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I will probably go see this. I've played GTA3 In the middle of hitman bloodmoney now and just Finished Gears of War. All very violent games. But I have no desire to go out and chainsaw some random preson in half. Parents are to blame, but so are the children. If they can't realize that if in real life you shoot your buddy in the head he doesnt have a respawn point.
If the kids can't see this I think they have morei ssues than the parents. But they are certainly to blame also.
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try working in a bingo hall and you will find all those urges... and a greatly diminished faith in humanity... True as true Aged_Ice.. true as true
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From what I've gathered, working in Customer Support or as a retailer tends to make people want to chainsaw customers in half. Or so I've heard 
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Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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i asume it is a very similar situation.
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Perhaps it would behoove the video game retailers to have large posters by the check-out registers that explain the game rating system to uninformed parents; the ratings currently given to video games are fine, but some parents are irresponsible.
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There's already some places like that. The local Gamestop here has a huge poster at the window to the right of the door, it's impossible to miss it on your way in.
What people should do is camp out for a week or two (I don't mean actually camping out with a tent and stuff) and video tape/interview customers purchasing GTA4 when it's released. (I hear it's in the works). Record the employees asking for I.D. to purchase the game and explaining the quantity of violence involved in playing the game to parents purchasing the game for their minor.
When the week's over, surely some will have returned and ranted about how they sold the game to their children and didn't warn them. Put it all together into a counter-documentary with a vibrant "Told you so" and "learn2parenting" and then post it on the internets and celebrate by eating nothing but cheetos for dinner.
No one wants to touch cheesy fingers...
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I'm extremely disappointed that an image of Statesman would be used in such a way. I know that we designed City of Heroes to appeal to "children of all ages." My proudest accomplishment with the game is that many parents (including my brother) play with their children...sharing, I hope, the same joy for the comic book world that I've had ever since I was 8. I cannot express the shock that I felt seeing that a character created by Cryptic would be used in the same sentence as Columbine.
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I have to agree. This really is an outrage in many ways and these people are distorting things as grotesquely as possible to paint video games as the things that causes social ills.
I've had a theory for quite a while that the Superhero medium has had a very profound effect upon modern society hidden within its entertainment.
One thing I think they overlook in video games is that for the most part, you are a hero. If you were to go and look at most games, you will find someone that had to risk their life to save their friends, family or even their world.
And while there are games where you are villains, this is usually shown that 'bad things' happen and villainy usually is evil.
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I haven't even finished watching the trailer and I saw something incredibly absurd. They show, 51 seconds in, Abe from Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee getting "electrocuted". That is from a cutscene of a 1997 PlayStation game that is a very "mild" game. It has as much violence as friggin' Super Mario! You don't even have a weapon in that game! And it's being labelled as a violent game on the line of GTA:SA? What a load of bull.
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I always suspected all those soccer moms 'shooting the moon' in online Hearts were out to destroy the solar system.
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Now they lost me at the start... the quote goes something like this.
"Violence was considered a vice not a virtue"...
My [censored]...
Violence is our prime way of solving problems... No matter how much we try to look "advanced"... We bang stuff when it does not work, we hit or threaten to hit people who invade our private zone... ("removed by me as it could be considerd flamebait.")
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Strength has often been exhibitied through violence. History's greatest figures, think Alexander the Great, were steeped in violence.
As for the image of Statesman, it would be interesting to see how people would react if another super hero, not from video games, was placed in his spot in the trailer. The two heroes who leap to mind are Superman, whose battle cry used to be for "Truth, Justice and the American Way", and Captain America.
If either of those more famous fictional figures had been used, the general public would think: "Wait a minute, Superman and Captain America are... bad?"
Ridiculous. Just ridiculous.
But at the same time Samuel_Tow i would hate to have alot of posts removed because i stated my opinion on religion and it's effect on the modern world... Better safe then sorry.. But then again you hit the nail on the head as far as i am concerned
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I'm extremely disappointed that an image of Statesman would be used in such a way. I know that we designed City of Heroes to appeal to "children of all ages." My proudest accomplishment with the game is that many parents (including my brother) play with their children...sharing, I hope, the same joy for the comic book world that I've had ever since I was 8. I cannot express the shock that I felt seeing that a character created by Cryptic would be used in the same sentence as Columbine.
