Windows 7 and City of Heroes
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Adar_ICT,
Posted on: 2009-01-11 08:37 in ALL ACCESS Gameplay Technical Issues Bugs
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add to this the fact that the OS in general is a memory [censored] that wants 2gb of ram to run ITSELF, it means that only higher end machines can run it decently. others would have to upgrade their machines.
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Although I agree with much of what you said, it's actually false. Vista did not require 2GB of RAM to run itself, the amount of RAM it uses is based on YOUR usage. You should probably look up some info on pre-fetching. A quick explanation is Vista loads a lot of the things you normally run into memory as cache. What this does is allows the software you use every day to load a lot faster (Does this actually work? Not as well as was boasted).
That is why it loads up on memory usage. The problem is, Microsoft did such a horrible job implementing it.
Hope that clears it up for you 
We'll see....
Damn, that's the second time in two days I posted on the wrong thread.
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I think you meant this post to be in another thread Father LOL 
We'll see....
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This is actually what I consider to be one of the cool features of Windows 7. The fact that it's able to run rather smoothly on older hardware, unlike Vista. Taking the time to read as much info on Windows 7 as one can find, you'll notice a lot of the reviews and such show really good feedback in regards to running on older hardware. Coupled with how well it runs with newer hardware, it appears to be very versatile.
Unless Microsoft drops the ball between now and and it's release, it looks like Windows 7 is shaping up to be a fantastic OS
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If an OS is able to run well on older hardware (which is likely what the majority of potential consumers for that OS would have), I'd consider it a success unless it's marred by software issues. I installed the W7 beta on an older Athlon 64 machine (single-core 2.4GHz, 2GB RAM) and it runs smoothly. I've heard of even older machines running it well - this automatically makes it better than Vista in my book. Forced obsolescence is a bad thing, especially if it's over the span of only a few years.
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"One day we all may see each other elsewhere. In Tyria, in Azeroth. We may pass each other and never know it. And that's sad. But if nothing else, we'll still have Rhode Island."
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I'm running Windows 7 (build.7000) with an nVidia 8600GT with the unreleased 185.x drivers from nVidia. You can find them on Google. Windows 7 blows Vista (and even XP) out of the water in terms of speed.
If the benchmarks thus far are any indication of where Windows 7 is headed, it will definitely be the next XP. I think Microsoft glued the ball to their hand this time.
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Pretty much everything I've read about Vista suggests that it was a "half-finished" attempt at what Windows 7 is supposed to be. In other words Windows 7 was always the main goal but they realized it was going to take so long to complete that they released Vista as a sort of "placeholder" OS until the "real" OS was finally done. We can only hope that it will work out like that.
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Hmmm... Reminds me of some other OS in the past... *coughMEcough*
Just wanted to verify my last post that the crash I was getting was indeed the error 14 nVidia crash, so it looks like this bug still lurks around in Windows 7.
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another kick to the balls is that Microsoft will soon be cutting off support to Windows XP...kind of an incentive to buy vista or 7. *this is insider info from my father who works with computers for a living; I'll try to find an article to back this claim up*
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If 2014 is soon then yep they will be cutting it off, but till then we will still be getting security patches etc.
http://support.microsoft.com/lifecyc...=9&C2=1173
Heck, they are still supporting Windows 2000 to 07/13/2010
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Heck, they are still supporting Windows 2000 to 07/13/2010
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Good thing that, considering my company is struggling so hard we can't afford an electrician to come out and run a dedicated 220 line for a multipurpose printer, much less the cost of upgrading our 2K servers.
Be well, people of CoH.
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Although I agree with much of what you said, it's actually false. Vista did not require 2GB of RAM to run itself, the amount of RAM it uses is based on YOUR usage. You should probably look up some info on pre-fetching. A quick explanation is Vista loads a lot of the things you normally run into memory as cache. What this does is allows the software you use every day to load a lot faster (Does this actually work? Not as well as was boasted).
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I've been pretty happy with 7 overall except for one thing: City performs as if it needs more memory. My zone and mission load times have been long and when I click on the market, I typically freeze up for 30 seconds and then everything resumes and the market loads fine. Basically, the game feels like it did when I only had 1 gig of memory under XP; I currently have 2 gigs. I suspect that if I had 3, there would be no issues.
Possibly useless info for pure gamers:
Indications from tech sites is that Win7 will have far more brutal DRM than even Vista. Simple example is capturing audio streams. You can't without losses, or lossy workarounds or hacks. There is MUCH more to this subject, but I didn't bother to keep reading, as this freight train has been lighting the tunnel for a long while now.
I am not happy with an operating system that not only fails to facilitate whatever I am trying to do, but actually attempts to self-determine MY level of rights to my own content. Making archivals of DVDs that I own is relevant to me. I personally can circumvent anything they throw into Win 7, by using readily available hacks. Not so easy for Joe consumer that simply wants to get something done with his PC.
