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So really, next time someone "intentionally" gives you debt by getting mobs to kill you in a PVP zone, you should thank them.
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Be careful what you wish for. I'm sure you won't be thanking someone if they start chain-tp'ing and mezzing you into a mob.
Again, I don't give a crap about giving myself debt. I do it all the time, and if you know me, you know that I would rather incur debt on my own part than ever leave a teammate behind. There are times when I'm fine with getting debt on my terms. I don't like someone else forcing debt on me and I definitely don't like the Devs stating that, even if the person admits, flaunts, brags, and continuously works on and about giving me debt with no intention of PvPing in any fashion, there will be no repurcussion for that person.
They took the easy way out and chose not to face the difficult decision of taking it on a case-by-case basis. Since that encourages any and all griefers (people intent on doing nothing but causing grief to other players) by telling them that no punishment will exist for them, I feel it's a bad decision.
You're welcome to your opinion, but I would recommend viewing the situation from both sides first.
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I think there's a couple of key elements you are overlooking here, though.
1) I have viewed the situation from both sides. Having played in MMOs where anything short of a consentual dual can get you reported for supposedly griefing, this is by far a better system. Here, you don't have to walk on eggshells just to avoid being reported for something you didn't even necessarily intend to do by someone who's simply a sore loser.
2) In games where using mobs to your advantage is considered griefing, there are actually MORE arguements about PVP. People fight constantly about whether when JoeSchmoe trained that group of mobs on them if it was intentional or an accident.
3) In a zone like Siren's Call (and the upcoming Recluse's Victory), the obvious intent was for Heroes and Villains to join in with the Longbow and Arachnos forces, respectively, and battle for the Hot Spots TOGETHER. Now, if causing another player debt is griefing, then these battles become virtually impossible to take part in. The point was for NPCs and Players to be fighting SIDE BY SIDE for control of the zone. If you're a hero and you see some Villain taking down Longbow like they are paper dolls, then you should jump in and assist your fellow crimefighters. Maybe you get the last blow, but maybe that Warden next to you gets it. Or how about in Bloody Bay where people (on both sides) don't come out of the safety and protection of the turrets, and you have to actually risk getting shot by them in order to kill other players. Are they (the onese standing within range of the turrets) guilty of griefing? If not, why not? Are their actions NOT causing you to take debt? Perhaps you are in a safe spot, not in range of any turrets, but you use a knockback, and you move in for that last blow to kill your opponent, when *pow* you are killed by a turret. Who's fault was that? More arguements ensue about whether or not it was intentional, etc etc. If causing debt is griefing, then we start a long, painful, and completely asinine process of dealing with the rants, whines and complaints of people who die in these battles, claiming that they were NOT actively engaging the mobs and were forced there. I've seen it before, and I bet so have the devs.
4) This is probably the MOST important point. Since the devs have clearly stated that causing another player to incur debt while in a PVP zone is NOT griefing, then each and every player CONSENTS to this rule, and by default AGREES with it, by entering a PVP zone. This is part of why there's that giant warning when we zone in. It's like signing a waiver... ."I hereby agree that anything and everything can and probably will happen in this zone. I hold NCSoft, Cryptic Studios, Freedom Phalanx, Arachnos, City of Gyros and Hellfire Tacos in no way accountable for any defeats that I may experience while in this zone. I accept these terms and understand that I am taking my life into my own hands by entering." You know the terms when you enter, you accept them by entering, and you have no recourse after the fact.
I'm not saying you have to LIKE the terms, and I'm certainly not saying that you HAVE to enter the PVP zones. There is no mandatory content in the PVP zones. Nothing forces anyone to engage in PVP in the open zones. What I am saying that when you do WILLINGLY enter a PVP zone already knowing the terms, you accept them and you have no right to get upset at that point Remember, it's only griefing if the devs say it's griefing... other than that, it's simply something you don't personally like. But THAT does not make it griefing.
(Before I say anything,I will point out I have NOT read all of this thread, so if what I say has already been said I apologize)
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But,in every other zone,intentionally giving a player debt is griefing,plane and simple,so why should pvp zones be any diffrent?
Just because you are now in a zone that allows you to partake in combat against another player should not mean you have a free pass to harrass another player,unfortunatly the stance taken by the devs contradicts this most basic thought proccess.
Well thought out, well said, I agree with you whole heartedly!
Except for the debt part.
Like I said before, take out the debt and whatever petty smarmy gank fantasies anyone has won't bother me in the slightest. Bring it on, I say, it only works up my appetite, and my prey's fall that much sweeter!