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If that footage is copyrighted by NCSoft or Cryptic, I recommend you contact the producers of that film to have it removed. By using images of Statesman, the filmmakers not only impugned the noble (and American) ideals Statesman represents, but also destroyed any credibility they may have possessed--City of Heroes is not a violent or base game.
Statesman's inclusion into that trailer constitutes slander. It utterly misrepresents City of Heroes.
Ok. I have a story to tell on this BS of a movie dealing with the Columbine part.
First a little personal background. I was raised playing videogames way back in the Atari days and played Space Quest 1 when it was new. My parents taught me to shoot real guns when I was a kid. When I was in high school, my father gleefully told my family about playing Mortal Kombat in the arcade before the game hit the news (and he did see a fatality) and rented it for me when it came out for the SNES without me asking. I also play D&D. According to the nutjobs out there I should be a complete psychopath but the truth is I haven't been in as much as a simple school yard fight.
Now, I was watching the news when Columbine was happening and knew exactly what had happened and only one newstation confirmed it for me. The kids were bullied and wanted revenge. They had targets in mind during the attack... the people who had bullied them. I knew this because I was bullied in school too so the thought did cross my mind but the difference was I had good parents who spent time with me and taught me right from wrong.
The parents were the ones to blame for the events as they were not paying attention to their kids. They should have seen how their kids were acting and seen the arsonal they were building (it's not like it's too easy to hide that kind of weaponry). The same day Columbine happened, the media was being blamed. The first scapegoat I heard about was "The Matrix" then violent games. Of course, polititions can't blame the parents 'cause that would end the whole issue and wouldn't help them any.
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I'm extremely disappointed that an image of Statesman would be used in such a way. I know that we designed City of Heroes to appeal to "children of all ages." My proudest accomplishment with the game is that many parents (including my brother) play with their children...sharing, I hope, the same joy for the comic book world that I've had ever since I was 8. I cannot express the shock that I felt seeing that a character created by Cryptic would be used in the same sentence as Columbine.
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Because we live in a world today that likes to blame others for our own actions rather than taking account of our own indiscretions.
I guess next they'll target books as well for being violent, especially history books, what about news programmes as well? what then happens when there's nothing left to blame these "problems" on?
Yeah, I tend to speak my mind up front and then let moderators, forum censors or more subtle posters to clean up Mind you, I might do that subtly, but I have to say what I feel should be said.
Then again, better that I say it, because that way I get to keep the responsibility for it should wrath from above moderate the thread
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Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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[censored]? How do you put Statesman and Abe (Abe's Oddysee) into something talking about video game violence? I'm not surprised. Politicians will do anything they can to keep their name in the media.
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Ominous Music? Check!
Exaggeration? Check!
Clear focus to let anyone follow their reasoning from point A to point B?.........
It's the same style of scare tactics/scapegoating that has been around for over a generation.
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I'm extremely disappointed that an image of Statesman would be used in such a way. I know that we designed City of Heroes to appeal to "children of all ages." My proudest accomplishment with the game is that many parents (including my brother) play with their children...sharing, I hope, the same joy for the comic book world that I've had ever since I was 8. I cannot express the shock that I felt seeing that a character created by Cryptic would be used in the same sentence as Columbine.
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I feel ya States! I too play with my son who is 4. Yes 4 years old. I am 32. And he plays as good as some of the gamers that I have played with trhough my stint here in CoX since Beta of CoH. My son and I "Arrest" the bad guys, and in NO WAY do I feel this game is Violent like it is trying to be portrayed. If I felt for a moment that it was any where near the games of today which find blood & guts a common place, I would never let him near the computer. My son and I have loads of fun, and we participate in Missions, Task/Strike Forces, and even PvP Base Raids. My son (who turns 5 in end of Feb.) will continue playing this great MMO experience, despite how some would like to try and belittle it.
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Ominous Music? Check!
Exaggeration? Check!
Clear focus to let anyone follow their reasoning from point A to point B?.........
It's the same style of scare tactics/scapegoating that has been around for over a generation.
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And if you'd swapped out the "violent" bits and put say, Jewish people in there and described how they're destroying our society you could have had a Nazi propaganda film.
The same old tactics never die.
