Discussion: Purchasable Character Respecs
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Posted on: 2008-07-31 10:40 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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So you´re a loooong Vet... and had to learn with your mistakes. We all do. Not doing it is stupid.
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I have to agree with you. As a long time vet I think it is my responsibility to help newer players. Supporting this move is just one more way to do that. When 90% of the "veteran players" started they had someone who helped them, I guarantee it.
Not everyone has the confidence to try to run the respec trials. I mean I can run a respec team through on my tank in an hour 15 without stealthing half the trial but not everyone knows that.
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My wish list for things to buy are:
Costume slots (more! more! more!)
Costume options! (many more!)
Funny emotes! (Yay!)
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I would like to see more purchasable options like vet reward powers and costume options. Heck I am even in the favor of officially sanctioned infamy/influence sales. The easiest way to put the spammers out of business would be to offer Influence / Infamy sales officially. Though I do draw the line at XP for sale. more balanced options equals more money equals better game.
Right now the only ones who benefit from the respec restrictions are farmers, marketeers and those shady power leveling / influence spammers. if you allow players official options you take away their demand and safeguard the customer base.
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Trying to "game the system" using respecs to recover expensive IOs uses up a bunch more.
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DING!
From where I'm sitting, it looks like the devs want people to be able to get more respecs if they really, really want them, but to decrease the odds of people using it for exactly the purpose you mentioned.
Respecs *should* be hard to come by, so you put some thought into your build.
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There's too many reasons to justify changing ones build more than once besides bad planning.
Going from being a primarily solo player to a team player or vice versa.
Building to get you through boring, tedious or challenging level ranges, then respeccing out once you're done
Misinformation or bad data
Going from a PvE build to a PvP build or vice versa
Power and Enhancement changes beyond player control
The desire just to try something different
Going from a RP build to a min/max build or vice versa
Respeccing for a specific player event.
Creating a farm build.
Etc.
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While I have argued against unlimited respecs in the past, I actually like this idea. Mostly because this gives someone who has completely run out of every respec option available, a final (but not free) solution.
Now I believe that the price really wasn't designed to make NCSoft tons of money. It was most likely chosen as a balance between what people would pay if they absolutely needed it, versus keeping some players from buying one every other week (although that may not stop some of them).
Now some people have said "if you really need one, just play the market for a few hours and buy one there". Bah. If I needed one, I'd just figure out how to work ONE extra hour at my real job and make enough extra on my paycheck to pay for the respec. I know that won't work for everyone, but some people may be able to swing a little extra work and earn the money faster then you could work the market for the INF required to buy the recipe (and no market risk either).
I did see a few people mention that some casual gamers might use RMT services to buy the INF needed to buy a respec recipe instead of just buying one from NCSoft. I checked the first three RMT sellers that came up in an online search. One would sell 30 million for around $7-$8. The other 2 had a 50 mil inf minimum order and cost between $7-$12. So either way you pay about the same, and NCSofts $9.99 guarantees you get one. 50 mil inf only gets you one is someone is selling it for less than that. Personally, I'd rather give the money to NCSoft, at least they might put it toward developing new stuff for CoX.
All in all, it seems to be a well thought out idea with a price point that isn't too high, but not so low as to promote excessive use.
Nice to see it as yet another option. Hopefully it gives NCNC some more money to pay for making cool stuff for us.
Personally, I doubt I'll ever use it, (except maybe on Test if it's free there) as I'm cheap to begin with and have lots of vetspecs laying around.
Now if they were to give me an option for a Archetype & powerset respec, I'd pay for that, even paying notably more, perhaps up to $25, because I have some older characters with irreplaceable badges (like 5th Columnist) that I'd love to "update" to some of the newer options among ATs and powersets.
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Hi,
have been trying to keep up but at 31 pages and counting I may have missed this so sorry in advance if this has been covered.
Please do not allow paid respecs on the Test server during normal times.
Doing so would only encourage those that use it as a regular play server to claim it as their own even more than they do now.
If you want to test then copy over a respec holding toon and do it as often as you need to complete your testing then apply it to live.
In fact I would go as far as suggesting no respecs of any kind on test unless copied over.
However when in Closed Beta the "Buy a Respec" system could be opened up for the testers without charge so a much more comprehensive test could be carried out as fast as possible. This would allow quick easy comparisons especially when powers have been changed or added.
So paid on live and none on test unless in Closed Beta.
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Quick note: Don't think for a moment that those upcoming competitors won't have higher system requirements than COH. People understandably get upset when an update causes their performance to go down on their machines, and I don't know about you but I've got a lot of friends who are playing on older or less powerful machines who are still playing COH, settings turned down, because they like it so much (low FPS and all). They won't be able to play those competitors, guaranteed. If they could've upgraded their machines (or bought new ones), they would've done so already.