If the Dev's would just remove the debt. 'Til then, I won't be seen in there. Sorry. Take xp too to counter the no debt, I could care less... If I go into PvP zones it's for the fun of PvP, not xp, and defintely not debt.
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I couldn't agree more.
Very well versed post (except that I haven't overlooked anything). I understood all of what you stated beforehand. I merely stated that I don't agree with it. I also told you that you should be careful what you wish for because, until you're the one who has it happen to them, you haven't viewed it from both sides.
Playing the consentual risk-taking individual is the easy path. Having it done by some jacktard who thinks they're funny because they got you debt numerous times while you were there to PvP is what will cause a change of heart. I've seen it happen numerous times and it won't slow down.
I don't personally care because I only take my 50's and a Stalker that knows when to quit in there. I, however, do enjoy having other people to PvP against. An influx in Dev-backed griefers will cause the number of opponents to dwindle. Thus, I don't like their idea. Thus, I don't accept their idea as my approach and will argue its logic with anyone who wants to.
Agro caps were introduced to stop PLing.
Police Drones were introduced to stop Monster Griefing.
TP Prompt was introduced to stop TP Griefing.
The Devs have a history of identifying community-breaking issues and fixing them in such a way as to encourage the community to interact without being jacktards to each other. They also have a history of taking the hard road and making a necessary decision in the face of strong adversity (read ED). This time, they took the morally easy road, and encouraged behavior that specifically divides the community. That, IMO, is wrong.
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Don't take it personally if you think I was mean to you. I'm an ******* to everyone.
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Gumbo
1 1/2 cups Medium Dark Roux, see How To Roux, recipe follows
2 cups diced onions
1 cup diced celery
1 cup diced green bell pepper
1 tablespoon finely chopped garlic
2 quarts shrimp, crab or chicken stock
1 pound andouille sausage, sliced into 1/4-inch thick rounds, browned in a skillet, and drained on paper towels
2 bay leaves
1 tablespoon Worcestershire sauce
Dash hot sauce
1/4 teaspoon cayenne
1 1/2 teaspoons salt
3/4 teaspoon freshly ground black pepper
2 pounds medium shrimp, peeled and deveined
1 teaspoon cajun spice
1/2 pound lump crabmeat, picked over for shells and cartilage
1/3 cup green onion tops, chopped
1/2 cup coarsely chopped parsley leaves
2 tablespoons chopped fresh thyme leaves
1 tablespoon chopped fresh basil leaves
1/2 cup file powder, or to taste
Steamed White Rice, for serving
Heat the roux in a medium-sized heavy stockpot over medium-high heat. When hot, add the onions, celery and bell pepper. Stir mixture until onions begin to brown, about 5 minutes. Add the garlic and continue to cook for 1 minute. Slowly pour in stock, whisking constantly to prevent lumps from forming. Add the browned sausage, bay leaves, Worcestershire, hot sauce, cayenne, salt, and pepper.
Bring gumbo to a boil, reduce heat to medium and simmer until gumbo is slightly reduced, about 50 minutes. (Gumbo should cook long enough for the roux flavor to mellow and for any floury taste to dissipate.)
Season the shrimp with the cajun spice in a small bowl. Stir in the seasoned shrimp, crabmeat, green onions, parsley, thyme and basil. Cook until shrimp are cooked through, about 5 minutes. Taste and adjust seasonings, if necessary. Sprinkle in file powder and cook, stirring, 2 minutes more, or pass file at the table for guests to thicken as desired. Remove bay leaves before serving.
Serve in warmed soup bowls over steamed white rice.
How to Roux:
3 cups vegetable oil
5 cups all-purpose flour
Place a heavy, iron Dutch oven, (or iron skillet with deep sides) over medium heat and heat the oil until just smoking. Whisk in flour, a little at a time and cook, whisking constantly, until roux becomes smooth and thick. Continue to cook, constantly stirring with a wooden spoon and reaching all over bottom of pan, until roux darkens to desired color. Be careful not to produce specs of black. The roux must remain an even color throughout process. If specs appear you must start over.
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MMMmmmmmm Gumbo. Tasty!
This recipe needs more seafood.
I wish I was into PvP. I'd come gank the lame FC stuff too. It is not what the zone was intended for.
This is an amusing thread though. It highlights nicely those with a [censored] self centered attitude. Its not YOUR zone, amd its not YOUR game, and I could care how many of you in the zone at a time agree - YOU dont make the rules....Its really that simple.
