Ice Blast (2)
Frost Breath (4)
+Freeze Ray (10)
+Aim (16)
+Ice Storm (20)
Bitter Ice Blast (28)
++Blizzard (38)

*Psychic Blast
Mental Blast (1)
Subdue (2)
+Psychic Scream (10)
Telekinetic Blast (16)
Will Domination (20)
+Psionic Tornado (28)
+Scramble Thoughts (35)
++Psychic Wail (38)

*Radiation Blast
Neutrino Bolt (1)
X-Ray Beam (2)
+Irradiate (4)
Electron Haze (10)
++Proton Volley (16)
+Aim (20)
Cosmic Burst (28)
+Neutron Bomb (35)
++Atomic Blast (38)

*Sonic Attack
Shriek (1)
Scream (2)
Howl (4)
+Shockwave (10)
Shout (16)
+Amplify [Aim] (20)
+Siren's Song (28)
++Dreadful Wail (38)

ASSAULT SETS
*Electricity Assault
Charged Bolts (1)
Charged Brawl (2)
Lightning Bolt (4)
Havoc Punch (10)
+Build Up (16)
++Zapp (20)
+Static Discharge (28)
++Thunder Strike (35)
+Voltaic Sentinel (38)

*Energy Assault
Power Bolt (1)
Bone Smasher (2)
+Power Push (4)
Power Blast (10)
+Power Boost (16)
+Whirling Hands (20)
++Total Focus (28)
++Sniper Blast (35)
Power Burst (38)

*Fiery Assault
Flares (1)
Incinerate (2)
+Fire Breath (4)
Fire Blast (10)
+Fiery Embrace (16)
+Combustion (20)
++Consume (28)
++Blazing Bolt (35)
Blaze (38)

*Icy Assault
Ice Bolt (1)
Ice Sword (2)
+Ice Sword Circle (4)
Ice Blast (10)
+Power Boost (16)
+Frost Breath (20)
++Chilling Embrace (28)
Ice Slash (35)
++Bitter Ice Blast (38)

*Psionic Assault
Psionic Dart (1)
Mind Probe (2)
+Telekinetic Thrust (4)
Mental Blast (10)
+Psychic Scream (16)
+Drain Psyche (20)
Subdue (28)
++Psionic Lance (35)
++Psychic Shockwave (38)

*Thorny Assault
Thorny Darts (1)
Skewer (2)
+Fling Thorns (4)
Impale (10)
+Aim (16)
+Thorn Burst (20)
+Thorntrops (28)
++Ripper (35)
Thorn Barrage (38)

MELEE SETS
*Battle Axe
Beheader (1)
Chop (1)
Throwing Knives (1)
+Gash (2)
+Build Up (6)
Swoop (8)
+Whirling Axe (18)
++Cleave (26)
++Pendulum (32)

*Broadsword
Hack (1)
Slash (1)
Throwing Knives (1)
+Slice (2)
+Build Up (6)
+Parry (8)
++Whirling Sword (18)
Disembowel (26)
++Headsplitter (32)

*Claws
Swipe (1)
Strike (1)
Focus (1)
Slash (2)
++Spin (6)
+Follow Up (8)
++Eviscerate (26)
+Shockwave (32)

*Dark Melee
Shadow Punch (1)
Smite (1)
Gloom (2)
Shadow Maul (2)
+Siphon Life (8)
++Dark Consumption (18)
+Soul Drain (26)
++Midnight Grasp (32)

*Dual Blades
Nimble Slash (1)
+Power Slice (1)
Throwing Knives (1)
Ablating Strike (2)
+Typhoon's Edge (6)
+Blinding Feint (8)
Vengeful Slice (18)
++Sweeping Strike (26)
++One Thousand Cuts (32)

*Electrical Melee
Charged Brawl (1)
Havoc Punch (1)
Lightning Bolt (2)
+Jacob's Ladder (2)
+Build Up (6)
++Thunder Strike (8)
Chain Induction (18)
+Lightning Clap (26)
++Lightning Rod (32)

*Energy Melee
Barrage (1)
Energy Punch (1)
Power Blast (1)
Bone Smasher (2)
+Build Up (6)
+Whirling Hands (8)
++Total Focus (18)
++Energy Transfer (32)

*Firey Melee
Scorch (1)
Fire Sword (1)
Fire Blast (1)
Cremate (2)
+Build Up (6)
+Incinerate (8)
+Breath of Fire (18)
++Fire Sword Circle (26)
++Greater Fire Sword (32)

