Discussion: Gamezone and Powerset Proliferation
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Posted on: 2008-03-27 13:00 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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I checked the Dom set, 4 melee or pbAoE powers, plus one new power still leaves us 4 powers short.
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Don't forget a Build-Up (new grpahics, same old power). Also, at least one single-target immobilise. If it's a Sleep, I can see also having an Area sleep. So that's three more powers, out of the four missing ones, right there. Maybe add Lift, which is more a knock-down than an immobilise.
This would have been a perfect chanch for them too balance team pvp between vills and heroes... Might as well call this game City of Blasters now... should have known we was gonna get shafted...i hate you! i hateyou! ,,l,,lollol,,l,,
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Also keep in mind that we haven't seen exactly what powers are in each of the "new" sets, or in what order they appear, or numbers...etc. Don't let yourselves be underwhelmed until you test it.
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Bah, you don't really expect people to follow reasonable advice, do you? I thought the whole Psy Blaster debacle proved that being reasonable has no place here.
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Reasonable advice has no place on the Internet! 
Actually, I am rather looking forward to running an Axe Brute, and being as borderline-obsessed with Electric powers as I am, it's nice to see more Archetypes get them.
I want to see what-all powers are in the sets, and in what order. Some of 'em we more or less know, but what's in Mental Manipulation? What got knocked out of Electric Melee for Assassin's... um... Shock(?) and Placate?
Assassin's Surge? Charge? Electrical-Sounding Word That Can Be Associated With Severe Pain? That's it! Assassin's ESWTCBAWSP!
Man, this Powerset Proliferation business is harder than the devs make it look...
BackAlleyBrawler: I can't facepalm this post hard enough.
ShoNuff: If sophisticated = bro-mantically emo-tastic, then I'm going to keep to my Shonen loving simplicity dammit.
Well... I think the decided "Psychic Blasters are awesome! So are Cold Defenders... whoa... wait a minute... that shakes a lot up! We better not do anything that shakes up anything else. Give everything else the safest most nuetral things we can find."
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Now tempted to roll up an ice/thermal controller so I can set Jack Frost on fire.
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Damn, that's an awesome visual. Now I'm gonna have to do that too.
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/agree.. awesome idea...
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/concur .... gimme some Baked Alaska!
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"It has long been understood that even heroes who gain their abilities through technology, nature, or science are somehow special, the pinnacle of human achievement. Many theorize that these super-powered beings are connected into some sort of power nexus beyond our comprehension. Although the exact nature of this energy grid is unknown, I believe that it acts as a control network for super power distribution."
People of magical origin...
Hmmm. Heroes of magical origin work off the grid I suppose. 
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Key word is even. It was already known that characters of Magic and Mutant origin are special and tie into the nexus.
Thx for the news NCNC. Keep it comin.
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My immediate guess as to why Elec Melee/Elec Armor didn't go heroside is because of the necessary color change. If it were THAT easy, we'd have power customization already.
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um that part is doable. is done for other sets now. Corruptors getting electrical blast.. as seen in the article linked previously..
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All the villain electrical effects are of course tinted in the evil red that City of Villain players have come to be familiar with.
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tinting per powerset is doable.. not per character...
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Tomorrow... "Tomorrow" isn't a problem, and in fact, is pretty informative all on it's own, compared to the oft-quoted: Soon™...
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And just think, we've got more goodies for you next week too!
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Unless its an announcement of electric/electric added for tankers, I don't think I'll be all that excited. *yawns*
http://pc.gamezone.com/news/03_28_08_10_41AM.htm
The follow up is on Gamezone now too. I surrender my last hope that this was an absurd prank.
On the subject of Electric Stalkers (I think easily the biggest WTF?! of the list), I'm slowly talking myself into being excited. Or at least cautiously optimistic. I'd bet the decision behind this has to do with making Scirocco fit in better as a patron concept. With Brutes having the only powers with matching themes and effects, picking Scirocco caused some fairly obvious style clash with a lot of concepts. Now with MMs and Corrs getting /Storm, Doms getting /Elec, Corrs getting Electric Blast and Stalkers geting Elec/Elec, Scirocco's a lot less of an odd duck. Not that he was ever as out there concept-wise as Mako and his Magical Throwing Sharks or Black Scorpion's maces-you-can't-hit-people-with-that-shoot-poisoned-lightning...
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There's no way I can truly say I'm disappointed in the information, as I think any power proliferation is awesome (Yes, yes, tweaking things based on AT for balance, OF COURSE).