I'm still not digging ED.
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My two cents:
People are spectating at FC. One of them is your bounty. Walk up to them.
Ask:
"Hey, you are my bounty, can I just get the kill?"
They often say, "Sure" because they can just come right back.
If they say "No", then CHALLENGE THEM to a FC match.
If they say "No" to that, then:
A) Suck it up
B) Keep asking them
C) Explain to them
DO NOT ATTACK WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION.
In other areas, feel free to attack them. Not in FC. Just not there. Simple as that.
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Kill him while his back is turned, THAT is the point of the zone. FC is irrelevant to the discussion.
I'm still not digging ED.
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Therefor official ruling "Not harassment"
However, I think this is entirely garbage. and it clearly a contridiction to the NC Soft rules and regs.
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Only a contradiction because you are choosing to interpret those rules through the irrelevance of FC; the zone isnt FOR FC, no matter how many of you want that - PERIOD.
The zone is for open PvP, that is the context.
I'm still not digging ED.
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gratz on 3001, with all this posts and stuff going on, i wont be to far behind even though im like 2.4K
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And posting the same message three times in a row helps too, right?
I'm still not digging ED.
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I agree completely AH. I was really wanting to avoid this thread, but when it hit 34 pages i had to check back.
As far as FC is concerned. Lets look at it like it's a real world thing. You and some compatriots are holding a FC on a rooftop in the bad part of town. The mafia puts a hit on one of the people there. Do you honestly think they wont interupt FC to get the hit? I'm sorry, but if my target is up on a roof doing nothing, i'll take the shot, i dont have to get permission from players to pvp in a pvp zone, your rules have no hold on anyone.
For all of you complaining about debt. Does it really hurt that much? What is it, leveling at half speed for a certain amount? I dont understand this mentality.
For those crying "GRIEFER": You know the rules when you come in. you dont like the rules, dont enter. These zones are Free-for-alls, not many rules. one of the mechanics is the ability to use mobs to soften up someone. some people use them to kill. and while it's not much fun to get wasted over and over again, it happens. either team up and put a stop to it by doing the same to the aggressor, or leave the zone and come back later.
If you want to run around a pvp area and not pvp, dont be mad when you get attacked and killed. it's a pvp zone, not a pve zone. I've run into BB plenty of times, just looking to kill shivans. and i've been blown away many times by heroes that got the drop on me, but i fought back and it didnt bother me in the slightest. its the name of the game, kill or be killed.
these are just my thoughts, some i share with other posters.
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But FC's and all that aside, the problem is PvP debt. TPing foes is not the only way it happens... The few times I've PvP'd I've gotten debt... not once from TP foe. Usually I happened to be fighting a mob and a Stalker would come up behind me and do enough damage not to kill me, but the next NPC hit did it (which will almost be a constant frustration for Stalkers who want bounty points, and their prey who get debt, when they bring in the "no one shot kill" rule- but will be a vast source of glee to those that want to "grief" and cause debt)... or in the din of battle with a worthy meal (sorry.. opponent)...
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Yes this has happened to me! Someone was under Fight Club at full health and in a mob, I queued up Assassin's Blade to kill them, whiffed (!) did a follow up with Build Up and Soaring Dragon which left them at very low health, went for the finisher but the Arachnos there finished her and she got debt 
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She was understandably upset; I told her she was on the other side and I wanted to kill her, not give her debt and then offered to PL her out of her debt. This mollified the situation somewhat.
I love the fact there are Arachnos and Longbow mobs fighting for control of the Siren's Call zone, it does add a new dynamic.
The Devs could also solve the entire problem with some sore of algorithm about damage taken. If a majority of damage was taken by another player and you got killled by a mob, no debt. If the mob did most of the damage then you get debt...of course this doesn't take into account the massive damage over time from some mobs and so on, and isn't a perfect solution obviously.
I'm hoping Recluse's Victory is a little better than SIren's Call.
Questions about the game, either side? /t @Neuronia or @Neuronium, with your queries!
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But,in every other zone,intentionally giving a player debt is griefing,plane and simple,so why should pvp zones be any diffrent?
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I think you've hit on the heart of the argument, CanEH.
Some people think you should play your villain like a cooperative hero just like you would in the straight CoH environment. Other people want to play the villain and do what villains do, harrass and defeat the heroes. And some people want to play the anti-hero and do the same to the villains.