*Ice Melee
Frozen Fists (1)
Ice Sword (2)
Ice Blast (2)
+Frost (4)
+Build Up (16)
+Ice Patch (20)
++Freezing Touch (28)
Greater Ice Sword (35)
++Frozen Aura (38)

*Katana
Sting of the Wasp (1)
Gambler's Cut (1)
Shuriken (1)
+Flashing Steel (2)
+Build Up (6)
+Divine Avalanche (8)
++The Lotus Drops (18)
Soaring Dragon (26)
++Golden Dragonfly (32)

*Martial Arts
Thunder Kick (1)
Storm Kick (1)
Shuriken (1)
+Cobra Strike (2)
+Focus Chi [Build Up] (6)
Crane Kick (8)
+Crippling Axe Kick (18)
++Dragon's Tail (26)
++Eagles Claw (32)

*Spines
Barb Swipe (1)
Lunge (1)
Impale (1)
+Build Up (6)
++Spine Burst (2)
++Ripper (26)
Throw Spines (32)

*Stone Melee
Stone Fist (1)
Heavy Stone Fist (1)
Hurl Boulder (1)
+Build Up (6)
+Fault (8)
++Seismic Smash (18)
Tremor (32)

*Super Strength
Jab (1)
Punch (1)
Hurl [Level 1]
Haymaker (2)
++Handclap (6)
++Knockout Blow (8)
+Rage (18)
+Footstomp (32)

*War Mace
Bash (1)
Pulverize (1)
Throwing Knives (1)
+Jawbreaker (2)
+Build Up (6)
++Clobber (8)
+Whirling Mace (16)
Shatter (26)
++Crowd Control (32)

CONTROL SETS
*Earth Control
Stone Prison (1)
Fossilize (1)
+Stone Cages (2)
++Quicksand (8)
+Stalagmites (12)
+Earthquake (18)
Volcanic Gases (26)
+Animate Stone (32)

*Fire Control
Ring of Fire (1)
Char (1)
+Fire Cages (2)
+Smoke (6)
+Flashfire (12)
Cinders (18)
++Bonefire (26)
+Fire Imps (32)

*Gravity Control
Crush (1)
Lift (1)
Gravity Distortion (2)
Propel (6)
+Crushing Field (8)
++Dimension Shift (12)
Gravity Distortion Field (18)
+Wormhole (26)
+Singularity (32)

*Ice Control
Chilblain (1)
Block of Ice (1)
+Frostbite (2)
+Arctic Air (6)
+Shiver (8)
++Ice Slice (12)
+Flash Freeze (18)
Glacier (26)
+Jack Frost (32)

*Illusion Control
Spectral Wounds (1)
Blind (1)
++Deceive (2)
Flash (6)
++Group Invisibility (12)
++Phantom Army (18)
+Spectral Terror (26)
+Phantasm (32)

*Mind Control
Mesmerize (1)
Levitate (1)
Dominate (2)
++Confuse (6)
+Mass Hypnosis (8)
Total Domination (18)
+Terrify (26)
++Mass Confusion (32)

*Plant Control
Entangle (1)
Strangler (1)
+Roots (2)
+Spore Burst (6)
+Seeds of Confusion (8)
++Spirit Tree (12)
Vines (18)
+Carrion Creepers (26)
+Fly Trap (32)

MASTERMIND SETS
*Mercenaries
Burst (1)
Soldiers (1)
Slug (2)
+M30 Grenade (8)
+Spec Ops (12)
++Commando (32)

*Necromancy
Dark Blast (1)
Zombie Hoard (1)
Gloom (2)
+Life Drain (8)
+Grave Knight (12)
++Soul Extraction (18)
++Lich (32)

*Ninjas
Snap Shot (1)
Call Genin (1)
Aimed Shot (2)
+Fistful of Arrows (8)
+Call Jounin (12)
++Oni (32)

*Robotics
Pulse Rifle Blast (1)
Battle Drones (1)
Pulse Rifle Burst (2)
+Photon Grenade (8)
+Protector Bots (12)
+Repair (18)
++Assault Bot (32)

*Thugs
Pistols (1)
Call Thugs (1)
Dual Wield (2)
+Empty Clips (8)
+Call Enforcer (12)
++Gang War (18)
++Call Bruiser (32)

DEFENSE/RESISTANCE SETS
*Dark Armor
Dark Embrace (1)
+Death Shroud (1)
Murky Cloud (5)
++Obsidian Shield (20)
+Dark Regeneration (20)
+Cloak of Darkness (20)
+Oppressive Gloom (30)
++Soul Transfer (35)