I too hope that more and more of this is done during the next Issues.
I was definitely hoping for something different for Scrappers and Tankers, but whatever... hopefully they'll continue to cross things over.
An Energy Melee Scrapper (Or super strength) just seemed like a great choice and I 'd have preferred an Elec/Elec Tank.
Hey, I'm sure there are some people immensely happy with each choice that some others are not-so-crazy about.
I think the info probably should have just been given earlier. All this build-up usually just gets people's expectations too high, but that matters not... Huzzah to Power Proliferation!!
Thanks!
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Fire/Fire scrappers?
hmmmmmm
wait.....
AUGH! danger danger!
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My immediate guess as to why Elec Melee/Elec Armor didn't go heroside is because of the necessary color change. If it were THAT easy, we'd have power customization already.
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um that part is doable. is done for other sets now. Corruptors getting electrical blast.. as seen in the article linked previously..
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Of COURSE it's doable. Just not easily. The problem with moving the Electric Melee/Armor to heroside is that the effects don't all exist in Hero blue. On the other hand, between the Mu patron powers and Mu NPC's all of the effects in Electric Blast are already available in red. A lot less effort that having to recolor the remaining Melee/Armor effects to blue, I'm sure.
Like I said, if it were easy, we'd already have power customization.
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I did Predict Fire/Fire for Scrappers, go meh!
I also predicted Lighting Blast for Corrs, woot. Heck I predicted alot, some though did catch me by surprise
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This article has been changed from the original posting. I looked at it last night and instead of some silly story it had a list of all the new powersets. I'll provide a list (from memory).
Tanks: Dark Armor, Dark Melee
Scrappers: Fire Armor, Fire Melee
Stalkers: Electric Armor, Electric Melee
Controllers: Plant Control, Thermal
Brutes: Battle Axe, Warmace, Super Reflexes
Blasters: Psi Blast, Mental Manip
Defenders: Cold Domination, Ice Blast
Masterminds: Storm
Dominators: Stone Control, Electric Assault
Corruptors: Storm, Electric Blast
That's what I remember from the list. So you all don't need to wait till tomorrow. Sorry if someone else has already posted this.
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My guess as far as this goes is that Defenders will also get thermal once they've figured out a way to make it's already-insane debuffs (fenders are the debuff kings, no?) even more insane but somehow still balanced. I'd like to see Rad Blast blasters and Fire Blast defenders also, hopefully these will be some of the future additions. I'd also [u]REALLY[u] love to have Dark Miasma controller buffs/debuffs. Plzplzplz!
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I'm a little disappointed. I thought the idea behind powerset proliferation was not only to expand each AT's powerset selection, but to give access to powersets the other side didn't have.
Blasters are getting a defender blast, but also an entirely new set
Brutes getting two primaries from tankers
Controllers getting a dominator set and a corruptor set
Corruptors getting defender sets
Defenders getting corruptor sets
Dominators getting a controller set and blaster set
Masterminds getting a defender set
But scrappers are getting tanker sets?
Tankers are getting scrapper sets?
Stalkers are getting brute sets?
What the hell?
There is no electric/electric representation on the heroside, so why not port that over to either tankers or scrappers? There's no ice melee and ice armor reprentation villainside, so why not port that over to stalkers?
I mean, if I want a fire/fire melee hero, I could just build a tanker. And if I want an elec/elec melee villain, I could just make a brute.
I'd really love to know what the reasoning behind the choices for these 3 ATs were.
And no, this isn't just whining for the sake of whining. I'm not entirely thrilled with some of the choices they made for the other ATs, but at least with those they're really spreading the love around. Ice controllers get no love while fire controllers do. MMs get only one secondary while brutes get two primaries and a secondary... I get that there are no other pet powerset ATs to share over to MMs, but at least they could have gotten two secondaries to compensate. Still, at least the one set they got they got came from the hero side and wasn't just another villain set.
[/ QUOTE ]I gotta agree with this sentiment they could have thrown in /kin for MMs and that would have easily made up for the fact that they're aren't any pet sets they could port to MMs. Also electric blast for Cors? Meh it isn't a bad choice but I was hoping beyond hope that Archery would make the cut
Ninja/Kin
Ninja/Storm
Archery/Kin
would have been some badaz combinations aw well there is still VEATs to keep me interested in I12
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I'm a little disappointed. I thought the idea behind powerset proliferation was not only to expand each AT's powerset selection, but to give access to powersets the other side didn't have.