In a city where everyone plays heroes, the only reason someone would debt-grief you is because they're being malicious. In a zone where heroes and villains battle, the motivations can vary from "I'm playing my character" to "I am here to defeat hereos by any means necessary" to "I'll teach them to get too close to my base" to "I hope giving them debt ticks them off."
Because there are different motivations, not all of the mean, and the zone is programmed the way it is, how can someone complain?
If someone slaps a PBAoE on me and I run into a crowd of 20 Arachnos that aggro and kill that guy, does he petition because I gave him debt? If I get a hold on a guy in a running battle and he happens to land in a crowd of enemies and dies, is that a petition? Do we really want customer service reps sitting around getting testimony from both sides to determine if someone was being malicious, the incident was purely accidental, or the guy died legitimately?
Probably not. So when someone enters a PvP zone, expect to get debt by engaging the enemy. The only solution for someone wishing to engage in PvP and not get debt is to use the arena.
Or you could start pestering Devs to remove xp/debt from the PvP zones or remove the mobs altogether.
To make debt into griefing in PvP will tie up customer service for eons and cause someone who's RPing a villain (in an MMORPG no less) to be viewed as a debt-griefer for doing what villains do.
So to answer your question, it's all in how you game.
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I just sent a PM to cuppa asking if purposefully giving a player debt is considered griefing. Will update when she gets back to me
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The Devs say - No.
Ultimately PVE mobs in a PVP zones are hazards of a PVP zone. Players do have control (and options) that will prevent them from being victims of the TP Foe tactic.
Regarding being held, immobilized, slept and then being teleported into a PVE mob: griefing? No.
If a player uses TP Foe and teleports another player into a mob, so that their health is reduced, and then finishes them off with a killing shot
.griefing? No.
If a player intentionally uses a knockback power (or Repel or Dispersion Bubble) on another player from the top of the roof to the street below where there happens to be a PVE mob, and the players presence draws mob aggro and dies
should the player who knocked back the target player off that roof be actioned for griefing? No.
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I am sorry, but I think the devs should be rethinking this. From previous games, I know only 10-15% of the players in a mixed game like this are into PVP, and even less of those are hardcore. And even those who are hardcore are split on this issue. Personally, I think it's never a good idea to cater to the minority who think 'anything goes' if you want to keep the game fun for the majority. Every player who turns their back on pvp in disgust because the behavior and attitudes of a few in the pvp zones, is a loss to the diversity and the fun potential of those zones.
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This is why I don't PvP... there is no honor in it. For those of you who enjoy pulling the legs off ants, you've just been told by God himself that it's not only OK, it's ENCOURAGED.
Lovely...
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Allowing something and encouraging something are two different things. From the devs' point-of-view, they are concerned simply with what is not allowed in the game, and thus what rules must be enforced by GMs. If an action is not allowed, GMs act; if an action is allowed, GMs don't. Of the set of actions that are allowed, the devs don't decide which actions are "preferred" over others. That is a matter of personal taste.
The devs have decided that it is not against the game rules to intentionally give others debt in a PvP zone or to interfere with RP events taking place. That doesn't mean players ought to do those actions, but rather that players won't be stopped by GMs if they do. It is up to the player to decide whether or not to partake in such activities. The devs intentionally set up the PvP zones to give players as much freedom as possible to make their own choices of how they will act.
As for honor, which is more honorable, not doing something because you choose not to or not doing something because you can't? To me, the fact that people choose to abide by "rules of engagement" despite the fact that those rules are not enforced with a game mechanic or by official policy is indicative of more honor, not less. True, the increased freedom means that people can just as easily be dishonorable as honorable, but the freedom of PvP zones allows each zone on each server to develop its own personality and player culture.
The devs have given players more freedom to act in PvP zones, but they have also given players more freedom to react. Players can act dishonorably, but when they do, they shouldn't be surprised at others' reactions. Of course, people will likely disagree on what is or is not dishonorable, but again, that just contributes to the liveliness of a zone's player culture. And as with all cultures, no one person decides what is culturally acceptable, but rather the culture develops from all of its members (to one degree or another) in a manner which sometimes makes it seem like it has a life of its own. And very rarely does cultural acceptance equal legally allowed. There are many things that are legal that are culturally unacceptable, and even things that are technically illegal that are culturally acceptable.
Ultimately it boils down to how players want to use their freedom. Yes, that freedom can be used to attempt to ruin others' fun, but it can also be used to give the PvP zones more depth than can be found in the more restrictive PvE zones.