When the authority that validates your downloaded media is gone, so is your ability to use that media. Steam, Yahoo music, Itunes...... There are no promises of forever.
I do not know when the decision to use hardware (trusted computing platform), or an operating system (Digital Rights Mangling) to LIMIT your capabilities became a focus. I am certain that day was not a day to celebrate.
Windows 7 is the next level of lockdown, apparently.
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Possibly useless info for pure gamers:
Indications from tech sites is that Win7 will have far more brutal DRM than even Vista. Simple example is capturing audio streams. You can't without losses, or lossy workarounds or hacks. There is MUCH more to this subject, but I didn't bother to keep reading, as this freight train has been lighting the tunnel for a long while now.
I am not happy with an operating system that not only fails to facilitate whatever I am trying to do, but actually attempts to self-determine MY level of rights to my own content. Making archivals of DVDs that I own is relevant to me. I personally can circumvent anything they throw into Win 7, by using readily available hacks. Not so easy for Joe consumer that simply wants to get something done with his PC.
When the authority that validates your downloaded media is gone, so is your ability to use that media. Steam, Yahoo music, Itunes...... There are no promises of forever.
I do not know when the decision to use hardware (trusted computing platform), or an operating system (Digital Rights Mangling) to LIMIT your capabilities became a focus. I am certain that day was not a day to celebrate.
Windows 7 is the next level of lockdown, apparently.
[/ QUOTE ]Simpliest solution is dont download anything with DRM to begin with. I have never understood why folks [censored] about DRM so much. Its totally avoidable. I download good quality much on the internet all the time legally and I never buy stuff that has DRM to begin with.
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I have Windows 7, and I'm having problems I never had with XP. As I'm moving around ingame, colors will frequently flicker between the proper color and another color. For example, the pants one of my characters is wearing are dark red, but they will flicker to a light pink. This happens mostly to building colors. I will also get the entire screen to flicker while moving. This seems to happen more often when I have Sprint or Jet Pack activated, and I'm moving between buildings faster than the normal run speed.
The biggest problem is that every 10 min or so, the game will crash entirely. This is extremely frustrating, and seems to be random. I went for about an hour last night, and never crashed, while another time, I crashed three times in 10 minutes or so.
I have Windows 7, an AMD quad-core processor, and a NVIDIA N9600GT video card. Any suggestions would be helpful; if I'm missing information, let me know, but it'll be a few hours before I get home.
Which drivers are you running? It seems that at this time, different drivers are required to run different NVidia cards. For instance, I'm running the Win 7 pre-release drivers downloaded through Windows Update without any issues. Some others though have had to use some of the Vista drivers. Also, are you running 32-bit or 64-bit Windows? Was it a clean install, or an upgrade from Vista?
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I have Windows 7, and I'm having problems I never had with XP. As I'm moving around ingame, colors will frequently flicker between the proper color and another color. For example, the pants one of my characters is wearing are dark red, but they will flicker to a light pink. This happens mostly to building colors. I will also get the entire screen to flicker while moving. This seems to happen more often when I have Sprint or Jet Pack activated, and I'm moving between buildings faster than the normal run speed.
The biggest problem is that every 10 min or so, the game will crash entirely. This is extremely frustrating, and seems to be random. I went for about an hour last night, and never crashed, while another time, I crashed three times in 10 minutes or so.
I have Windows 7, an AMD quad-core processor, and a NVIDIA N9600GT video card. Any suggestions would be helpful; if I'm missing information, let me know, but it'll be a few hours before I get home.
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Which drivers are you running? It seems that at this time, different drivers are required to run different NVidia cards. For instance, I'm running the Win 7 pre-release drivers downloaded through Windows Update without any issues. Some others though have had to use some of the Vista drivers. Also, are you running 32-bit or 64-bit Windows? Was it a clean install, or an upgrade from Vista?
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The drivers are the ones that came with the download. It's the 64-bit version, and it was a brand new hard drive I installed it on. I tried searching for Windows update drivers, but I haven't found anything.
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Possibly useless info for pure gamers:
Indications from tech sites is that Win7 will have far more brutal DRM than even Vista. Simple example is capturing audio streams. You can't without losses, or lossy workarounds or hacks. There is MUCH more to this subject, but I didn't bother to keep reading, as this freight train has been lighting the tunnel for a long while now.
I am not happy with an operating system that not only fails to facilitate whatever I am trying to do, but actually attempts to self-determine MY level of rights to my own content. Making archivals of DVDs that I own is relevant to me. I personally can circumvent anything they throw into Win 7, by using readily available hacks. Not so easy for Joe consumer that simply wants to get something done with his PC.
When the authority that validates your downloaded media is gone, so is your ability to use that media. Steam, Yahoo music, Itunes...... There are no promises of forever.
