Do dominators suck like people say they do?
By
Aleshanee_NA,
Posted on: 2006-07-05 13:59 in Dominators
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It never ceases to amaze me how threads like these are able to generate so many pages. One thing I will say about the dominator forum is that it pwns that rest of the forums when it comes to threads asking about the viability of the AT.
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One guy even went into the Corr forums and saw that the AT's Damage/Debuff modifiers are both 75% Blaster/Defender respectively--he said Corrs didn't amount to much.
Immediately that entire thread turned into "you wouldn't think so from the numbers, but Corrs are the best designed AT there is." and they stated reasons why. No flamewars or anything.
That's why I love this forum. 
Plenty of drama for everyone.
Didnt Cor's get boosted to 85/75 in late beta?
Boycott Ncsoft if they close down Coh.
Corrupters are still 75/75. I've found the corrupter forum to actually be really helpful, but the dominator forum definitely has the lock on drama.
What do you get when you throw in some intelligent and vocal players who really know how to play the game With people who are earnestly trying to learn the AT With some lazy incompetent noobs who try at every turn to down toe AT and it's fanbase to get the AT molded in their own image and likeness?
You get. . .the Dominator forum aka the Jungle. Cavemen, Monsters, Gods roam the land. Rednames fear the dense jungle and only the bravest of men dare walk in these parts.
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What do you get when you throw in some intelligent and vocal players who really know how to play the game With people who are earnestly trying to learn the AT With some lazy incompetent noobs who try at every turn to down toe AT and it's fanbase to get the AT molded in their own image and likeness?
You get. . .the Dominator forum aka the Jungle. Cavemen, Monsters, Gods roam the land. Rednames fear the dense jungle and only the bravest of men dare walk in these parts.
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What do you get when you throw in some intelligent and vocal players who really know how to play the game With people who are earnestly trying to learn the AT With some lazy incompetent noobs who try at every turn to down toe AT and it's fanbase to get the AT molded in their own image and likeness?
You get. . .the Dominator forum aka the Jungle. Cavemen, Monsters, Gods roam the land. Rednames fear the dense jungle and only the bravest of men dare walk in these parts.
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LMAO
oh man . . . . .funny cuz it's true. I wonder who some of the incompetent n00bs are? 
You have no right to call anyone "lazy incompetent noobs". That kind of negative crap is disgusting, you should do better for yourself and for the forum. Demonizing people because they have a different opinion from yours just shows that you dont have a good counterpoint to express and/or you are the "incompetent noob" when it comes to communication.
I know you can do better.
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Corrupters are still 75/75. I've found the corrupter forum to actually be really helpful, but the dominator forum definitely has the lock on drama.
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That's because there are several self proclaimed uber-doms who quickly drop into insult mode and tear down anyone who says anything about doms needing any kind of change. Not naming any names but some people really flip out when anyone suggests doms aren't perfect.
In my opinion, everything on the villain side was pre-nerfed during release to prevent hue and outcry such as when the repeatedly nerf'd BURN tankers and Regen Scrapper
In my opinion Corruptors are 75% because combining a Defender primary allow you to beat blaster damage, much more safely
Fire Primary Attacks+AM+EF=75%x1.46=1.095
(and this is before Scourge)
In my opinion they pushed that logic to dominators thinking domination would make up for the lack of control, and lack of damage... so they end up remaking the controller prior to containment.... someone tedious to solo early on, primary target for PL since they're pre-SO performance is borderline leeching
People sometimes tell me I'm both pessimistic and paranoid but I think that's just because all you optimists are out to get me.
My complaints about my Grav dom, which are spelled out pretty well in the guide linked in my signature, were just as noticeable after getting SOs. When I questioned my doms abilities in my teens I was told about waiting for SOs, waiting for this or that power.... all of it was disappointing. IMHO my Grav Dom is just now getting respectable at 37.
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Not naming any names but some people really flip out when anyone suggests doms aren't perfect.
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Can you give me an example of this? I am curious what your definition of flip out is. The only time I see people flip out in this forum about anything is when one party presents their opinions as cold hard fact and doesn't back up their claims.
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My complaints about my Grav dom, which are spelled out pretty well in the guild linked in my signature, were just as noticeable after getting SOs. When I questioned my doms abilities in my teens I was told about waiting for SOs, waiting for this or that power.... all of it was disappointing. IMHO my Grav Dom is just now getting respectable at 37.
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could you plz post your build and play style? I have a lvl 30 Grav/ice dom playing just great on vicious solo and on teams.
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What do you get when you throw in some intelligent and vocal players who really know how to play the game With people who are earnestly trying to learn the AT With some lazy incompetent noobs who try at every turn to down toe AT and it's fanbase to get the AT molded in their own image and likeness?
You get. . .the Dominator forum aka the Jungle. Cavemen, Monsters, Gods roam the land. Rednames fear the dense jungle and only the bravest of men dare walk in these parts.
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And you wonder why I call you people pro dom's.