Very nice Post Doorknob........(( now I suggest lets close the door on this))
Let the Hockey and beer talk BEGIN....
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Catholic, when I first met you in PVP you manhandled by brute (lvl 24 back then) and I had a great deal of respect for you. Even when I brought my MM in SC a couple of weeks ago to test my new PVP based build, you answered my call on broadcast to come 1v1 me on the FC building. (If you remember I handled you pretty good that fight...think it only lasted like 20 seconds) You then answered my call for a rematch (also 1vs1) and beat me though it was a close fight. So understand I considered you a friend and would still like to, however, your current FC tactics are completely uncalled for. I am going to answer your points below:
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Not true. I am in SC everyday, normally the time when FC is at its peak. And while FC is going on, there are still broadcasts of fights going on in the streets as well..people asking for help, dissing each other after I beat, etc. So this point is without merit.
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2. Practically half of the players on top of the building just stand up there and talk.
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While this may be true, I have yet to form an opinion on it, I have a reason this may seem to be but is probably not true. As you know, FC only has three rings. And like last night, there were about 30 or so villains and around 35 heroes. Since FC is 1v1, there is a lot of standing around, but that doesnt mean they will not fight sometime that night when they get the chance. Maybe if people like yourself don't come up there and knock people off the buildings into spawns of Longbow to get debt they might stick around long enough to fight.
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No one even wants to 1 vs 1 me, im not going to just stand up there like an idiot and just watch other people. People say i hide behind my hurricane, but like MM's dont hide behind their pets and the same thing with stalkers and their hide.
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I will 1v1 you anytime I am in the zone my friend, and I think you already know that. I'm sure there are more that would like to take a crack at you if you would be a little more patient and ask. Also, I don't care about your hurricane as it IS one of your powers and without it you wouldn;t even be in the zone....but I certainly do not "hide" behind my pets with my MM. My pets are my attacks, and I get close and personal to you and everyone else in order to stack my fears and debuffs on you. Your experience with MMs may be limited but what do you expect us to do, try and blast you with our sissy personal attacks? I think not.
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Your point for not doing FC is fine if all you were doing was "not doing FC". But that's not what you are doing....you are ruining it for the people that love it. If you don't want to do it, then don't. But that doesn't give you the right to run into ongoing fights and onto the ledges to knock people off with your HC. If you want your bounty, then take it from that one person..if you can. But leave the rest of the community that is enjoying a constant event alone.
These responses may seem a bit harsh, but IMO once you have ticked off someone with the respect that Dinah Might has in the community, you have seriously done something wrong.
I hope to see you PVP again soon, with a new outlook on this situation.
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Ok this here is an Imperial thread hijack. Place all your flames and repetitive posts in the bag and no one get's hurt. 
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Damn fellas. We need to work on our thread Hijacking skills. Look at all the flames and repetitive posts we missed the first time around. I know here's what we will do. Steal the rest of the flames and repetitive posts and then ganked over the head anyone silly enough to make more. Oh wait got a better idea.
Sic It_SI on them. We all know how cute she gets when she's mad anyway.
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Very well versed post (except that I haven't overlooked anything). I understood all of what you stated beforehand. I merely stated that I don't agree with it. I also told you that you should be careful what you wish for because, until you're the one who has it happen to them, you haven't viewed it from both sides.
Playing the consentual risk-taking individual is the easy path. Having it done by some jacktard who thinks they're funny because they got you debt numerous times while you were there to PvP is what will cause a change of heart. I've seen it happen numerous times and it won't slow down.
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Who says I haven't had it happen to me? I've been TP'd into mobs, into other players, even into the drones. I have people train mobs on me. Just the other day I was in Warburg attempting to launch the missile, when some brute trained a couple of roaming Titans on me, and then stole my scientist.
However, I find this far LESS annoying and frustrating that getting jumped by a group of 10-20 players of the opposite faction when I think I'm in a good one on one scrap. Yes, it's allowed... and I don't complain. I'm simply saying that as far as annoyances go, I find it personally far LESS bothersome to have a person I am fighting use mobs to aid them, then to find that person's entire SG gang up on me. I can kill a group of 20 mobs solo. 20 Elite Bosses (players) is another matter, however.
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Very well versed post (except that I haven't overlooked anything). I understood all of what you stated beforehand. I merely stated that I don't agree with it. I also told you that you should be careful what you wish for because, until you're the one who has it happen to them, you haven't viewed it from both sides.