I do not know when the decision to use hardware (trusted computing platform), or an operating system (Digital Rights Mangling) to LIMIT your capabilities became a focus. I am certain that day was not a day to celebrate.
Windows 7 is the next level of lockdown, apparently.
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For what its worth, typically any time you're using the same card to play and record audio, you will lose some quality (aside from the $$$$$ cards that are designed for that purpose). Also from what I've gathered (haven't tried myself yet), people saying that it isn't possible haven't turned it on in the control panel.
As far as the other DRM claims, I've yet to see any indication, but I haven't done anything that would require DRM to step in besides playing MP3s and videos.
All in all though, keep in mind that a lot of the DRM claims that are made by tech sites that are trying to push Linux forward by bad-mouthing Microsoft (not to say all, but the things I've seen it was pretty obvious what their goal was).
[Not a Windows fan persay, just wanted to offer a counterpoint]
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I want DRM and the content it facilitates to be -optional- plug ins, that I must approve and download, with full disclosure. An operating system should do my bidding by default, and if the content owners want me to use H.264 with DRM enforcement, I want that presented as an option. If using an analog piece of gear means getting no output, then that is not acceptable.
On the other hand, I hear the h.264 1080p unprotected blu-ray rip of Max Payne is quite acceptable, provided you don't mind it being illegal.
I would rather if we weren't forced into a choice between a pirated ease of use, and a legitamate pain in the [censored].
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Which drivers are you running? It seems that at this time, different drivers are required to run different NVidia cards. For instance, I'm running the Win 7 pre-release drivers downloaded through Windows Update without any issues. Some others though have had to use some of the Vista drivers. Also, are you running 32-bit or 64-bit Windows? Was it a clean install, or an upgrade from Vista?
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The drivers are the ones that came with the download. It's the 64-bit version, and it was a brand new hard drive I installed it on. I tried searching for Windows update drivers, but I haven't found anything.
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Hmmm, that's odd...unless it's already installed it, but the drivers should come up as an optional update when you open up Windows Update from either the Control Panel or the Action Center. If you right click on your desktop, is there an option for the NVidia Control Panel?
I had trouble with the windows update driver. I downloaded the 185's i think they are and got stable.
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Which drivers are you running? It seems that at this time, different drivers are required to run different NVidia cards. For instance, I'm running the Win 7 pre-release drivers downloaded through Windows Update without any issues. Some others though have had to use some of the Vista drivers. Also, are you running 32-bit or 64-bit Windows? Was it a clean install, or an upgrade from Vista?
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The drivers are the ones that came with the download. It's the 64-bit version, and it was a brand new hard drive I installed it on. I tried searching for Windows update drivers, but I haven't found anything.
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Hmmm, that's odd...unless it's already installed it, but the drivers should come up as an optional update when you open up Windows Update from either the Control Panel or the Action Center. If you right click on your desktop, is there an option for the NVidia Control Panel?
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I believe that update had to go through the control panel or dev. manager. (Been a bit.)
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Which drivers are you running? It seems that at this time, different drivers are required to run different NVidia cards. For instance, I'm running the Win 7 pre-release drivers downloaded through Windows Update without any issues. Some others though have had to use some of the Vista drivers. Also, are you running 32-bit or 64-bit Windows? Was it a clean install, or an upgrade from Vista?
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The drivers are the ones that came with the download. It's the 64-bit version, and it was a brand new hard drive I installed it on. I tried searching for Windows update drivers, but I haven't found anything.
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Hmmm, that's odd...unless it's already installed it, but the drivers should come up as an optional update when you open up Windows Update from either the Control Panel or the Action Center. If you right click on your desktop, is there an option for the NVidia Control Panel?
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I believe that update had to go through the control panel or dev. manager. (Been a bit.)
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'Twas definitely through Windows Update. Did it last weekend when I was finished experimenting with Vista drivers, none of which worked properly for my particular card lol
when downloading a OS beta install. What happens when the beta goes live? do you loose everything? what about activation keys how do they work. Will they go dead when the OS goes live?
I'm new to OS beta testing as you can see.
iirc the beta expires August 1 2009 and after that point you have to reinstall something else.
You don't 'lose' anything, data on the drive can still be read but you cannot boot that OS.
*hangs head* also reinstalled tonight....I somehow managed to break Windows Update, among other things (not sure how, between one Windows Defender update and an Live Messenger update things went a little bonkers), and a fresh install was just the least frustrating fix after all the fixes I researched led to dead ends. So, I can say with absolute certainty that the NVidia pre-release drivers are downloaded as an optional in Windows Update, which can be accessed either through the Control Panel or the Action Center.
I work in the IT industry myself.
Microsoft only was going to take xp off the shelves so people buying a new pc could only have vista...but due to the lack of interest in vista microsoft have extended and extended their XP CD sales for a longer period..more than likely though once windows 7 comes out that XP lifeline will be cut!
So fingers crossed they dont add anything stupid into the RTM version of 7