Windows 7 and City of Heroes
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Adar_ICT,
Posted on: 2009-01-11 08:37 in ALL ACCESS Gameplay Technical Issues Bugs
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Downloaded the 32bit ISO today but haven't burnt or installed it yet.
As I haven't heard of any radical improvements over vista, I don't have high hopes, but just as with vista, I'll run the beta for a while to see what's what.
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You need to pay more attention to the news 
There are benchmarks popping up that show it's a vast improvement over Vista and comes up above XP as well. That's pretty radical
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Searching around right now shows 7 beating Vista and XP on boot times. And that's about it.
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Hmmm interesting. Wonder why this shows differently.
We'll see....
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The point was that as their work grinded on they started realizing their goal (what will now become Windows 7) was so far in the future that they decided to throw Vista at us as a stopgap meaure knowing full well that it wasn't really what they had in mind. Remember that many of the features we are finally getting in Window 7 were originally advertised for Vista years ago.
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I can't help but disagree. Sure Microsoft isn't as user friendly as they come across but releasing Vista just to stall the community so they could make a finished product, is a bit on the extreme side of paranoia for the programming industry. I still see it as them realizing their "something different" product wasn't delivering what they originally intended and so made their way onto a product, a hybrid version of the original, that would hopefully correct what they were seeing Vista doing wrong.
Vista always was a gamble because you weren't taking a IP from anything else before hand and tweaking it. Sort of like XP to ME, not exactly the same but they both shared similarities. Vista had no predecessor and so in delivering something different, Microsoft was taking a chance. Judging by how the users reacted to this new product, was what I feel encouraged the "revamp".
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You are free to disagree with me all that you want.
But when many of the features that are coming in Windows 7 were promised for Vista years ago one can only assume that Windows 7 will finally be the OS they -wanted- Vista to be.
For all intents and purposes Vista was a "half-finished" Windows 7.
I don't fault them for trying to push it on us at all but at least I realize that was in fact what happened.
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Downloaded the 32bit ISO today but haven't burnt or installed it yet.
As I haven't heard of any radical improvements over vista, I don't have high hopes, but just as with vista, I'll run the beta for a while to see what's what.
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You need to pay more attention to the news There are benchmarks popping up that show it's a vast improvement over Vista and comes up above XP as well. That's pretty radical
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Searching around right now shows 7 beating Vista and XP on boot times. And that's about it.
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Hmmm interesting. Wonder why this shows differently.
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Dunno. And if there are other benchmarks out there showing the same thing, please post them, because my search-fu is failing to do so.
Seems a bit too glowing of a review to be trusted on its face.
Be well, people of CoH.
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Dunno. And if there are other benchmarks out there showing the same thing, please post them, because my search-fu is failing to do so.
Seems a bit too glowing of a review to be trusted on its face.
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It's an article from ZDNet, which to me immediately screams "disregard me!"
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I didn't need the compatible cursors option. I also noticed that with nVidia drivers through Windows Update, Aero wasn't turned off when CoH was launched. Pretty cool.
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Downloaded the 32bit ISO today but haven't burnt or installed it yet.
As I haven't heard of any radical improvements over vista, I don't have high hopes, but just as with vista, I'll run the beta for a while to see what's what.
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You need to pay more attention to the news There are benchmarks popping up that show it's a vast improvement over Vista and comes up above XP as well. That's pretty radical
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Searching around right now shows 7 beating Vista and XP on boot times. And that's about it.
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Hmmm interesting. Wonder why this shows differently.
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I'll get more excited when I see some gaming benchmarks...right now that's all just file system and installation stuff. Some of which might end up in Vista SP2 anyway 
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But when many of the features that are coming in Windows 7 were promised for Vista years ago one can only assume that Windows 7 will finally be the OS they -wanted- Vista to be.
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Well I don't doubt them wanting to have achieved something else other than what vista delivered. That much we can definitely agree on. I think they intended differently for Vista but didn't get what they thought they would achieve and so work into a better product started.
