Whatever will be will be. We'll just keep bringing storm teams and other groups will keep stacking vengeance and whoever wins wins. If that means more storm v. storm matches, I'll be happy. I think those matches where there is strategy and nuance as much as twitch and venge gathers are more fun.
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I also [censored] love how nobody got on LD or NDX about Venge stacking like the Freaks are on us now...
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We've taken our fair share of grief over stacking veng. Our match with OS is pretty much what set off this whole firestorm, and there have been quite a few people that have said, publicly and in tells, that we're pretty much nothing without it...even though we've had vengless scrimmages (before and since) and the results were the same as the matches with.
After the OS match and all the crap we took about veng stacking, we pretty much stopped practicing it...and it showed in our scrimmages against Velocity on Monday.
I'm more or less of the opinion that, yes, I'd like to see the bug fixed, but as long as it isn't, we're going to keep practicing the way we were. Unless you explicitly forbid veng in a match, there's no way to regulate its use and no reason to expect your opponent wont be using it against you.
Everyone can keep crying about veng stacking all they want, but until the Devs fix it, we either deal with it as is or forbid its use completely. There's no other answer.
So, what do we all want to do?
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I'm more or less of the opinion that, yes, I'd like to see the bug fixed, but as long as it isn't, we're going to keep practicing the way we were. Unless you explicitly forbid veng in a match, there's no way to regulate its use and no reason to expect your opponent wont be using it against you.
Everyone can keep crying about veng stacking all they want, but until the Devs fix it, we either deal with it as is or forbid its use completely. There's no other answer.
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Exactly.
I vote forbid completely or limit to a max of 1 toon having it per team. Good post though, Goldie.
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Anti-Venge groups are the ones that [censored] suck at it,
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Or maybe we don't like the effect the exploit has on the game...
We have delt with it our answer is the storm. We practice against the storm with our own jump team and found its a great match. You guys want a match vs us then lets do it keep the practice crap out of it. From what I saw was your vengeance motivated team kick a non vengeance motivated teams butt. I also saw when you guys cant get vengeance you frankly have no concentraded fire what so ever. Lets stop talking and do a match you have your play style we have ours, vengeance or no vengance your choice!!!! Lets just do this and see how much you got to say after it..
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We have delt with it our answer is the storm. We practice against the storm with our own jump team and found its a great match. You guys want a match vs us then lets do it keep the practice crap out of it. From what I saw was your vengeance motivated team kick a non vengeance motivated teams butt. I also saw when you guys cant get vengeance you frankly have no concentraded fire what so ever. Lets stop talking and do a match you have your play style we have ours, vengeance or no vengance your choice!!!! Lets just do this and see how much you got to say after it..
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Exactly who was this directed at?
We have put out challenges up for eveyone in game of COH and COV, sign up or shut up. Date time? Vengeance or no Tier 3 or no lets get this going and see whos the best.
HoJ vs FoL
No travel powers
No temp powers
Tactical Start
No insps
No Perception
Yes Invis
You have to kill me to win
Fair enough? 
Artic Air.
And the only map is eden
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Storms are fine as are.
Our jump team has beaten our 4 storm team.
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Not really. Being able to put someones Rng in the negatives is just retarded.
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Try avoiding the cane. It can be done.
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And the only map is eden
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Boo hiss
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We have delt with it our answer is the storm. We practice against the storm with our own jump team and found its a great match. You guys want a match vs us then lets do it keep the practice crap out of it. From what I saw was your vengeance motivated team kick a non vengeance motivated teams butt. I also saw when you guys cant get vengeance you frankly have no concentraded fire what so ever. Lets stop talking and do a match you have your play style we have ours, vengeance or no vengance your choice!!!! Lets just do this and see how much you got to say after it..
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MIGHT MAKES RIGHT, ZEIG HIEL!
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And the only map is eden
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Boo hiss
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sorry but every other map is too cheap
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We have delt with it our answer is the storm. We practice against the storm with our own jump team and found its a great match. You guys want a match vs us then lets do it keep the practice crap out of it. From what I saw was your vengeance motivated team kick a non vengeance motivated teams butt. I also saw when you guys cant get vengeance you frankly have no concentraded fire what so ever. Lets stop talking and do a match you have your play style we have ours, vengeance or no vengance your choice!!!! Lets just do this and see how much you got to say after it..
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MIGHT MAKES RIGHT, ZEIG HIEL!
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Do you have a time or date in mind? Stipulations?
If Velocity is ready officials, we asked em 1st :P
3 WAY DANCE!
3 WAY DANCE!
hit'em with the chair!
A 3 way match would be [censored] epic.
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I vote forbid completely or limit to a max of 1 toon having it per team. Good post though, Goldie.
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you meant the power set storm summoning, right?
i know NDX has played a little with storm teams... i personnally find them to be really cheesy. It was way too easy to get kills/stay alive. its pretty much a joke fighting vs any normal team.
i have found the most entertaining and skill involved matches are two jump teams going at eachother. This will be especially true once vengeance is fixed. I personally cant wait, i think it will be much less of a dominant one sided victory, and actually have momentum and it will go back and forth.
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I vote forbid completely or limit to a max of 1 toon having it per team. Good post though, Goldie.
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you meant the power set storm summoning, right?
i know NDX has played a little with storm teams... i personnally find them to be really cheesy. It was way too easy to get
kills/stay alive. its pretty much a joke fighting vs any normal team.
i have found the most entertaining and skill involved matches are two jump teams going at eachother. This will be especially true once vengeance is fixed. I personally cant wait, i think it will be much less of a dominant one sided victory, and actually have momentum and it will go back and forth.
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jump teams are boring.
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GL HF with this thread. It's a lost [censored] cause. Anti-Venge groups are the ones that [censored] suck at it, just like anti-storm groups are the ones that can win without it.
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so if you're anti-vengeance it's 'cuz you suck...
and if you're anti-storm it's 'cuz you're sweet?
'scuse me while i laugh in your face.
BWAAAHAAAAHAAAA!
no, what he is saying is that everyone here is biased, which is absolutely true.
the people who run storm teams defend that it is not just an easy win, and requires skill. that is mainly the freaks.
the people who use run and gun venge teams defend that its not easy to get it stacked, and requires skill. This is mainly everyone else.
from my experiance, both are overpowered and cheesy. and generally storm > vengeance gathering, becuase of -range and freezing rain on the body. This is why storm teams are doing so well right now, because they disrupt the vengeance gathers.
So after vengeance gets nerfed, whats next to nerf? Taking someone to cap damage, acc, and defense its just a cheap as taking someone to negative range, IMHO. And guess what, you need multiple vengeance users to achieve the caps, just like needing multiple stormies to achieve the -range cap (if there really is one).
So its up to the devs on what they want. Do they want players to have the ability to cap all their toons stats in a PvP match? They already answered that with their attempts to fix the vengeance stacking. But how about allowing teams to take away all range from another team? Can't really tell that, maybe that will be the next PvP nerf.
AFAIK, veng stacking was around for a while, until the pre-match stacking came about and that the info leaked onto the boards. So it wasn't really a problem until then, apparently.
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I love how all the non-storm players consider storm teams the same Easy-mode that venge stacking is.
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Well gathering and all getting off a veng at the same time and staying alive is pretty comparible to running around with 4 hurricanes and buffing the [censored] out of people to were they pretty much cant do anything.
Oh and we have a storm team. We just think its pretty cheap.