Playing the consentual risk-taking individual is the easy path. Having it done by some jacktard who thinks they're funny because they got you debt numerous times while you were there to PvP is what will cause a change of heart. I've seen it happen numerous times and it won't slow down.
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Who says I haven't had it happen to me? I've been TP'd into mobs, into other players, even into the drones. I have people train mobs on me. Just the other day I was in Warburg attempting to launch the missile, when some brute trained a couple of roaming Titans on me, and then stole my scientist.
However, I find this far LESS annoying and frustrating that getting jumped by a group of 10-20 players of the opposite faction when I think I'm in a good one on one scrap. Yes, it's allowed... and I don't complain. I'm simply saying that as far as annoyances go, I find it personally far LESS bothersome to have a person I am fighting use mobs to aid them, then to find that person's entire SG gang up on me. I can kill a group of 20 mobs solo. 20 Elite Bosses (players) is another matter, however.
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*Tackles Samus*
NO MORE TALKING ABOUT THIS THREAD!!! Ye must derail that which is evil!!!!
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You could also be actioned for exploiting in a PvP zone - for example - by hanging out as a villain in a hero hospital to gank heroes as they respawn. This is not as designed and may be actioned.
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I'm assuming this also includes activating click powers beyond the level cap of the PvP zone.
Example: Hitting MoG in Steel Canyon, then entering Siren's Call, MoG'ed up.
Since the Siren's is capped at 30, the design is *obviously* to not allow Level 30+ powers in the zone.
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These responses may seem a bit harsh, but IMO once you have ticked off someone with the respect that Dinah Might has in the community, you have seriously done something wrong.
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Not happy with this statement. I hope the "respect" i have earned is not winning (or losing) the arguement for me, but my words are instead.
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My thoughts both yesterday and today are primarily directed at the people on these forums who clearly know better and have actually defended tooth and nail other people who have done similar things in game simply because they were "friends"...
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I'd like to see an example of this.
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Still looking for an example of what you were referring to there, G. You made some pretty serious accusations in that post. I'd really like to see you either back them up or retract them.
Saying that people were posting in a way that I was sure after being on the forums for over a year they knew better ..is a serious accusation?
Or was it that people treat their friends differently and will excuse behaviors by their friends that they won't tolerate in others?....I think of it as recognizing human nature more than an accusation.
Your basically asking me to do what? Start a whole new argument over*old* issues? Then we can debate them again won't that be pleasant? Should I use alias sg's and names or Just go right to getting banned? I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you aren't referring to the "know better" part of that statement..So lets see
FiFi comes to mind....(the name and image still cracks me up)
Trip Mines in the Hive..( not as funny)
Individuals Griefing raids to the point of stopping them..
Inviting people to teams, Then Tping them into Monsters or Mobs..
Teleporting in PvP..We recently had a whole thread about how upset some people were until they found out it was a "friend" who was doing it..
As you stated, you have nothing to do with the situation..So I clearly wasn't referring to you..You also weren't *around* when most of the incidents I am talking about happened...So I'm not sure why you would even care...
Have you asked everyone who has posted in this thread for the details of their opinions or statements? To "Back It Up or Retract It?".
Here I am the nastiest Villain on the server calling for peace.
Thread over. Move along folks. Nothing to see here.
Sorry but when I read the OP's post, I just laughed histerically. It reminded me of a 1-800-Need-a-hot-night? number.. hahaha.
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So really, next time someone "intentionally" gives you debt by getting mobs to kill you in a PVP zone, you should thank them.
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Be careful what you wish for. I'm sure you won't be thanking someone if they start chain-tp'ing and mezzing you into a mob.
Again, I don't give a crap about giving myself debt. I do it all the time, and if you know me, you know that I would rather incur debt on my own part than ever leave a teammate behind. There are times when I'm fine with getting debt on my terms. I don't like someone else forcing debt on me and I definitely don't like the Devs stating that, even if the person admits, flaunts, brags, and continuously works on and about giving me debt with no intention of PvPing in any fashion, there will be no repurcussion for that person.
They took the easy way out and chose not to face the difficult decision of taking it on a case-by-case basis. Since that encourages any and all griefers (people intent on doing nothing but causing grief to other players) by telling them that no punishment will exist for them, I feel it's a bad decision.
You're welcome to your opinion, but I would recommend viewing the situation from both sides first.
- Ping (@iltat, @Pinghole)
Don't take it personally if you think I was mean to you. I'm an ******* to everyone.
It's a penguin thing. Pingu FTW.