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I counted!
I don't know if the new IO's keep the roughly 1:2 good:bad ratio.
But 12 rolls looks better to me, assuming the market doesn't dry up and blow away, than one LOTG.
And speed-TF'ers are going to do that math. Or one of them is going to do the math and the knowledge will spread.
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Then add in the items that he didn't include in his list that could be useful to you, Siolfir... or include the ones he did simply for market value. Your choice.
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If you'd rather I get extremely specific, I can trim out all but LotG +7.5% recharge, Posi's Blast 3-way, and the Decimation 3-way. Those are the only ones that I don't already have extras sitting in the bin. Yes, that includes the Numi and Miracle uniques - I have 2 Numis and 3 Miracles in base storage right now just waiting for the characters they're going on to level into them. What about alts? Well, unless I migrate to another server (unlikely - the group I play with stays on Infinity), I'm out of slots and don't plan on buying more. My next freebie comes July 27, 2009; I don't anticipate that I'll be needing a large resupply before then.
I'm counting the pool C recipes that I either have currently slotted, or plan on slotting. And the vast majority of it is junk I'd rather never see.
As for converting it to inf using market value - as others have said in this thread, merits are more valuable simply be being harder to acquire than inf; why would I buy something that's useless to me simply to make 1-5m that I could get just as easily farming mobs and have a chance to get purple IO drops also?
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Half of the recipes on that list don't look too worth it for sale, going off market memory. If it sells for less than 10 million, it's not even at the start of shiny territory.
In fact, most of the things on that list are better/more valuable at the lowest level they're available than at level 40 (all procs, for example - especially the stealth ones) and most of the rest are better at levels 34 through 37 rather than 40, for exemplaring.
But either way... the big 3, and the posi, scirocco, and decimation triples will be fairly good. That makes 6, not 19. 7 if the impervium armor still has legs in I13, but I haven't seen many people using those lately.
And, of course, there's still the whole "farming = better average inf/time than TFing with random reward" thing.
"Experience is the mother of good judgement. Bad judgement is the father of experience."
Wow. So... they are worthless for you, because your definition of "worth" is greatly skewed due to what you already have. Good to know.
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Wow. So... they are worthless for you, because your definition of "worth" is greatly skewed due to what you already have. Good to know.
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And current market value of what I can sell it for, but once i13 goes live that's a more or less moot point.
If I can make more inf running missions than speedrunning TFs and selling the recipe (specifically on the BM since I play villainside most of the time), getting something I can't personally use on a random roll is a waste of time.
Edit: Not that I expect some people that are still equipping multiple characters to skip random rolls - for some people who have a lot of characters that for whatever reason don't have many of the IOs they're wanting already it's not a bad option - although still worse in i13 than on live due to nontransferable merits and requiring longer TF/SFs to get a roll; I've only stated that I personally won't roll anymore and expect that many other people who are in similar situations - looking for a very limited number of particular recipes - also won't. In my case I have a 3-in-52 chance of getting something I can use, that's around 5.8% and 10 rolls is a really poor way to meet those odds.
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Just wrapped up "The Envoy of Shadow"...this was only worth six merits? "The Clockwork Captive" was worth seven!
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Hey, not trying to argue with you here - from what I can tell, the change coming can only help you out.
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And people who aren't willing to pay above the arbitragers's price floor? They'll have to get it from merits, or else won't get their shinies until they change their mind.
Right, people will, when faced with absurd prices, tell the flippers to go do something biologically impossible and get what they want from merits.
I'm sure our cafeteria capitalists won't mind a little competition.
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Strong hatred is in this one.
Soon he will turn to the darkside ?
Seriously You think 120 million inf is absurd compared to running 5 positrons ?
I bet there are people that would gladly part with a lotg if they could have gotten TF commander without positron.
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And people who aren't willing to pay above the arbitragers's price floor? They'll have to get it from merits, or else won't get their shinies until they change their mind.
Right, people will, when faced with absurd prices, tell the flippers to go do something biologically impossible and get what they want from merits.
I'm sure our cafeteria capitalists won't mind a little competition.
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Soon he will turn to the darkside ?
Seriously You think 120 million inf is absurd compared to running 5 positrons ?
I bet there are people that would gladly part with a lotg if they could have gotten TF commander without positron.
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Umm...