But I don't work for Microsoft so I don't know what they were thinking. I like Vista but I can agree that it needs lot of work and it appears Microsoft 7 is going to be just that.
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The point was that as their work grinded on they started realizing their goal (what will now become Windows 7) was so far in the future that they decided to throw Vista at us as a stopgap meaure knowing full well that it wasn't really what they had in mind. Remember that many of the features we are finally getting in Window 7 were originally advertised for Vista years ago.
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I can't help but disagree. Sure Microsoft isn't as user friendly as they come across but releasing Vista just to stall the community so they could make a finished product, is a bit on the extreme side of paranoia for the programming industry. I still see it as them realizing their "something different" product wasn't delivering what they originally intended and so made their way onto a product, a hybrid version of the original, that would hopefully correct what they were seeing Vista doing wrong.
Vista always was a gamble because you weren't taking a IP from anything else before hand and tweaking it. Sort of like XP to ME, not exactly the same but they both shared similarities. Vista had no predecessor and so in delivering something different, Microsoft was taking a chance. Judging by how the users reacted to this new product, was what I feel encouraged the "revamp".
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Vista was originally based on XP then they restarted it based on 2003 Server code.
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So why did Vista take so long? Microsoft will tell you that Vista has really only been in active development since mid-2004, when it "reset" the original Longhorn project and restarted development on the Windows Server 2003 code base. I'd argue that this is a convenient misstatement of the facts: Windows Vista is Longhorn and Longhorn is Windows Vista. In short, Microsoft did take five years to bring Longhorn--sorry, Windows Vista--to market.
As it turns out, the reason why is simple. Microsoft screwed up, plain and simple. Each version of Windows is based on the version that came before it and because Windows Vista was envisioned as a kitchen sink release that would include every major new feature imaginable, it eventually teetered and fell under the weight of the technology Microsoft was heaping upon it. That Vista is now based on the Windows Server 2003 code based and not that of Windows XP is meaningless. When the project started, back in 2001, it was based on Windows XP.
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So how is everyone installing this while on Windows 7? I'm using 32bit and am having problems with starting the updater and getting it to finish. Launching it is also an issue.
How is everyone else doing it?
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So how is everyone installing this while on Windows 7? I'm using 32bit and am having problems with starting the updater and getting it to finish. Launching it is also an issue.
How is everyone else doing it?
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And the issue is??? If the updater isn't finishing then you won't be able to launch it.
Error messages???
I'm using the 64 bit version of Win 7...haven't had a single issue with it. I just dropped a shortcut to my updater on the desktop, ran it, chose the drive that it was already installed on, and it was good to go. If you've already got a copy of the game on your computer, you may want to check out the link to the guide in BillZBubba's signature.
I think I'll be loading up Win7 on a spare HD for my gaming rig tonight.
I'm currently running it on a laptop with a celeron 1.73Ghz proc and 512MB of RAM and it is performing surprisingly well. I've installed nothing but the OS and Office 2K3. No chipset drivers, no video drivers, nada. No bangs in devman after OS install on a latitude d520.
I found the fix to allow outlook 2k3 to talk to exchange 2k as well. I had to enable Network Discovery for the domain. I assume the same fix would work for vista. Of course vista on a faster laptop was slow as carp when I recently tested it out.
I'll post any game issues I find with Win7 32bit later on tonight.
Be well, people of CoH.
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I've got 7 installed on a second HD and the ati drivers appear to be a mess in relation to playing CoX, no shader controls and when I try to turn on FSAA the screen whites out completely. Other than that Windows 7 seems great.
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I'm having the same problem. All other games I tested work without problems except for CoX. Windows 7 is alot faster and loads less services. My only other problem is that I can't get Daemon or Alcohol to work.
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...or Alcohol to work.
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It goes in your mouth not the computer 
But on a seriousness note, CoX always had problems with ATI. It maybe possible W7 is amplifying the affect. But it's only one of many culprits.