You completly discount anyone who doesnt agree with you.
I usually dont like to let my posts degrade to insults but this is going too far.
Boycott Ncsoft if they close down Coh.
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Can you give me an example of this?
[/ QUOTE ]As I said, "not naming any names". I did have a specific example in mind that happened in the past week. Both the person who did it and people on "his side of the argument" came back and said he over reacted. I don't need to embarrass him here.
The point is some people over react to dom complaints. I maintain that is true. You really dont have to look far to see examples of this if to a lesser degree.
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could you plz post your build and play style? I have a lvl 30 dom playing just great on vicious solo and on teams.
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When I was 30 I was playing with a group of mostly melee characters who really didn't appreciate the knockback, phasing or reduced damage that my grav dom brought compared to other ATs. On occasion I had domination and powerboost ready for the main boss and was able to make a significent effect in specfic battles. But I found that situation to rare, and the non-domination holds to short, and overall damage too low considering the previous.
I too can solo or team on vicious, never said I couldn't. I just find the experience with my grav dom to be disappointing when compared to any other AT.
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That said, I wouldn't mind a tweak to our AoE holds - the triple whammy of acc penalty, low base duration and ridiculous recharge time totally gut those powers and make them broken, imo.
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This is why I haven't enjoyed any control-based character since Issue 5. When they gave controllers Containment, they neutered the hell out of them control-wise as the price, and most of the time Dominators have it worse than Controllers do. I've tried Dominators twice, but without Domination the control just isn't good enough for a guy who grew up on old-school Controllerism. 
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I'm really sick and tired of hearing the, "You just don't know how to play them," or the, "They take more skill to play," arguments, or any variation thereof. I really am. It's baseless justification that assumes the CoV community as a whole is inept at playing just this particular AT. There is not a single other AT in the game that has to be played to such an utter degree of perfection to be considered acceptably functional.
It's like an argument over Interpretist art. The artist decides without any base or justification that his work is the greatest work ever, and if you disagree then you "just don't get it".
Doms are not the least played AT because they're some big enigma. They're not the neglected emo kid that sits alone in the high school lunchroom because no one's taken the time to understand them.
Are they playable? Yes. Can they be effective? Yes. Are they the worst AT? It's arguable, but I think most people would answer yes. Do they need help? Yes, yes, and yes.
If you sit down and look at JUST a Dom, then they don't suck. If you line them up against any other support AT, they fail. They most certainly fail when compared to any damage-dealing AT, and if they don't do either thing well they most certainly do not become effective by doing two sub-par things at the same time. I would pick a Def, 'Troller, or Corr for any party any day for any mission or really any reason, before I would invite a Dom. Without a second thought.
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And I am really sick and tired of the "The WHOLE AT is broken" argument. They too are baseless. Like I've said in so many posts now, that's just too general of a statement to ever hope to be entirely accurate. All I can tell you about it is from my experiences (which, as it turns out is all you can really tell me about too, which is convenient), and from that experience I can easily say that my plant/psy dom really puts my gravity/forcefield controller to shame. But she is...guess what.... tougher to play! She's also tougher to play than the 4 blasters I have. Tougher than the 2 defenders, 1 scraper, 1 tank and 1 of the brutes I've played (oddly enough, she's about as difficult as my stone/stone brute, those have issues too imo).
I really want you to understand that I'm not just going off halfcocked and arbitrarily regurgitating the "ur just n00bs lrn 2 play kthx" line. I haven't played every AT enough (i.e. up to 20 or higher) to feel familiar with it, but out of the ones that I have played I honestly have to say that my dominator is the most difficult yet rewarding to play. Maybe it's the builds I've played (because the difference between one type of an AT and the other will create a different argument entirely, because they are too different to really be lumped into one single argument), but at the end of the day it is my expererience; Doms are tougher to play. Sorry.
Somebody told me in the game that the dev wants to put "Purple Triangle" on regular bosses and elite bosses as well. 
Has this been discussed?
I was on a team fighting against an Arch Villain and we had 3 Dominators and we did not even hold him once. lol One of the Doms died... 'cause he had no defense when he couldn't control.
Anyway, if they want to increase more Purple Triangles in the game, then they definitely need to balance Doms somehow.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
heh, Gravity
(slow, most resisted damage in the game, no soft control AoE until the late twenties)
/Forcefield
(teaming power waits to level 12 to get ONE personal power for something other than running away)
is slower than your Dominator?
No wonder you like yours!
People sometimes tell me I'm both pessimistic and paranoid but I think that's just because all you optimists are out to get me.
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And you wonder why I call you people pro dom's.
You completly discount anyone who doesnt agree with you.
I usually dont like to let my posts degrade to insults but this is going too far.
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What do you get when you throw in some intelligent and vocal players who really know how to play the game With people who are earnestly trying to learn the AT With some lazy incompetent noobs who try at every turn to down toe AT and it's fanbase to get the AT molded in their own image and likeness?