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I'm extremely disappointed that an image of Statesman would be used in such a way. I know that we designed City of Heroes to appeal to "children of all ages." My proudest accomplishment with the game is that many parents (including my brother) play with their children...sharing, I hope, the same joy for the comic book world that I've had ever since I was 8. I cannot express the shock that I felt seeing that a character created by Cryptic would be used in the same sentence as Columbine.
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If that footage is copyrighted by NCSoft or Cryptic, I recommend you contact the producers of that film to have it removed. By using images of Statesman, the filmmakers not only impugned the noble (and American) ideals Statesman represents, but also destroyed any credibility they may have possessed--City of Heroes is not a violent or base game.
Statesman's inclusion into that trailer constitutes slander. It utterly misrepresents City of Heroes.
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Wouldn't it be possible to use their blunder AGAINST them? Get the word out there.. throw in the American ideal stuff.. show as many people as possible what all this BS about video games really is.. alarmist propaganda. A few people are trying to spread fear and terror to the masses through ignorance. Shouldn't we be doing everything possible to uncover these types of people for what they really are?
I just know doing nothing won't work..
edit: Is it to much to hope that Cryptic will not take this laying down? They need to come down on this hard.
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I'm extremely disappointed that an image of Statesman would be used in such a way. I know that we designed City of Heroes to appeal to "children of all ages." My proudest accomplishment with the game is that many parents (including my brother) play with their children...sharing, I hope, the same joy for the comic book world that I've had ever since I was 8. I cannot express the shock that I felt seeing that a character created by Cryptic would be used in the same sentence as Columbine.
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If that footage is copyrighted by NCSoft or Cryptic, I recommend you contact the producers of that film to have it removed. By using images of Statesman, the filmmakers not only impugned the noble (and American) ideals Statesman represents, but also destroyed any credibility they may have possessed--City of Heroes is not a violent or base game.
Statesman's inclusion into that trailer constitutes slander. It utterly misrepresents City of Heroes.
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Wouldn't it be possible to use their blunder AGAINST them? Get the word out there.. throw in the American ideal stuff.. show as many people as possible what all this BS about video games really is.. alarmist propaganda. A few people are trying to spread fear and terror to the masses through ignorance. Shouldn't we be doing everything possible to uncover these types of people for what they really are?
I just know doing nothing won't work..
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Yes but people already know they're politicians, we can't vilify them any more than that 
It's a very slippery slope when one group of people insist that their morals should be everyone's morals. Times change and so do society's idea of what is morally correct. The odd quote about violence started from the days of cain and abel suggest to me that this is the work of the conservative religous 'right' trying to create an issue to attract more followers. Sad, very sad.
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One thing that these people don't seem to have taken into account is that we have FAR more access to media these days then ever before. In fact, its pushed on us as much as possible in order to push adverts on us.
The whole thing reminds me of how my brother often reacts. I tell him about the drunk fights that happen outside nightclubs in a nearby town and because that is ALL he hears about his belief is that I live near a warzone.
The simple fact is that I don't tell him about the thousands of people who have good fun nights out and don't get into trouble, because they aren't stories to talk about!
What I want to do is start a movement about how violence against video games is a desperate attempt to get kids onto the streets rather than safe in their homes.
To play devil's advocate, the Abe games allowed you to wantonly grind the little critters to yummy chunks of meat, blow them up with bombs, shoot them full of holes, drop them off high places, fry them with electricity or otherwise kill them cruely.
Of course, doing that got you dropped into a meat grinder at the end, because they didn't want to save you for being cruel to them, but I'm not sure how much that mitigates things
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Quote from the clip
"We are what we pretend to be..."
I hope to be able to master imps soon so I can PWN the world.
/em boggles
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If i could figure out how to get jack frost to kick Jack tompson.........then id rule te world first!!!
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What's unfortunate is that it will work.
Why can I say that?
Elections since 2000.
The information has been covered up by 'truthiness' (to trot out that increasingly-overused chestnut) that plays not to the logical mind, but to the emotions of the viewer. Facts are boring!
With prejudice and misinformation, extremists have done a great deal of damage to America's economy, morality, and foreign policy.
There's no reason to expect the successful tactics won't work again.
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I'm very glad that I am not the only person that feels this way. I was getting worried...
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