Windows 7 and City of Heroes
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Adar_ICT,
Posted on: 2009-01-11 08:37 in ALL ACCESS Gameplay Technical Issues Bugs
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I'm having the same problem. All other games I tested work without problems except for CoX.
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I found out why CoX doesn't work well with the Win7 ATI beta drivers... OpenGL isn't in yet. I was led to believe that the regular vista drivers would work on Win7 and on the whole that appears to be the case, however in CoX I get a flickering screen, almost a strobe effect.
There seems to be more than the usual problems with ATI drivers and Win7.
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How many are checking this out on 64-bit?
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How many are checking this out on 64-bit?
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If there's a way to upgrade my Vista 32bit (which I feel I was a victim of false advertising and don't want to spend a hundred or so more to fix it right now) I'll probably upgrade to 7-64 towards release :3
[/ QUOTE ]Why would you want to do an upgrade instead of a clean install? Dont you know upgrading is dirty and could possibly lead to problems later on? Yes windows 7 supports going from 32-bit to 64-bit from what I read but I still wouldnt do it. I would do a clean install regardless. Clean install is the best way to install windows always unless you are just installing it just long enough to retrieve data.
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How many are checking this out on 64-bit?
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If there's a way to upgrade my Vista 32bit (which I feel I was a victim of false advertising and don't want to spend a hundred or so more to fix it right now) I'll probably upgrade to 7-64 towards release :3
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Unless something's changed, I *think* your license for vista-32bit automatically makes you legal for vista-64bit as well. You should be able to call MS up and get vista-64 for no more than shipping costs.
[/ QUOTE ]Correct. A key will work for both 64-bit and 32-bit. All you need is the media. Also all media is the same unless its Vista Enterprise. So you could technically install vista ultimate using a vista basic disc. Keep in mind some OEMs will use a PID.txt file that will have what edition you are supposed to have forcing that edition to install. By altering that file you get to choose which edition you want if the OEM try to force one on you. You still do need the key for the edition you are install though.
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I love the feel of Win 7 64 bit but I also have the problem whereby I launch CoX and get flickering bars across the screen. At the begining of this post someone mentions 185.x Nvidia beta drivers, did anyone find them or has anyone got over this issue in another way. I am using a 8800 GTX.
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How many are checking this out on 64-bit?
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If there's a way to upgrade my Vista 32bit (which I feel I was a victim of false advertising and don't want to spend a hundred or so more to fix it right now) I'll probably upgrade to 7-64 towards release :3
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Unless something's changed, I *think* your license for vista-32bit automatically makes you legal for vista-64bit as well. You should be able to call MS up and get vista-64 for no more than shipping costs.
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Yeah the box I got at Best Buy said it contained 32/64bit information. The instructions said call and request 64bit since the CD was 32bit only (according to it's face) called support and the dude tried to sell me BS saying that I had to buy the 64bit box and yada yada... so yeah -_-
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How many are checking this out on 64-bit?
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If there's a way to upgrade my Vista 32bit (which I feel I was a victim of false advertising and don't want to spend a hundred or so more to fix it right now) I'll probably upgrade to 7-64 towards release :3
[/ QUOTE ]Why would you want to do an upgrade instead of a clean install? Dont you know upgrading is dirty and could possibly lead to problems later on? Yes windows 7 supports going from 32-bit to 64-bit from what I read but I still wouldnt do it. I would do a clean install regardless. Clean install is the best way to install windows always unless you are just installing it just long enough to retrieve data.
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Guess I just don't want to format but come this August I probably will anyways. -shrugs-
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How many are checking this out on 64-bit?
[/ QUOTE ]You mean folks are still using 32-bit windows? Gasp.... I been testing it on 64-bit windows 7. No need to ever bother with 32-bit ever again.
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It isn't a bother, and it isn't really important 32 vs 64 for most people.
90% of the planet will never ever need the 1 feature that 64bit offers, that is access to memory beyond 4GB, even then PAE does that job already just not on Windows desktop versions, PAE on Linux allows memory use past 4GB on 32bit for example.
Of course I use 64 bit all over the place, but I actually mean use it and not have it just because 64>32, or 'I want to see that 500MB of memory, I paid $10 for it'.
All that being said its easy to assume 32bit will be replaced by 64bit someday, but there certainly is no rush, unless the next update to CO* suddenly uses 2.1GB that is.
There is ALOT more to using a 64 bit OS over a 32 Bit OS than max RAM size, but thank you for playing.
Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean you should spout off about things you don't understand.
There are some extra registers that could be used depending on the hardware, but its not a night and day thing, so NO, thats it Long Mode addressing is the ONLY reason.