*Electric Armor
Charged Armor (1)
+Lightning Field (2)
Conductive Shield (4)
++Static Shield (10)
++Grounded (16)
+Lightning Reflexes (20)
+Conserve Power (21)
+Power Sink (30)
++Power Surge (38)

*Energy Aura
Kinetic Shield (1)
Dampening Field (2)
Power Shield (4)
++Entropy Shield (10)
Energy Protection (16)
+Energy Drain (28)
++Overload (38)

*Fiery Aura
Fire Shield (1)
+Blazing Aura (1)
+Healing Flames (5)
Temperature Protection (10)
Plasma Shield (20)
+Consume (20)
++Burn (20)
+Fiery Embrace (30)
++Rise of the Phoenix (35)

*Ice Armor
Frozen Armor (1)
+Hoarfrost (1)
Permafrost (10)
+Chilling Embrace (10)
++Wet Ice (10)
+Icicles (10)
Glacial Armor (20)
+Energy Absorption (30)
++Hibernate (35)

*Invulnerability
Resist Physical Damage (1)
Temp Invulnernability (1)
+Dull Pain (2)
Resist Elements (6)
++Unyielding (8)
Resist Energies (12)
+Invincibility (18)
Tough Hide (26)
++Unstoppable (32)

*Ninjistu
Hide (1)
Ninja Reflexes (1)
Danger Sense (4)
+Caltrops (10)
++Kuji-In Rin (10)
+Kuji-In Sha (20)
+Smoke Flash (20)
+Blinding Powder (30)
++ Kuji-In Retsu (38)

*Regeneration
Fast Healing (1)
+Reconstruction (2)
Quick Recovery (4)
+Dull Pain (10)
++Integration (16)
Resilience (20)
++Revive (35)
++Moment of Glory (38)

*Shield Defense
Deflection (1)
Battle Agility (1)
True Grit (2)
++Active Defense (6)
+Against All Odds (8)
Phalanx Fighting (12)
+Grant Cover (18)
++One with the Shield (32)

*Stone Armor
Rock Armor (1)
Stone Skin (1)
+Earth's Embrace (2)
+Mud Pots (6)
++Rooted (8)
Brimstone Armor (12)
Crystal Armor (18)
Minerals (26)
++Granite Armor (32)

*Super Reflexes
Focused Fighting (1)
Focused Senses (1)
Agile (4)
++Practiced Brawler (10)
Dodge (16)
Quickness (20)
Lucky (28)
Evasion (35)
Elude (38)

*Willpower
High Pain Tolerance (1)
Mind Over Body (1)
Fast Healing (2)
++Indomitable Will (6)
+Rise to the Challenge (8)
+Quick Recovery (12)
Heightened Senses (18)
++Resurgence (26)
++Strength of Will (32)

BUFFING/DEBUFFING SETS
*Cold Domination
Infrigidate (1)
Ice Shield (1)
+Arctic Fog (12)
+Benumb (18)
++Sleet (26)
++Heat Loss (32)

*Dark Miasma
Twilight Grasp (1)
++Tar Patch (1)
+Darkest Night (2)
+Shadowfall (8)
++Fearsome Stare (12)
Petrifying Gaze (18)
++Dark Servant (32)

*Empathy
Heal Other (1)
+Healing Aura (1)
++Clear Mind (8)
+Fortitude (12)
+Recovery Aura (18)

*Force Field
+Deflection Shield (1)
Force Bolt (2)
+Detention Field (8)
+Dispersion Bubble (12)
+Aid Self (14)
Repulsion Bomb (26)
++Force Bubble (32)

*Kinetics
+Transfusion (1)
Siphon Power (1)
+Transfusion (1)
+Siphon Speed (6)
+Speed Boost (12)
Transference (26)
++Fulcrum Shift (32)

*Pain Domination
Soothe (1)
+Nullify Pain (1)
++Enforced Morale (16)
+World of Pain (28)
++Anguishing Cry (35)
++Painbringer (38)

*Poison
Alkaloid (1)
+Envenom (2)
+Weaken (4)
Neurotoxic Breath (10)
++Antidote (20)
Paralytic Poison (28)

*Radiation Emission
Radiant Aura (1)
+Radiation Infection (1)
+Accelerate Metabolism (2)
+Enervating Field (6)
++Lingering Radiation (12)
++Choking Cloud (18)
++EM Pulse (32)

*Sonic Resonance
Sonic Siphon (1)
+Sonic Barrier (1)
+Sonic Dispersion (12)
++Disruption Field (16)
++Liquefy (32)