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Too true. My husband likes to try other games, currently he's playing Conan. That game's storage requirements are so big it wouldn't fit in the space left on his harddrive. To keep his current games AND play Conan... he bought a large, separate harddrive and now runs all his games on THAT while running all his other programs off his old harddrive.
Me, I'm sticking to COH, and always have for the last 4 years.
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Personally i don’t think this was a good idea if they really wanted to make a way for people to get more respects they should just remove the limit on how many you can earn thought the sf/tf's.
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I don't get all the fuss. Trial Respecs are super-easy to come by with the rate the game and especially the Blueside Trial has been dumbed down over the past couple years. It's not like anyone's forced into shelling out money for something they could get for free. If they do it anyways, all the better for us.
I for one fully support cashing in on people's impatience and stupidity. For all I care, NCSoft can start selling Purple IOs at 25 USD a pop.
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This would be so cool if we could buy a respec for a lvl 50 that has been nerfed in the past, and change the primaries & secondaries of that particular character. Now THAT is something id pay money for in a heartbeat. Also it would put some worth into the "paid respec". Pls devs let me fix my broken 50s you ruined with the nerfs! Pretty pls? 8D
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Imho, I've always disliked not having unlimited respecs, without having to do a long trial/sf/tf.
In the first MMO I tried, which was Auto Assault, the only thing you needed to respec your toon was a few in-game inf/currency.
Now, since I have very few hours to play per day/week, my chance to do a respec trial has diminished to almost nil. Now my only hope of getting new respecs for my toons is a drop of a respec recipe, or purchasing one on the BM/WW. I know about vet respecs and getting a new one every time a new issue/patch comes out, but I've always liked being able to respec every other day if I so desire or just want to try something new with my toon, or different enhancements/IO's or whatever. I do like the idea of respecing on the test server. I suppose that that is the only way to have unlimited respecs in this game for the moment. But that means a constant cycle of transferring toons/respecing/testing/deleting, then repeat. Oh well - c'est la vie.
I probably won't ever buy a respec with RL currency, only because I can't afford it, but I do like that ppl can have an additional option to get a respec.
I've never thought that there was anything wrong with unlimited respecs. Anyone who has access to this game and the forums can get advice and help on their builds, and perfecting their builds for PVE/PVP/farming, or however they want to spend their time with this wonderful game 
That's my 2 inf anyways
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WAY too overpriced for something like this. Yay to having the option, but crazy high in price.
I will never need to use it with all the other options to get one on top of the numerous ones I get right off the bat for being such an old veteran, but I like the idea of having it there for others, but please cut the price in half!
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WAY too overpriced for something like this. Yay to having the option, but crazy high in price.
I will never need to use it with all the other options to get one on top of the numerous ones I get right off the bat for being such an old veteran, but I like the idea of having it there for others, but please cut the price in half!
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To quote myself from a thread that Niv locked on me...
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For me? $9.99 comes a HELL of alot easier than the 15 million influence that those average. It takes me at least 15 hours of gameplay to make that much influence.... it takes me 40 minutes to make $9.99.
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So... being that the option is already active (although the Store itself doesn't seem to be working); how many have been sold so far?
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We already have the respec recipes available for us to buy in game.
Why even making those?
It's great to see there actually are something going on to make more options, but respecification for actual money?
That is just a BAD choice.
Well, if the devs want us to actually "purchase" any of those respec's, they would need to lower the price at least.
If it is like a dollar, I would buy it if I don't have any time for a respec trial or influence/infamy to buy a respec recipe, while I really need one.
If it is that low priced, I would just buy it, since I'm one of those "laziests," for no reason just in case.
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So... being that the option is already active (although the Store itself doesn't seem to be working); how many have been sold so far?
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At least one.
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Why even making those?
It's great to see there actually are something going on to make more options, but respecification for actual money?
That is just a BAD choice.
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Unless you're like me, and you're poor on time and rich on money. Then it's a PERFECT choice!
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If it is like a dollar,
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If it was like a dollar, the "rare" respec recipes would drop down in price on the Market to be roughly equivalent to a Costume Piece in value.
What a Joke. Where to start.
9.99 for a name change.
9.99 for server transfer.
9.99 for character respec.
9.99 for dumb wedding pack (i think)
or for 10 bucks you can buy 100 mill inf from one of the stupid spam in game emails that continue to fill my in game mailbox. and with that 100 mill you can buy 5 in game respec recipies.
Note to NCSoft "The Grass might just be greener in the other game"
The state of this game is falling fast.