Blasters are getting a defender blast, but also an entirely new set
Brutes getting two primaries from tankers
Controllers getting a dominator set and a corruptor set
Corruptors getting defender sets
Defenders getting corruptor sets
Dominators getting a controller set and blaster set
Masterminds getting a defender set
But scrappers are getting tanker sets?
Tankers are getting scrapper sets?
Stalkers are getting brute sets?
What the hell?
There is no electric/electric representation on the heroside, so why not port that over to either tankers or scrappers? There's no ice melee and ice armor reprentation villainside, so why not port that over to stalkers?
I mean, if I want a fire/fire melee hero, I could just build a tanker. And if I want an elec/elec melee villain, I could just make a brute.
I'd really love to know what the reasoning behind the choices for these 3 ATs were.
And no, this isn't just whining for the sake of whining. I'm not entirely thrilled with some of the choices they made for the other ATs, but at least with those they're really spreading the love around. Ice controllers get no love while fire controllers do. MMs get only one secondary while brutes get two primaries and a secondary... I get that there are no other pet powerset ATs to share over to MMs, but at least they could have gotten two secondaries to compensate. Still, at least the one set they got they got came from the hero side and wasn't just another villain set.
[/ QUOTE ]I gotta agree with this sentiment they could have thrown in /kin for MMs and that would have easily made up for the fact that they're aren't any pet sets they could port to MMs. Also electric blast for Cors? Meh it isn't a bad choice but I was hoping beyond hope that Archery would make the cut
Ninja/Kin
Ninja/Storm
Archery/Kin
would have been some badaz combinations aw well there is still VEATs to keep me interested in I12
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To clarify the person you quoted, scrappers are getting brute sets, not necessarily tanker sets.
But can you imagine the carnage from a MM with all pets out and hitting fulcrum shift? Plus all your pets speed boosted? The devs have said that they are not ready for MM to get /kin just yet.
Uber Talgrim - level 50 emp/dark defender
Uber Rod - level 50 dark melee/regen scrapper
Rod Valdr - level 50 invuln/SS tanker
Talgrim - level 50 ninja/dark mastermind
OMG!! Please add these costume designs now!
I like PoPr but I am not that much a fan of the power picks
Mace/Elec and Ninja/Storm are the only ones I plan on using
-pls pls pls share APPs between tanks and scrappers and share them with brutes and stalkers.
-Share Blaster and Defender Apps with Cors, Doms and MMs Controller APPs with MMs
-Share Controller APPs with MMs
Yes you read that right give MM players the choice to choose between Defender, Controller and Blaster exclusive APPs. MMs all play differently and as such are one of the most versatile ATs in the game. Those 3 Different AT exclusive APP types would all complement MMs in different ways.
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I'm a little disappointed. I thought the idea behind powerset proliferation was not only to expand each AT's powerset selection, but to give access to powersets the other side didn't have.
Blasters are getting a defender blast, but also an entirely new set
Brutes getting two primaries from tankers
Controllers getting a dominator set and a corruptor set
Corruptors getting defender sets
Defenders getting corruptor sets
Dominators getting a controller set and blaster set
Masterminds getting a defender set
But scrappers are getting tanker sets?
Tankers are getting scrapper sets?
Stalkers are getting brute sets?
What the hell?
There is no electric/electric representation on the heroside, so why not port that over to either tankers or scrappers? There's no ice melee and ice armor reprentation villainside, so why not port that over to stalkers?
I mean, if I want a fire/fire melee hero, I could just build a tanker. And if I want an elec/elec melee villain, I could just make a brute.
I'd really love to know what the reasoning behind the choices for these 3 ATs were.
And no, this isn't just whining for the sake of whining. I'm not entirely thrilled with some of the choices they made for the other ATs, but at least with those they're really spreading the love around. Ice controllers get no love while fire controllers do. MMs get only one secondary while brutes get two primaries and a secondary... I get that there are no other pet powerset ATs to share over to MMs, but at least they could have gotten two secondaries to compensate. Still, at least the one set they got they got came from the hero side and wasn't just another villain set.
[/ QUOTE ]I gotta agree with this sentiment they could have thrown in /kin for MMs and that would have easily made up for the fact that they're aren't any pet sets they could port to MMs. Also electric blast for Cors? Meh it isn't a bad choice but I was hoping beyond hope that Archery would make the cut
Ninja/Kin
Ninja/Storm
Archery/Kin
would have been some badaz combinations aw well there is still VEATs to keep me interested in I12
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To clarify the person you quoted, scrappers are getting brute sets, not necessarily tanker sets.
