All you DOOOOM sayers, listen up. (PvP Population)

I been through all the stalker nerf since cov launch.. its seem the Dev's on each issue have been killing the pvp but I adjusted and adjusted. Making toons which is now good cause of all the nerfing. Dev's are in La-La land they refuse to listen to the PVP community and only hear the concern from the PVE players and New pvp player which get's owned for the first time. To be fairly good in PVP takes practice and a built that work good for you in PVP. PVE' player complain and complain why they get gank in a zone? MUST NOT READ THE WARNING BEFORE COMING IN. Those are the ones that send long letter to the dev's telling them that were over power and they make pvp even. Basically making all toon hit like sissy.. so they can run around farm or badge hunt. THE DEV'S NEED STOP $%^& with the pvp and leave it alone. THey need to add more zones and Less damn NPC that can stun you for hour's.

I see where the OP is coming from. The thing is not letting the new guy win or free pass or anything. It's about picking on the new guy just for the hell of it. I've seen regulars standing around without getting touched but a newb steps in, trying to learn the ropes, as everyone requests it seems, then they gang up on em over and over and throw in insults, who would want to come back? There is a difference between "trash talk" and down right disrespect. And yeah, targeting the easy kill over and over rep or not I can see how it can be a bit annoying on the recieving end while there is many targets in the zone.

Reading many of these post, PVP is dead and more crazy nerfs is in the future at this rate. Even in boxing ring if you repeatedly choose to fight a guy way lower skill in you, you will lose buy rates and your respect goes down the tube champ or not. Even in any sport just because you win doesnt mean you have to be totally disrespectful about it. And learning, is a two way thing. People request the new guys to learn to play but is in no way helping the process, but instead hindering the process. Like telling someone to learn to walk and you tie em up to the back of a car by rope and drive 50 mph and tell them to "keep up, noob." Then get red in the face when they complain and causes changes that makes it better for them. I'm not even saying to pull punches but try to keep the disrespect to a min. and you'll see it wont kill you.

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Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

People that get butthurt because they got jumped in zones (and then cry about it instead of figuring out why they lost) shouldn't be PvPing in the first place. They're the ones who got PvP changed.

If they really want to PvP, they'll do it more often to learn from their mistakes and find people who are willing to teach them.

Well I see what you mean. The reason in thta case is easy why they lost. They got jumped! To some winning is fun and losing is not and that's why some people go after easy targets and why people who get killed often take it to heart and insults dont help. Hard to find a teacher sometimes when by the time they leave a zone they are so heated that they release by coming on the forum, then yell nerf. What happens? Piss enough people off, no matter how, then they yell nerf, then a nerf may happen or other changes. Which in turns, piss the actual veteran pvpers off, which in the end only increases them making it living hell for new guys, which starts the process all over. Something gots to give or quite frankly, those people that leave zone pissed because of getting ganked everytime they move might build up enough numbers to get noticed to make things "even" and get the last laugh.

I rather see PVP grow instead of shrink as it is. It's becoming more like a high school clique that wonders why they get smaller but attack anybody new that come in relentlessly then call them a punk for running away from a ten on one.

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Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

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Well guys, i'm out, been playing this game for 4 years. Too much has changed it's not the "girl" I met back then. I did mainly PvP in Siren's, some know me as Butterfly Kiss (the PFF Watcher) and Envious (the elusive stalker) but after being killed over and over today while hidden (max stealth) I know this game has lost any enjoyment for me. With the nerf to defense there's no sane reason to stay. Hey I almost made it to Issue 14. Good Luck, Have Fun... and see you guys on the Flip-side.

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Lol, I was the blaster pew pew'ing you in SC. You kept getting killed while hidden because you kept coming within range of the SD tanker's AAO, which suppresses Stealth and Stealth IO, at that point we were able to see you with just Tactics + Perc IO.

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OOPS!

Can't we all just agree...