Here do some reading you need it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_mode
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I love the feel of Win 7 64 bit but I also have the problem whereby I launch CoX and get flickering bars across the screen. At the begining of this post someone mentions 185.x Nvidia beta drivers, did anyone find them or has anyone got over this issue in another way. I am using a 8800 GTX.
[/ QUOTE ]Actually you are supposed to go to windows update in the control panel and download the nvidia drivers from microsoft. Normally I would never do this but it actually says to do this on the Nvidia website under the windows 7 part.
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How many are checking this out on 64-bit?
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If there's a way to upgrade my Vista 32bit (which I feel I was a victim of false advertising and don't want to spend a hundred or so more to fix it right now) I'll probably upgrade to 7-64 towards release :3
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Oh, I don't know. Time? Convenience, maybe? Ease of use? Those things that those of us who don't blindly follow Microsoft still value?
Clean installs mean I have to change all my settings back from the default crap to the way I want them. Clean installs mean I need to scrounge up all my applications and reinstall them all, and hope I haven't lost the discs and product keys. Clean installs mean I need to find and install all the drivers for all my devices. Clean installs mean I need to back up all my documents, preferences, and application settings off the drive and then restore it once I reinstall. Clean installs mean...
I'm sure you see my point. If an OS can't be upgraded without causing issues, it's a terrible OS.
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"One day we all may see each other elsewhere. In Tyria, in Azeroth. We may pass each other and never know it. And that's sad. But if nothing else, we'll still have Rhode Island."
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How many are checking this out on 64-bit?
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If there's a way to upgrade my Vista 32bit (which I feel I was a victim of false advertising and don't want to spend a hundred or so more to fix it right now) I'll probably upgrade to 7-64 towards release :3
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Clean installs mean I have to change all my settings back from the default crap to the way I want them. Clean installs mean I need to scrounge up all my applications and reinstall them all, and hope I haven't lost the discs and product keys. Clean installs mean I need to find and install all the drivers for all my devices. Clean installs mean I need to back up all my documents, preferences, and application settings off the drive and then restore it once I reinstall. Clean installs mean...
I'm sure you see my point. If an OS can't be upgraded without causing issues, it's a terrible OS.
[/ QUOTE ]Well none of the previous windows are 100% safe to upgrade to just so you know. I would rather do a clean install now then end up having to do it again later due to a botched upgrade. Also keep in mind with vista as well as windows 7 doing a clean install isnt as bad as you think it is going to be. With both OSes you can capture an image after you have installed your apps and tweaked just how you like, both OSes you can inject drivers into the image so no need for driver cd/dvds. Both OSes you can inject windows updates and patches into your image. When you want it to be just like brand new you replace the image that is on the dvd with the one of your pc and it basically installs windows like its made for your pc. All drivers, apps and patches preinstalled. Hell you can even update CoX from within the image if you wanted.
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If an OS can't be upgraded without causing issues, it's a terrible OS.
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Right. Which is why I try to never do OS upgrades either. I know MS operating systems are flaky PoSs. It's my job to know that.
At home, my workstation is about 1.5 years overdue for a wipe. Were I to buy Win7, the workstation would be wiped before Win7 touched it. My gamer rig was just rehashed a week or two back.
At work, any time a user leaves the company, their rig is formatted after their data is yanked and stored. I *never* migrate a rig from one user to another unless I absolutely must have it done *now* without wiping it.
The only time I would ever do OS upgrades would be when corporate comes down and says, "You have one week to migrate your entire installation from XP with Win7." Even then, I would immediately begin transitioning everyone from their current upgraded rigs to freshly installed ones.
Be well, people of CoH.
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If an OS can't be upgraded without causing issues, it's a terrible OS.
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If things were perfect before they were released we wouldnt need upgrades then would we. Things are not perfect and peoples opinions change daily. If you can make a better O/S do it yourself.
Vic Server Junkie
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Well none of the previous windows are 100% safe to upgrade to just so you know. I would rather do a clean install now then end up having to do it again later due to a botched upgrade. Also keep in mind with vista as well as windows 7 doing a clean install isnt as bad as you think it is going to be. With both OSes you can capture an image after you have installed your apps and tweaked just how you like, both OSes you can inject drivers into the image so no need for driver cd/dvds. Both OSes you can inject windows updates and patches into your image. When you want it to be just like brand new you replace the image that is on the dvd with the one of your pc and it basically installs windows like its made for your pc. All drivers, apps and patches preinstalled. Hell you can even update CoX from within the image if you wanted.
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I'm aware of the ability to slipstream installation discs. However that's extra work apart from the install just to get the stuff slipstreamed, in which time I might as well just download the stuff once I have Windows installed. As I've said, if there was a way to slipstream all my applications, drivers, documents, and settings onto the installation disc, I'd do a clean install in a heartbeat. Unfortunately there's not, and I don't feel like spending hours getting everything set up right. Even once I do, I'll be hunting around for some program I need and I'll think to myself, "Wait, I had this on my old install of Windows, but now I can't find it anywhere."