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That's because there are several self proclaimed uber-doms who quickly drop into insult mode and tear down anyone who says anything about doms needing any kind of change. Not naming any names but some people really flip out when anyone suggests doms aren't perfect.
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All emphasis mine. Am I the only one that finds these posts eerily similar? 
Nobody named names. Doesn't matter; in the blame game, everyone is equal!
We now return you to your regularly scheduled self-righteous pissing contest.
A guide to the deranged, degraded inhabitants of the forums.
Man I love these threads. Wouldn't be the same without em.
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heh, Gravity
(slow, most resisted damage in the game, no soft control AoE until the late twenties)
/Forcefield
(teaming power waits to level 12 to get ONE personal power for something other than running away)
is slower than your Dominator?
No wonder you like yours!
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Exactly. But you know what? While grav/ff is a build most people would complain about you can totally make it rock! I had a blast playing mine! It takes a ton of skill and thinking to play it unlike my fire/devices blaster, which I find a bit too fire and forget to be fun. But still most people will complain about that contoller builds' deficiencies and think I'm some elitiest d00d for my comments about my fire/devices blasters. Their opinion, my opinion, but I'm not going to speak for all controllers, or all blasters. What I am attempting to illustrate is this:
-There are things worse off than some dominators.
-There are some dominators that are better than some other character builds (including other doms).
-There are a lot of people who are obviously experiencing some issues, but instead of narrowing in on their issues they're simply deeming everything broken and asking that everything be looked at.
The opinion I glean from these points is this. Dominators need to be looked at, because there are a lot of people who are unhappy with them. However, the process will never be furthered by throwing around aggrandized statements about whole populations of which people might only have experience with 1/5 of. I'm living proof that all are not discontent with this AT that's supposedly horribly broken. Please don't ask for my junk to be changed because you cannot take the time to put a finer point on your issue. Yes, Doms are sometimes more difficult because of their shortcomings, but some of us like it that way.
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And you wonder why I call you people pro dom's.
You completly discount anyone who doesnt agree with you.
I usually dont like to let my posts degrade to insults but this is going too far.
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A quote by KombatJesus:
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What do you get when you throw in some intelligent and vocal players who really know how to play the game With people who are earnestly trying to learn the AT With some lazy incompetent noobs who try at every turn to down toe AT and it's fanbase to get the AT molded in their own image and likeness?
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A quote by xxxxx:
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That's because there are several self proclaimed uber-doms who quickly drop into insult mode and tear down anyone who says anything about doms needing any kind of change. Not naming any names but some people really flip out when anyone suggests doms aren't perfect.
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All emphasis mine. Am I the only one that finds these posts eerily similar?
Nobody named names. Doesn't matter; in the blame game, everyone is equal!
We now return you to your regularly scheduled self-righteous pissing contest.
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I'm afraid I don't see the similarity. How is using the terms "pro dom" and "uber dom" in any way equivalent to calling people "lazy incompetent noobs"?
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And you wonder why I call you people pro dom's.
You completly discount anyone who doesnt agree with you.
I usually dont like to let my posts degrade to insults but this is going too far.
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A quote by KombatJesus:
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What do you get when you throw in some intelligent and vocal players who really know how to play the game With people who are earnestly trying to learn the AT With some lazy incompetent noobs who try at every turn to down toe AT and it's fanbase to get the AT molded in their own image and likeness?
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A quote by xxxxx:
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That's because there are several self proclaimed uber-doms who quickly drop into insult mode and tear down anyone who says anything about doms needing any kind of change. Not naming any names but some people really flip out when anyone suggests doms aren't perfect.
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All emphasis mine. Am I the only one that finds these posts eerily similar?
Nobody named names. Doesn't matter; in the blame game, everyone is equal!
We now return you to your regularly scheduled self-righteous pissing contest.
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I'm afraid I don't see the similarity. How is using the terms "pro dom" and "uber dom" in any way equivalent to calling people "lazy incompetent noobs"?
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B/c "self-proclaimed uber dom" has the implication of elitism and snobishness and it was in comparison to "lazy incompetent noobs" not "pro-doms". Both are rude and both counter productive.
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B/c "self-proclaimed uber dom" has the implication of elitism and snobishness and it was in comparison to "lazy incompetent noobs" not "pro-doms". Both are rude and both counter productive.
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Well, it's interesting to note that the "uber dom" post that you object to was made *after* the "lazy incompetent noob" post -- as was the post mentioning "pro dom."
Perhaps -- just perhaps -- if that person who called everyone who doesn't adore doms "lazy incompetent noobs" had not made such a rude and insulting post, then the guy who posted about "self-proclaimed uber doms" would not have made his post either.
Hey, if you walk up and kick sand in someone's face, don't expect a pleasant hello.
It never ceases to amaze me how threads like these are able to generate so many pages. One thing I will say about the dominator forum is that it pwns that rest of the forums when it comes to threads asking about the viability of the AT.