You probably need to wait for a newer version of Alcohol and/or Daemon Tools to be released - there were some major changes between Vista and Windows 7 in terms of the kernel, so they may need to be updated (same thing with antivirus programs).
Just curious, has anyone else experienced an issue with dual monitors and nVidia cards (I have an 8600GT) where running CoX in full-screen causes the monitors to switch randomly (e.g. the same thing is shown on both screens but only one of them actually "works")?
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You probably need to wait for a newer version of Alcohol and/or Daemon Tools to be released - there were some major changes between Vista and Windows 7 in terms of the kernel, so they may need to be updated (same thing with antivirus programs).
Just curious, has anyone else experienced an issue with dual monitors and nVidia cards (I have an 8600GT) where running CoX in full-screen causes the monitors to switch randomly (e.g. the same thing is shown on both screens but only one of them actually "works")?
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AVG antivirus 8 works without any problems.
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...or Alcohol to work.
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It goes in your mouth not the computer
But on a seriousness note, CoX always had problems with ATI. It maybe possible W7 is amplifying the affect. But it's only one of many culprits.
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I have been using Nvidia cards until the ATI 4000 came out. Did CoX have "white-outs" with the ATI drivers? In Win 7, all the colors seem white.
How many are checking this out on 64-bit?
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You probably need to wait for a newer version of Alcohol and/or Daemon Tools to be released - there were some major changes between Vista and Windows 7 in terms of the kernel, so they may need to be updated (same thing with antivirus programs).
Just curious, has anyone else experienced an issue with dual monitors and nVidia cards (I have an 8600GT) where running CoX in full-screen causes the monitors to switch randomly (e.g. the same thing is shown on both screens but only one of them actually "works")?
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AVG antivirus 8 works without any problems.
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AVG is one of 3 antivirus programs that's already been programmed to work with Windows 7. They've been working with Microsoft on it since the industry betas started apparently.
Yeah kind of funny that too. AVG was such an awesome system Microsoft wanted it :P I mean for a free Antivirus program when it was launched, it did exceptionally well.
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...or Alcohol to work.
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It goes in your mouth not the computer
But on a seriousness note, CoX always had problems with ATI. It maybe possible W7 is amplifying the affect. But it's only one of many culprits.
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I have been using Nvidia cards until the ATI 4000 came out. Did CoX have "white-outs" with the ATI drivers? In Win 7, all the colors seem white.
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Could be anything really that the OS is having a fit over. Onboard nvidia drivers maybe conflicting that the OS is not reading properly? Don't really know. 
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You probably need to wait for a newer version of Alcohol and/or Daemon Tools to be released - there were some major changes between Vista and Windows 7 in terms of the kernel, so they may need to be updated (same thing with antivirus programs).
Just curious, has anyone else experienced an issue with dual monitors and nVidia cards (I have an 8600GT) where running CoX in full-screen causes the monitors to switch randomly (e.g. the same thing is shown on both screens but only one of them actually "works")?
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AVG antivirus 8 works without any problems.
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AVG is one of 3 antivirus programs that's already been programmed to work with Windows 7. They've been working with Microsoft on it since the industry betas started apparently.
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Is there a list of programs that's suppose to work with Win 7?
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How many are checking this out on 64-bit?
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Only way to run Windows.
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Is there a list of programs that's suppose to work with Win 7?
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I've only seen the antivirus page, which can be found here.
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How many are checking this out on 64-bit?
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If there's a way to upgrade my Vista 32bit (which I feel I was a victim of false advertising and don't want to spend a hundred or so more to fix it right now) I'll probably upgrade to 7-64 towards release :3
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There are benchmarks popping up that show it's a vast improvement over Vista and comes up above XP as well. That's pretty radical 
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Downloaded the 32bit ISO today but haven't burnt or installed it yet.
As I haven't heard of any radical improvements over vista, I don't have high hopes, but just as with vista, I'll run the beta for a while to see what's what.
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You need to pay more attention to the news
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Searching around right now shows 7 beating Vista and XP on boot times. And that's about it.
Be well, people of CoH.