... to lolz dark armor?

if negative attitudes brought about this pvp change i gotta wonder what other changes in gameplay are in store from all this negativity?

i wonder whats going to happen to the poor markiteers.

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Well guys, i'm out, been playing this game for 4 years. Too much has changed it's not the "girl" I met back then. I did mainly PvP in Siren's, some know me as Butterfly Kiss (the PFF Watcher) and Envious (the elusive stalker) but after being killed over and over today while hidden (max stealth) I know this game has lost any enjoyment for me. With the nerf to defense there's no sane reason to stay. Hey I almost made it to Issue 14. Good Luck, Have Fun... and see you guys on the Flip-side.

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Another friend of mine just quit as well thanks to the pvp changes. 57 month veteran leaves for AoC.

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Well guys, i'm out, been playing this game for 4 years. Too much has changed it's not the "girl" I met back then. I did mainly PvP in Siren's, some know me as Butterfly Kiss (the PFF Watcher) and Envious (the elusive stalker) but after being killed over and over today while hidden (max stealth) I know this game has lost any enjoyment for me. With the nerf to defense there's no sane reason to stay. Hey I almost made it to Issue 14. Good Luck, Have Fun... and see you guys on the Flip-side.

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Another friend of mine just quit as well thanks to the pvp changes. 57 month veteran leaves for AoC.

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lolz AoC

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if negative attitudes brought about this pvp change i gotta wonder what other changes in gameplay are in store from all this negativity?

i wonder whats going to happen to the poor markiteers.

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What can they do to the ebil marketers?

All of you need to have more respect and honor for the Fight Clubbers, farmers, badgers and those merely trying to level up.

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i wonder whats going to happen to the poor markiteers.

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They'll continue to make their billions, just like they've always done, while you continue to whine and troll, just like you've always done.

Badgers are kind of mean anyway. I totally saw one headbutt a bear once.

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Badgers are kind of mean anyway. I totally saw one headbutt a bear once.

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epic lulz

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All of you need to have more respect and honor for the Fight Clubbers, farmers, badgers and those merely trying to level up.

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Why?

i respect them, but if i'm passing by and they shoot me, they are fair game. if they are collecting something that can and probably be used against me later, then I might let them pass I might not depending on my mood. Ever got in a fight with a bugger and they pull out a Shivan that you seen them collect a day ago who swears they never pvp?
In SC, if they are my bounty they are going to get shot at like anyone else, no disrespect but in order for me to move on to a new target bounty they must die or leave. i rather have them just die then being ran out the zone so everyone is happy. If they are not my bounty and they are just collecting I usually leave them alone.
In RV, I leave them alone but as soon as they try to be slick and send their heavy after me, all bets are off.
In WB, I leave them alone as long they dont try to steal my scientist or attack me.

On theo ther side, if I'm in a PVP zone for what ever reason, especially during peak times (which is not hard to figure out) then I expect to be attacked. It is a pvp zone.

But under no cases d oI rant rave throw a fit or curse insult etc because I die or because someone is badge hunting.

Now, that is MY view and not everyone is so nice. Respect is both ways. Rspect the badger even if ya kill it and badger should respect the person doing the killing, which is legal here, because the whole point of the zone is pvp, with added goodies.

And in I14 I dont think it will get any easier for badgers so beware for those that apply since there is more pvp badges now and other stuff.

Really in defense for the PVP crowd, no one should set their self up for failure and dissappointment thinkign they will and everyone will give them a free pass to collect.

On the same note, really should bug the badger just because they are collecting stuff out of spite.

Kill them with a smile on ya face.

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Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

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Why?

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Because it is the Fight Club way.

If more people would have followed the path of respect and honor, I13 would have never come to pass.

Be greatful that we are allowing for Arena options!

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Why?

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Because it is the Fight Club way.

If more people would have followed the path of respect and honor, I13 would have never come to pass.

Be greatful that we are allowing for Arena options!

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well said.

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Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

Why?

