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Hey Paladin. Valid. Specific suggestions?
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Write your damn Congressman. 
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I don't have one.....
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Me neither... And saddly/luckly my contry is alot less sue-happy then the US of A... so no one would bother....
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"You guys can vent all you want, but if you want to actually do something about it your frustrations are better spent elsewhere." -- ThePaladin
Hey Paladin. Valid. Specific suggestions?
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Write your damn Congressman.
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As if that would work. It seems to me that, in general, the publics impression of Video games is tainted the same way the gaming communities view of a PVPer is tainted. It doesnt matter if their are exceptions or if it is even the majority. It is the few bad games/players who warrant its removal.
The gaming community is much smaller yet we can't come to some sort of reasonable understanding about that. How are we supposed to alter the perception America has on video games? Insanity is insanity anywhere. You can't reason with it.
I imagine you've still some way to petition your government.
And if you're not too keen on supressing opposing opinion through federal and state intervention, you could always put forth the same time, effort and manpower the creators of the video displayed in order to make something countering it's claims. Productivity! With the kind of outrage each of these threads produce every time they pop up, I'm sure something impressive can come out of it.
The Paladin
Steel Canyon, Virtue
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Heh. what we should do is put together a trailer villifying congress. Maybe pick a few scenes that dont make sense among all the scenes that might be in theme. Congress raises taxes, congress starts wars, congress has sex.
To bad we dont have tax dollars to distribute it.
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"You guys can vent all you want, but if you want to actually do something about it your frustrations are better spent elsewhere." -- ThePaladin
Hey Paladin. Valid. Specific suggestions?
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Write your damn Congressman.
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I don't have one.....
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Me neither... And saddly/luckly my contry is alot less sue-happy then the US of A... so no one would bother....
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Don't have one either.
If past trends are any indication, my country is likely to follow the US's lead in whatever they decide for computer/videogames.
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Heh. what we should do is put together a trailer villifying congress. Maybe pick a few scenes that dont make sense among all the scenes that might be in theme. Congress raises taxes, congress starts wars, congress has sex.
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True, but just edit in a few scenes from 24, and you'd have viewers. Just chuck it on youtube.
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"You guys can vent all you want, but if you want to actually do something about it your frustrations are better spent elsewhere." -- ThePaladin
Hey Paladin. Valid. Specific suggestions?
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Write your damn Congressman.
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I don't have one.....
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Me neither... And saddly/luckly my contry is alot less sue-happy then the US of A... so no one would bother....
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Don't have one either.
If past trends are any indication, my country is likely to follow the US's lead in whatever they decide for computer/videogames.
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You live in the UK? generally speaking we've often rejected more "elaborate" calls for laws over issues like this, hell this subject came up again last September and was quickly ignored into oblivion.
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Heh. what we should do is put together a trailer villifying congress. Maybe pick a few scenes that dont make sense among all the scenes that might be in theme. Congress raises taxes, congress starts wars, congress has sex.
To bad we dont have tax dollars to distribute it.
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True, but just edit in a few scenes from 24, and you'd have viewers. Just chuck it on youtube.
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Demonstrate absurdity by being absurd 
I don't have the equipment or knowhow to edit anything together though.
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As if that would work. It seems to me that, in general, the publics impression of Video games is tainted the same way the gaming communities view of a PVPer is tainted. It doesnt matter if their are exceptions or if it is even the majority. It is the few bad games/players who warrant its removal.
The gaming community is much smaller yet we can't come to some sort of reasonable understanding about that. How are we supposed to alter the perception America has on video games? Insanity is insanity anywhere. You can't reason with it.
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I'm getting dangerously close to expressing my opinion on this issue, so I'm going to let a cliche do it for me.
"It's better to light a candle than to curse the darkness."
If you underestimate the value of a single person with the drive to do something great, well, I don't know what to tell you. Except that somehow America did manage to win its independence way back when it took on the superpowers of the day. I think that's inspiring enough to show that anything's possible in this country, y'know?
The one thing that gets me frustrated, though, is seeing outrage and frustration become impotent rather than productive. Issues like these, where it comes to culture, are more about willpower than they are about financing or numbers.
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Steel Canyon, Virtue
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You live in the UK? generally speaking we've often rejected more "elaborate" calls for laws over issues like this, hell this subject came up again last September and was quickly ignored into oblivion.