The most I've ever had at one time is 15 million and that is only because I managed to luck out and get a knockback protection IO.
Not everyone runs around with gobs of influance. Not everyone can use the market to any degree.
With a slight side note. Task Forces thus far have only sucked for me when I was on bad teams. I'm not just talking bad as in can't work together, I'm talking bad as in computerized drones have more personality.
My ideal worst team ever is the team that makes everything trivial but the only conversation you will get out of them is the preset 'ready'.
I am honestly driven to log out and just stop playing for a while when I get teams like that. Oh yeah, mission being rolled over like it's nothing but it so dang boring it kills any value it could have had. But hey personal opinion and all that.
Siolfir: You pretty much don't need anything from pool C ever again. Is that correct?
And if it is correct, then why does it matter whether we're dealing in merits or inf or random rolls? You're done getting stuff. You, in the "extremely specific" case, don't count.
Tricia, Flux: Apparently I went with the "worth it to me = worth it" assumptions as well. A mistake. I would expect that, after current inventory clears out, everything on my list will be worth a fairly substantial amount.
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In fact, most of the things on that list are better/more valuable at the lowest level they're available than at level 40 (all procs, for example - especially the stealth ones) and most of the rest are better at levels 34 through 37 rather than 40, for exemplaring.
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If you go to level 35, while you don't get quite as good numbers from [e.g.] the Impervium: Resistance, you only add two recipes to the I12 pool C list. Kinetic combat triple and some ranged one. Entropic Chaos maybe?
I wouldn't put those on the "shiny" list, even though I've used them.
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So you think you're a hero, huh.
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Hey, not trying to argue with you here - from what I can tell, the change coming can only help you out.
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Yes - I've said as much in the threads about the merit system.
My only real complaints stem from the fact that other people (who haven't already milked the current system to get the recipes they're looking for) are going to have their rewards reduced due to people (like me) who intend on milking the new system to get the exact recipe I'm looking for, and that some of the merit costs for recipes don't accurately reflect the interest in having them (ie, some are drastically overpriced, some mildly overpriced, and some IMO are underpriced).
Costs are a relatively easy adjustment (likely just changing a spreadsheet) and the amount of interest in an item can be found using comparative prices on the market - the %chance for each pool C to drop is identical in each level group, so consider the supply a constant and then demand is the variable causing price fluctuations. That they have the ability to determine this quickly and haven't done so has led to several people wondering about why things are priced how they are: as I said before, junk recipes are still going to be junk. It's just that you can skip your chance to get them.
At the very least, purely IMO, you should have the choice of a random roll at the end of each TF/SF; whether this is through lowering the cost of the random roll or through setting a minimum value for them doesn't matter. What does matter is that if they truly are going to datamine the times, the devs are going to find most of them will be below 20 merits after the others end up being farmed - my estimate if they're going to include each speedrun in the average will be that the numbers for the Tarikoss SF and Hess TF are representative of the numbers you're going to see.
Katie Hannon is a special case in that even if you require leading Amy out in the second mission and removing flight from Katie in the last mission, you're adding probably around 5-10 mins total - still under an hour for nearly every run. But it also has a higher number of AVs per run (10 vs the usual 1 heroside), so you can argue a risk/reward situation there.
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And people who aren't willing to pay above the arbitragers's price floor? They'll have to get it from merits, or else won't get their shinies until they change their mind.
Right, people will, when faced with absurd prices, tell the flippers to go do something biologically impossible and get what they want from merits.
I'm sure our cafeteria capitalists won't mind a little competition.
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Strong hatred is in this one.
Soon he will turn to the darkside ?
Seriously You think 120 million inf is absurd compared to running 5 positrons ?
I bet there are people that would gladly part with a lotg if they could have gotten TF commander without positron.
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Hellish Thoughts Fire/PSI Dominator
Thank You Devs for Merits!!!!
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Rather then indulge my curiousity and constructively contribute to the thread you chose to be a sophomoric fool and troll my comments. Instead you could have stated why you disagreed with my intent to use merits to support my ALTS and how I'm incorrect in doing so.
Nah, that would require thought and less trolling.
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Rather then indulge my curiousity and constructively contribute to the thread you chose to be a sophomoric fool and troll my comments. Instead you could have stated why you disagreed with my intent to use merits to support my ALTS and how I'm incorrect in doing so.