But can you imagine the carnage from a MM with all pets out and hitting fulcrum shift? Plus all your pets speed boosted? The devs have said that they are not ready for MM to get /kin just yet.
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Unlike say fire imps that only have one power, fully upgraded MM pets have like 6-10 powers and they're isn't that much of a gap between the end of one attack cycle and the begining of the next
THUS it would not be as powerful a combination as any doom sayer says
But Villains don't get APPs.
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I like PoPr but I am not that much a fan of the power picks
Mace/Elec and Ninja/Storm are the only ones I plan on using
-pls pls pls share APPs between tanks and scrappers and share them with brutes and stalkers.
-Share Blaster and Defender Apps with Cors, Doms and MMs Controller APPs with MMs
-Share Controller APPs with MMs
Yes you read that right give MM players the choice to choose between Defender, Controller and Blaster exclusive APPs. MMs all play differently and as such are one of the most versatile ATs in the game. Those 3 Different AT exclusive APP types would all complement MMs in different ways.
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I'm a little disappointed. I thought the idea behind powerset proliferation was not only to expand each AT's powerset selection, but to give access to powersets the other side didn't have.
Blasters are getting a defender blast, but also an entirely new set
Brutes getting two primaries from tankers
Controllers getting a dominator set and a corruptor set
Corruptors getting defender sets
Defenders getting corruptor sets
Dominators getting a controller set and blaster set
Masterminds getting a defender set
But scrappers are getting tanker sets?
Tankers are getting scrapper sets?
Stalkers are getting brute sets?
What the hell?
There is no electric/electric representation on the heroside, so why not port that over to either tankers or scrappers? There's no ice melee and ice armor reprentation villainside, so why not port that over to stalkers?
I mean, if I want a fire/fire melee hero, I could just build a tanker. And if I want an elec/elec melee villain, I could just make a brute.
I'd really love to know what the reasoning behind the choices for these 3 ATs were.
And no, this isn't just whining for the sake of whining. I'm not entirely thrilled with some of the choices they made for the other ATs, but at least with those they're really spreading the love around. Ice controllers get no love while fire controllers do. MMs get only one secondary while brutes get two primaries and a secondary... I get that there are no other pet powerset ATs to share over to MMs, but at least they could have gotten two secondaries to compensate. Still, at least the one set they got they got came from the hero side and wasn't just another villain set.
[/ QUOTE ]I gotta agree with this sentiment they could have thrown in /kin for MMs and that would have easily made up for the fact that they're aren't any pet sets they could port to MMs. Also electric blast for Cors? Meh it isn't a bad choice but I was hoping beyond hope that Archery would make the cut
Ninja/Kin
Ninja/Storm
Archery/Kin
would have been some badaz combinations aw well there is still VEATs to keep me interested in I12
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To clarify the person you quoted, scrappers are getting brute sets, not necessarily tanker sets.
But can you imagine the carnage from a MM with all pets out and hitting fulcrum shift? Plus all your pets speed boosted? The devs have said that they are not ready for MM to get /kin just yet.
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Unlike say fire imps that only have one power, fully upgraded MM pets have like 6-10 powers and they're isn't that much of a gap between the end of one attack cycle and the begining of the next
THUS it would not be as powerful a combination as any doom sayer says
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Uber Talgrim - level 50 emp/dark defender
Uber Rod - level 50 dark melee/regen scrapper
Rod Valdr - level 50 invuln/SS tanker
Talgrim - level 50 ninja/dark mastermind
OMG!! Please add these costume designs now!
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But Villains don't get APPs
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PP is perfect chance to correct that injustice
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Eh, I dunno ...
It seems like quite a few power sets on that list are real head-scratchers. And there's no real verification about where that list came from. I think I'll wait until gamezone puts up their version of what's to come; at least we know that they're getting info from the source.
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Did you read the link that was posted with the list? From: http://www.totalvideogames.com/artic...e_12_12989.htm
It's definitely the same stuff, Dr. Brainstorm revealing the powers in story format.
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So they copied and pasted yesterdays article from Gamezone. That doesn't tell us anything. Until I see Redname Confirmation, I'm assuming this "TVG Exclusive" is a hoax.
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so you're assuming the UK City of Heroes site is propagating a hoax then? because the TVG article is linked there.
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The list is suspect IMO
1) For Doms it say Electric Manipulation and not Assault
2) SR Brutes, give me a break
3) Thermal Controllers, so now controllers have more healing options than Defenders?
Maybe it's me, but it's weird.