Becuase if the good pvpers didnt take so much time smashing and running off all the new guys by having or feeling the need to excessively rub every kill they do in their face and then repeat process over and over then I 13 wouldnt even been needed. Running off new players, creates angry customers, angry customers carry it to the forums and pve, which carries over into buisness and angry customers aint good for buisness. So in sacrifice for a few L33t uber people that made it point to prove they are uber 24/7 and threw one too many grains of salt into the wound, I13 came to be for the better enjoyment of pvp by anyoen who wishes to go into it and not just the l33t few. All it would've took to avoid this nerf bat wasa little respect among players. a little honor. This is basically a self inflicted pvp nerf. Yes some people say that killing someone over and over to bug them is legal so is putting my finger in ya face but not touching you and spitting all types of explitive in front your grandma and wishing the old bat would die so I could laugh when they put her into the ground is all perfectly legal but doesnt exactly make it right. And and if I did do that, I expect a fight to ensure, which in this case complaints and animosity. Pre-13 PVP was nice with the powers and stuff, but it sucked balls because it was always like hard core pvpers owned the zone and didnt want anyone in. Well , mission accomplished on their part but that's bad for buisness by runnign off paying customers. And since the l33t group was small to begin with, they didnt stand a chance against the angry protests. Of course some of my coolest buddies was l33tz and left with the rest but if changing something to piss off a few people for the better for more then go for it. I see the concept behind I13 but dont think it worked out exactly as it was envisioned. Or maybe so depending on which side you're on. Many people are just glad the old d-wads as they became known are finally gone.

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Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

I guess we need a zone where pvp is off until a challenge. Or, maybe peeps can fight anybody, just have to go to jail if an unchallenged fight (1 min after attack, lb or arachnos appear. Upon contact, attackers are sent to a jail facility in the hospital).

hmmm interesting concept.

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I guess we need a zone where pvp is off until a challenge. Or, maybe peeps can fight anybody, just have to go to jail if an unchallenged fight (1 min after attack, lb or arachnos appear. Upon contact, attackers are sent to a jail facility in the hospital).

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Or they could just stick to pve.

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I guess we need a zone where pvp is off until a challenge. Or, maybe peeps can fight anybody, just have to go to jail if an unchallenged fight (1 min after attack, lb or arachnos appear. Upon contact, attackers are sent to a jail facility in the hospital).

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The ancient Romans had this brilliant idea, see, it was this Colosseum thing where people fought in an arena...

Edit: I honestly have nothing against duelists or fight clubbers or seal clubbers or whatever, just be aware in a zone - it's much like world pvp - pay bloody attention because people CAN attack you. It reminds me of the old WoW Mantra: "If it's red, it's dead." In this case it'd likely be orange, but whatever. Point is: Zone pvp is open pvp. Yeah, it sucks sometimes (Hi, roaming mobs that drain end!), but there you go. Part of the thrill of zone pvp is the hunt. *puts camouflage hat on, shiftyeyes*

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I guess we need a zone where pvp is off until a challenge. Or, maybe peeps can fight anybody, just have to go to jail if an unchallenged fight (1 min after attack, lb or arachnos appear. Upon contact, attackers are sent to a jail facility in the hospital).

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The ancient Romans had this brilliant idea, see, it was this Colosseum thing where people fought in an arena...

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Very witty you are...

The difference here is that this would be a 'zone', and not some sort of menu system in a kiosk where somebody has to go and set that up.

In this case, it would be a zone where pvp is allowed on a limited basis. Although, anybody could go and attack anybody and defeat them, the consequence would be a trip to the local jail where they would have to break out or wait some sort of time period. This is of course if they fail to 'challenge' someone or that someone refuses to fight.

Also, this zone should be FFA and allow for teaming across factions.

Yes, the current pocket d arena is essentially this; however, think of it as a non-resolving ffa match that the server has setup and it has a zone sort of feel (random mobs, minigame etc.).