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I'm currently in the US for studies, but "home" (and citizenship) is in Singapore.
Videogames and such are usually not important enough to warrant actual government debates, but if a "global trend" (read: US legislation) has such things being labelled as "morally bad", then it's likely (not a given, I admit, but still likely) that Singapore will pass legislation stating the same.
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As if that would work. It seems to me that, in general, the publics impression of Video games is tainted the same way the gaming communities view of a PVPer is tainted. It doesnt matter if their are exceptions or if it is even the majority. It is the few bad games/players who warrant its removal.
The gaming community is much smaller yet we can't come to some sort of reasonable understanding about that. How are we supposed to alter the perception America has on video games? Insanity is insanity anywhere. You can't reason with it.
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I'm getting dangerously close to expressing my opinion on this issue, so I'm going to let a cliche do it for me.
"It's better to light a candle than to curse the darkness."
If you underestimate the value of a single person with the drive to do something great, well, I don't know what to tell you. Except that somehow America did manage to win its independence way back when it took on the superpowers of the day. I think that's inspiring enough to show that anything's possible in this country, y'know?
The one thing that gets me frustrated, though, is seeing outrage and frustration become impotent rather than productive. Issues like these, where it comes to culture, are more about willpower then they are about financing or numbers.
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But you still needed coaxing to fight for those same rights during World War 2 though 
Haha. Yeah, you've got a point. Sometimes it's easy to lose sight of what you have when you have it rather than when you're fighting to preserve it.
The Paladin
Steel Canyon, Virtue
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Just like when they tryed to kill Comic Books so long ago.
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If thats this guys goal is too kill video games, im gonna personaly hunt him down.
My Lego Models http://www.flickr.com/photos/30369639@N07/ lemur lad: God you can't be that stupid... I'm on at the same time as you for once, and not 20 minutes into it you give me something worth petitioning?Lady-Dee: Hey my fat keeps me warm in the winter and shady in the summer.
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As if that would work. It seems to me that, in general, the publics impression of Video games is tainted the same way the gaming communities view of a PVPer is tainted. It doesnt matter if their are exceptions or if it is even the majority. It is the few bad games/players who warrant its removal.
The gaming community is much smaller yet we can't come to some sort of reasonable understanding about that. How are we supposed to alter the perception America has on video games? Insanity is insanity anywhere. You can't reason with it.
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I'm getting dangerously close to expressing my opinion on this issue, so I'm going to let a cliche do it for me.
"It's better to light a candle than to curse the darkness."
If you underestimate the value of a single person with the drive to do something great, well, I don't know what to tell you. Except that somehow America did manage to win its independence way back when it took on the superpowers of the day. I think that's inspiring enough to show that anything's possible in this country, y'know?
The one thing that gets me frustrated, though, is seeing outrage and frustration become impotent rather than productive. Issues like these, where it comes to culture, are more about willpower than they are about financing or numbers.
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No politician is going to tell me what to play. However they can tell game producers what to produce by levying hefty fines for violence and fees for being allowed to produce the content. It isn't a question of willpower because it isn't my will being tested.
There is a quote from a Dilber comic that I always kinda liked. Kinda goes along with the "demonstrateing absurdity by being absurd" bit.
Reality is dictated by those who are most insane.
So what should we do. March on washington all dressed as our favorite superhero? Flood the internet with point/counterpoint type videos? Start blowing stuff up? (Don't do this). I'd have to think on it a litle more to come up with something more concrete. Petition our congressmen heck. If its a question of willpower petition your videogame companies and publishers.
It's one thing to rate the games. I kinda like that as it tells me what to expect (usually anyway. How FFXII got a partial nudity rateing is beyond me) In general I don't like extreme violence yet I do enjoy games such as Silent hill or Dynasty Warriors.
Rockstar has been fighting them for quite a few years. They have experience. They problably have some inside scoop on how to fight the madness. Play their games or not it's the same fight.
So, is the trailer a sensationalistic commercial to spur interest in Spencer Halpin's documentary(for which he is still in need of a distributor)?
Or is the YouTube clip indicative of the tone of his entire work , and is it just a sloppy mess of scary propaganda?
I'd have to watch to find out - but since it's not the product of a powerful Conservative Christian Lobby or PAC, I'm not incensed.