Nah, that would require thought and less trolling.
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Considering your initial response was a snide comment asking if I was even addressing you, the faux outrage on your part is pretty unconvincing. If the fairly long diatribes by myself and others explaining why merits are best horded need to be explained to you again, it would be best served by you simply re-reading the relevant posts in this thread rather than wasting everyone's time by re-stating it all again.
As for thought, that is what you might have used initially so you understood the aforementioned arguments.
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Considering your initial response was a snide comment asking if I was even addressing you, the faux outrage on your part is pretty unconvincing.
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If the fairly long diatribes by myself and others explaining why merits are best horded need to be explained to you again, it would be best served by you simply re-reading the relevant posts in this thread rather than wasting everyone's time by re-stating it all again.
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So instead of using your time to make a quick outline of your arguments...you waste your time by trying to support your troll post.
My conversation was with another poster, it was you who chimed in with a wise crack response with no supporting information. I am not required to keep tabs on yours/everyone elses stance on Merits.
Again, would you like to support your stance or continue this offtopic banter? Either way, I got the time.
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I'm sorry, but will you guys ever discuss the disparity? I'm hearing Dr Q is down to under an hour now.
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travel time is more than that.
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With Oroboros and other teleportation powers? I think not.
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What tp power gets you back into the shadow shard form founders?just loading screen time will eat up a decent portion of 1 hour.
Lots of 50's yada yada. still finding fun things to do.
Cthulhu loves you, better start running
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it doesnt cross zone boundaries.
Lots of 50's yada yada. still finding fun things to do.
Cthulhu loves you, better start running
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I'm sorry, but will you guys ever discuss the disparity? I'm hearing Dr Q is down to under an hour now.
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travel time is more than that.
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With Oroboros and other teleportation powers? I think not.
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What tp power gets you back into the shadow shard form founders?just loading screen time will eat up a decent portion of 1 hour.
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Ourosboros Portal. You click the giant crystal to TP directly to the Contact for the Storyarc/Task Force.
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it doesnt cross zone boundaries.
[/ QUOTE ]So you have tried the new power already? I didnt know it was out yet, I thought it was going to come with the mac version right when it launches.
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Hellish Thoughts Fire/PSI Dominator
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it doesnt cross zone boundaries.
[/ QUOTE ]So you have tried the new power already? I didnt know it was out yet, I thought it was going to come with the mac version right when it launches.
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No tp power currently crosses zone boundries. Thats a lot of track record to guage by.
edit: and no pocket d and oro are no different that using a tram. they are not tp powers.
Lots of 50's yada yada. still finding fun things to do.
Cthulhu loves you, better start running
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it doesnt cross zone boundaries.
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No tp power currently crosses zone boundries. Thats a lot of track record to guage by.
edit: and no pocket d and oro are no different that using a tram. they are not tp powers.
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I think you missed the point. The Macintosh version of this game will be coming with a TP to mission power. I don't know the recharge on this but if it TPs directly to the mission the guess is that it'll cross any boundaries.
It was then mentioned that the TP to mission power would be available as a microtransaction.
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Ok, I'll sum up. You said that you'd spend merits to make things to sell for influence. I said that was inefficient. This is based on the fact that merits are a second form of currency, and one which is inflation independent since what you buy with them has a fixed price unlike items in the market. As such, merits are a lot more valuable to store rather than to convert into a currency which will be subject to inflation. As supplies of class C drop recipes dry up in the market merits will become more valuable, and influence less so.
In fact if anything merits are likely to be a deflationary currency given the likelihood of the devs adjusting merit rewards downward with the coming speed farming of TFs that now have good rewards.
It should be evident that conversion of a deflationary currency into an inflationary one is rather sub-optimal.
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What tp power gets you back into the shadow shard form founders?just loading screen time will eat up a decent portion of 1 hour.
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There are a total of six missions outside of the Shard on the TF. That's not that many loading screens. You could make an issue that 24 individual mission loading screens will screw you (not to mention all the defeat all missions), but the travel time isn't the issue.
Too many alts to list.
Then add in the items that he didn't include in his list that could be useful to you, Siolfir... or include the ones he did simply for market value. Your choice.
@Shenalia
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Victory: Evil Triumphs (VG)
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