* Drop Rates for anything of any sort of use just stinks.
* Market is just sick, over priced. (i can aford it, but others cant)
* Way way way to much farming because of the first 2 i listed. (yes im guilty)
* Content is OLD. Yes even the 10 misson in the new zone got old after the first 2 weeks.
* Every new issue leads to many more bugs that you cant fix, but somehow find the time to crunch numbers or what ever goes on there to come to the conclusion that energy transfer needed nerfed and that the 3rd mission in the ITF is acceptable. (boy if i let our mail server at work die and told the boss ahhh dont worry they can use the phone if the need to get a message to someone id be out of a job) its amazes me some people there still have jobs.
All of the above and we still give you 15 bucks a month per acct. For what? Crashing, Lag, Slow Loads, Old Content, Bugged Missions, Patches that cause more problems, i could go on but you get the point. Oh and i didnt even mention PVP.
you should give us at least: 1 free transfer per month, 1 free respec per month, 1 free name change per month, and never ever ever charge us for costume pieces.
Oh and would a red name like to tell me why the "enable profanity" option is in the game. I mean if "toon one" enables it that must mean he doesnt care about BAD WORDS. So the guy who enables it can send a petition because he saw one fly in broadcast. Something is really wrong there, i think you should rethink that. Its set to ignore profanity by default so you have to go enable it which in my book mean i dont care if someone swears.
Have a good day,
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or for 10 bucks you can buy 100 mill inf from one of the stupid spam in game emails that continue to fill my in game mailbox. and with that 100 mill you can buy 5 in game respec recipies.
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Sure, if I wanted to lose my game account, I could do that.
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All of the above and we still give you 15 bucks a month per acct. For what? Crashing, Lag, Slow Loads, Old Content, Bugged Missions, Patches that cause more problems, i could go on but you get the point. Oh and i didnt even mention PVP.
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So..... can I have your stuff when you go then?
I'll never need to purchase one, ever .. but I see no problem with charging the people who want to change powers so frequently. If they want it, they can a) wait b) Pay for it.
Hooray Options.
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I'll never need to purchase one, ever .. but I see no problem with charging the people who want to change powers so frequently. If they want it, they can a) wait b) Pay for it.
Hooray Options.
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What about the people who want it, but cannot pay for it? Or cant afford it? It only creates a greater gap between the haves and the havenots. Any content that is not given to everyone only makes a wider gap.
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Any content that is not given to everyone
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Everyone has access to at least 4 different ways to get respecs that don't cost any real world money. I don't see a problem here.
Will I ever pay real money for respecs? Probably not. I usually worry more about losing freespecs at this point.
Personally, if I had to/could pay for something in this game it would be either costume parts or permenant temp powers.
That being said I think the price is way too high, although if possible could you keep the purchasable respecs on test free? I like the idea of Test as a "Sandbox" where things aren't as set in stone as the live servers are.
BTW guys rework the salvage drop rates a little or if you're going to add more recipes don't have them use those fraking deific weapons.
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lol... this Thread is getting too big...
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But not everyone is a looooong time VET. And if you are learning the game, it lets you correct stupid mistakes. And for those with the money to burn, to test stupid things...
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Yeah, but I seemed to do OK making stupid mistakes back when I first started, and had NO RECOURSE until they introduced the respec trials. Which i did, with friends. Uphill in the snow.
(Honestly, my only complaint with this is it seems like everything's being made available so you never actually have to check out any of the game's non-newspaper grinding. I don't know if you guys know this, but exploring is fun, and actually earning things gives you some pride in it.)
There's also the test server, for testing things out. The hint is in the name.
(I'm not swiping at you specifically -- just wondering why people care this much about an additional, minor revenue stream that affects gameplay not one bit.)
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So you´re a loooong Vet... and had to learn with your mistakes. We all do. Not doing it is stupid. But that doesnt make us to do the same. In the past people used lead in pipes. And they got poisoned. They learned not to. Should i stop with copper and other materials because i didnt used lead?
And not everyone uses the Test Server. And for some good reasons, ranging from having to install a new build on pc to not wanting to spend time playing in a temporary enviroment.
And why i am trolling about something so small?
I will keep playing the game, EXPLORING, having fun (and in my own vision of fun, not someone else´s vision) and hanging around with friends. And, of course, spending all my influence on costumes!
All the changes the Devs bring will be flamed. Will be trolled. But as I have seen, they were all good. So those that need/want to have 100000 respecs can buy then. And help the game´s growth (or getting a new coffe machine to the devs! I dont care. More money to NCSOFT!).
My wish list for things to buy are:
Costume slots (more! more! more!)
Costume options! (many more!)
Funny emotes! (Yay!)
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