*Storm Summoning
Gale (1)
O2 Boost (1)
+Snow Storm (2)
+Steamy Mist (6)
++Freezing Rain (8)
++Hurricane (12)
+Thunder Clap (18)
++Tornado (26)
++Lightning Storm (32)

*Thermal Radiation
+Warmth (1)
Thermal Shield (1)
Cauterize (4)
++Thaw (20)
+Forge (28)
++Heat Exhaustion (35)
++Melt Armor (38)

*Trick Arrow
Entangling Arrow (1)
+Flash Arrow (1)
++Glue Arrow (2)
Ice Arrow (6)
++Poison Gas Arrow (8)
+Acid Arrow (12)
+Disruption Arrow (18)
++Oil Slick Arrow (26)
++EMP Arrow (32)

MANIPULATION SETS
*Devices
Web Grenade (1)
++Caltrops (2)
Taser (4)
+Targeting Drone (10)
+Smoke Grenade (16)
++Gun Drone (38)

*Electricity Manipulation
Electric Fence (1)
Charged Brawl (2)
+Lighting Field (4)
Havoc Punch (10)
+Build Up (16)
+Lightning Clap (20)
Thunder Strike (28)
++Power Sink (35)

*Energy Manipulation
Power Thrust (1)
+Build Up (4)
Bone Smasher (10)
+Stun (20)
+Power Boost (28)
Total Focus (38)

*Fire Manipulation
Ring of Fire (1)
Fire Sword (2)
+Combustion (4)
++Fire Sword Circle (10)
+Build Up (16)
++Hot Feet (38)

*Ice Manipulation
Chilblain (1)
Frozen Fists (2)
Ice Sword (4)
+Chilling Embrace (10)
+Build Up (16)
++Ice Patch (20)
+Shiver (28)
Freezing Touch (35)

*Mental Manipulation
Subdual (1)
Mind Probe (2)
Telekinetic Thrust (4)
Psychic Scream (10)
+Concentration [Build Up] (16)
+Drain Psyche (20)
++World of Confusion (28)
++Scare (35)
Psychic Shockwave (38)

Once again Devs, so close yet so far. The only difference now between Boss and Lieutenant is that a Boss gets that one attack forbidden to Lieutenants and Minions on Standard. Some of these make no sense for why they are reserved for Bosses. Also, all they did for War Mace was trade Clobber for Shatter? Sure, Shatter doesn't have the Mag 3 stun but it only does a little less damage and is a cone instead of single-target. WTF?

I don't see why Flash is a Boss only power for Illusion Control, I think if a Trick Arrow LT can have Flash Arrow, an Illusion LT ought to be able to have Flash.

I do like that Gang War is a Boss only power now. That was too easily abused for no good reason.

Now the Defense and Resistance sets have a lot of oddities. Why is Revive available to Regen LTs when all the other sets only allow the bosses to have self-rezz powers? Also there is a lot of variation with the Tier-9 "God Mode" powers, they're showing up at either 32, 25, or 38. Can we get these all standardized to 35 maybe?

The power selections for the Manipulation Sets make little sense at all.

Darth_Khasei · 06-09-2009 05:14 PM

Why did they delete your thread? Is it because it had THE solution to this issue, so instead they are just going to be too stubborn and push "their" version through anyway?

The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.

Redlynne · 06-09-2009 05:16 PM

Magic 8-ball says "answer hazy, try again later."

It's the end. But the moment has been prepared for ...

Lazarus · 06-09-2009 05:26 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Why did they delete your thread? Is it because it had THE solution to this issue, so instead they are just going to be too stubborn and push "their" version through anyway?

[/ QUOTE ]

SUNSTORM'S thread was the one that was purged. Mine has been sitting here the entire time and didn't go anywhere.

Mystic_Fortune · 06-09-2009 05:46 PM

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Here are the Custom Lieutenant Power Sets as they currently are on test (09/09/09).

[/ QUOTE ]

A time traveler, get 'em!

P.S. Thanks for compiling these lists .

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Darth_Khasei · 06-09-2009 06:00 PM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Why did they delete your thread? Is it because it had THE solution to this issue, so instead they are just going to be too stubborn and push "their" version through anyway?

[/ QUOTE ]

SUNSTORM'S thread was the one that was purged. Mine has been sitting here the entire time and didn't go anywhere.

[/ QUOTE ]

Oh my bad. Well, any idea if they will make the proposed changes you did WAY too much work to be ignored IMHO.

The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.

Lazarus · 06-09-2009 07:33 PM

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