Besides, I'm fairly confident in my ability to troubleshoot Windows issues if I do upgrade instead of do a clean install. Heck, I've done enough troubleshooting on new or almost-new installs...
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"One day we all may see each other elsewhere. In Tyria, in Azeroth. We may pass each other and never know it. And that's sad. But if nothing else, we'll still have Rhode Island."
"One day we all may see each other elsewhere. In Tyria, in Azeroth. We may pass each other and never know it. And that's sad. But if nothing else, we'll still have Rhode Island."
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If an OS can't be upgraded without causing issues, it's a terrible OS.
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If things were perfect before they were released we wouldnt need upgrades then would we. Things are not perfect and peoples opinions change daily. If you can make a better O/S do it yourself.
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What are you talking about? We're not commenting on an older OS. We're commenting on the ability of the new OS to run well as an upgrade install instead of a clean install. There's no such thing as a perfect OS, but at least all the Linux and OS X techies don't insist you do a clean install of a new version.
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"One day we all may see each other elsewhere. In Tyria, in Azeroth. We may pass each other and never know it. And that's sad. But if nothing else, we'll still have Rhode Island."
"One day we all may see each other elsewhere. In Tyria, in Azeroth. We may pass each other and never know it. And that's sad. But if nothing else, we'll still have Rhode Island."
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I love the feel of Win 7 64 bit but I also have the problem whereby I launch CoX and get flickering bars across the screen. At the begining of this post someone mentions 185.x Nvidia beta drivers, did anyone find them or has anyone got over this issue in another way. I am using a 8800 GTX.
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Mine even worse, i tried to make a movie of it, but i think the message is clear how my CoH is working in Windows 7 64bit 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2yqeL--4GM
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If an OS can't be upgraded without causing issues, it's a terrible OS.
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If things were perfect before they were released we wouldnt need upgrades then would we. Things are not perfect and peoples opinions change daily. If you can make a better O/S do it yourself.
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What are you talking about? We're not commenting on an older OS. We're commenting on the ability of the new OS to run well as an upgrade install instead of a clean install. There's no such thing as a perfect OS, but at least all the Linux and OS X techies don't insist you do a clean install of a new version.
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Riiiight. No one had any issues upgrading OS9 to OSX. heh.
Be well, people of CoH.
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Riiiight. No one had any issues upgrading OS9 to OSX. heh.
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I didn't own a computer then so I can't comment on upgrade experiences, but I'll admit that the first few versions of OS X weren't all that wonderful. 10.0 was more like an unfinished beta that Apple tacked a "final release" sticker on, and 10.1 was basically just updates to bring it up to par in functionality with OS 9. Considering, however, the fact that the architecture underneath OS X was so drastically different that they had to run OS 9 apps via an emulation layer, I'd say they did a decent job, although if I'd been a Mac owner at that time I would have probably waited until 10.2 to upgrade. 
More specifically I was talking about upgrading between different versions of OS X - I've heard of only very sporadic issues of people upgrading from 10.4 to 10.5, and even then normally because of third-party application conflicts.
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"One day we all may see each other elsewhere. In Tyria, in Azeroth. We may pass each other and never know it. And that's sad. But if nothing else, we'll still have Rhode Island."
"One day we all may see each other elsewhere. In Tyria, in Azeroth. We may pass each other and never know it. And that's sad. But if nothing else, we'll still have Rhode Island."
Going from 10.4 to 10.5 is more akin to applying a SP3 to XP. Quite a bit different than attempting to upgrade XP to Win7 or even Vista to Win7.
Be well, people of CoH.
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Mine even worse, i tried to make a movie of it, but i think the message is clear how my CoH is working in Windows 7 64bit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2yqeL--4GM
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YES! That's what I'm seeing.
Odd. Maybe it's the ATI drivers? o.O
I experience the flicker in Windows 7 as well. I am on a GTX260 using the 181.20 WHQL drivers. I did see the statement on Nvidia's site about just using windows update to get the driver. I suppose I'll try that tomorrow, or maybe just try out the beta 185.20s.
Never use windows update for graphics drivers 
but that being said the beta drivers maybe worth a shot ya never know.
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How many are checking this out on 64-bit?
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If there's a way to upgrade my Vista 32bit (which I feel I was a victim of false advertising and don't want to spend a hundred or so more to fix it right now) I'll probably upgrade to 7-64 towards release :3
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Unless something's changed, I *think* your license for vista-32bit automatically makes you legal for vista-64bit as well. You should be able to call MS up and get vista-64 for no more than shipping costs.
Be well, people of CoH.