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I'm extremely disappointed that an image of Statesman would be used in such a way. I know that we designed City of Heroes to appeal to "children of all ages." My proudest accomplishment with the game is that many parents (including my brother) play with their children...sharing, I hope, the same joy for the comic book world that I've had ever since I was 8. I cannot express the shock that I felt seeing that a character created by Cryptic would be used in the same sentence as Columbine.
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Now they lost me at the start... the quote goes something like this.
"Violence was considered a vice not a virtue"...
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Violence is our prime way of solving problems... No matter how much we try to look "advanced"... We bang stuff when it does not work, we hit or threaten to hit people who invade our private zone... ("removed by me as it could be considerd flamebait.")
Yes... Go on your little crusade... ride your high horses... *shakes head* animals, without though or understanding... only fear.
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Not to mention that "heroes" in the ancient worl, and in fact the bible, are often very very violent people. Yet they are the pinnacles of their culture. Violence HAS been considered a virtue. Hell, boxing is one of the oldest sports, and still very popular. What's more violent than watching two men beat each other?
Jay Doherty: Yes, there was this one night that I was ready to go home but had to drop the browns off at the super bowl before I left for home. While on the throne it hit me. I stayed for a few more hours and that why we have the pain pads in the game.
I don't even know what to think about that.... some games are out of control, but if they don't ban smoking (that has actually killed people, not influenced) then they shouldn't ban video games! As ridiculous as that trailer was, i think some should look at the Statesman clip from another viewpoint, maybe it was a good guy telling us to ban video games, or be more concerned what games come out... I know i'm gonna be flamed, but hey i always look at Statesman as the good guy.
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Now they lost me at the start... the quote goes something like this.
"Violence was considered a vice not a virtue"...
My [censored]...
Violence is our prime way of solving problems... No matter how much we try to look "advanced"... We bang stuff when it does not work, we hit or threaten to hit people who invade our private zone... ("removed by me as it could be considerd flamebait.")
Yes... Go on your little crusade... ride your high horses... *shakes head* animals, without though or understanding... only fear.
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Not to mention that "heroes" in the ancient worl, and in fact the bible, are often very very violent people. Yet they are the pinnacles of their culture. Violence HAS been considered a virtue. Hell, boxing is one of the oldest sports, and still very popular. What's more violent than watching two men beat each other?
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Yeah there's too much carrot and not enough stick in the world!
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I am not a fan of Rap but i don't believe Rap is ruining ideas. sure some of it is basically themed the same way and most people would consider inaproppiate as would i. But the truth is people do not want to live up to their mistakes and take the blame themselves. balming other people for people's problems will always happen it is human nature we do not want to be wrong and or ridiculed for what we have done. But if you live up to mistakes you have made people are more likely to forgive you (depending on the circumstances). And generaly speaking most peoples actions are based on how they were raised and life experiences not VIRTUAL ones.
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If thats this guys goal is too kill video games, im gonna personaly hunt him down.
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Video games just can't be killed at this point. The industry is a juggernaut. It's bigger than comic books ever were, some say bigger than television, and even rivals the movie industry. It takes in billions of dollars a year. The government would be stupid to do anything that could potentially kill off video games. It'd just cause companies like Microsoft and EA to move over to another country, hurting our economy.
Joe Lieberman's quote in that is particularly ridiculous in the context that they presented it in. The game industry responded to his ultimatum by creating a ratings system. One that is, in my mind, just as good as those used by the Film and Television industries.
However, I do have to point out that Lieberman has said, many times, that the Game Industry impressed him with their response and the ratings system. They're taking him as much out of context as they are the video games themselves.
I knew Jack Thompson was an idiot, but I could not imagine even he could see something bad about the, lets be honest, rather cartoony violence in CoX... even villain side....
Every generation has something in the media that people seem to want to blame for kids behaving badly, comics, tv, music, and now games :-/
I wish these people would get that if they don't like even mildly violent games, then they have every right not to purchase them. Why force their idea of 'moral entertainment' or whatever on the rest of us? as an atheist I'm kinda offended by the idea of the Left Behind game that came out a while ago, what with the converting unbelievers or killing them thing, but I'm not trying to get it taken off shelves, I'm just not going to buy it.
But I do know the chef! And he does have AIDs!!