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Indeed. But totally irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. I find your recent behavior asinine, therefore I won't team with you. The 'rules' just don't enter into it for me.
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I couldnt care less if you chose not to team with me!
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I never expected that you would. The real question is: how many others on the server will feel the same way I do?
O.k., waaaay to many posts to read them all at this point. So someone please PM me if you'd be so kind: what is FC?
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I just sent a PM to cuppa asking if purposefully giving a player debt is considered griefing. Will update when she gets back to me
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The Devs say - No.
Ultimately PVE mobs in a PVP zones are hazards of a PVP zone. Players do have control (and options) that will prevent them from being victims of the TP Foe tactic.
Regarding being held, immobilized, slept and then being teleported into a PVE mob: griefing? No.
If a player uses TP Foe and teleports another player into a mob, so that their health is reduced, and then finishes them off with a killing shot
.griefing? No.
If a player intentionally uses a knockback power (or Repel or Dispersion Bubble) on another player from the top of the roof to the street below where there happens to be a PVE mob, and the players presence draws mob aggro and dies
should the player who knocked back the target player off that roof be actioned for griefing? No.
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Nice! The total why we put in the Recall Friend timer option in PvE to prevent no talent assclowns from TPing you into mobs, and off buildings stance has been completely obliterated in PvP.
That honestly just gives me a sick feeling to my stomach.
Just curious if you know whether or not the dev's have actually tried out pvping on one of the live servers with some of its player base?
Or do they just say, "well that sounds good", "yeah" and pat each other on the back.
It's starting to sound a lot like the latter to me.
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Indeed. But totally irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. I find your recent behavior asinine, therefore I won't team with you. The 'rules' just don't enter into it for me.
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I couldnt care less if you chose not to team with me!
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*pssst* Apostrophes make you look cool to other people. No, really. Would i lie?
i'm sorry, there's nothing else that comes to mind after reading 7-8 of CK's posts. Although, inexplicably enough, i now feel myself filled with the urge to switch to the opposite side if i see any of Catholic Knight's alts in a PVP zone. i'm not sure why... But i think i'll figure it out if/when the time comes. 
Dr. Todt's theme.
i make stuff...
There are uncountable behaviors in this world that do not violate any laws or rules, and yet are still considered to be rude, jerkhole behavior. Even when jerkhole behavior stands up to the letter of the law, it still doesn't change the fact that the perpetrators are, well....jerkholes.
To anybody who would behave in such a manner, I guess the question is whether whatever enjoyment it is you get from peeing on other people's parties is worth the reputation you earn and the repercussions (which may or may not be the result of some code of conduct) that come along with them.
And while I'm here, a couple of thoughts on Fight Club:
First, for those who continue to insist on how much happier the FCers would be if we just took it to the arena - the arena has been around for a long time, and has ALWAYS been a ghost town. It took very little time at all after the arrival of Siren's Call for the initial fight club to form and to begin frequently seeing more people participating in a night than set foot in the arena in a week. It should be pretty obvious that there's something there, and it's not just a case of the FCers "not getting it" when it comes to the arena. I think what you have to keep in mind is that there isn't just 1 PvP - people might enjoy 1v1, or pick-up teams, or carefully planned organized teams, or open hunting and ganking, or any other possible combinations. The arena works for you because that's how you like to PvP. Fight Club works for FCers because that's how they enjoy PvP - convincing them that the arena is somehow superior for meeting their desires from PvP is a pointless exercise.
Secondly, regarding the idea that FC somehow is interfering with or ruining the "true" PvP in the zone - experience tells me that's far from the truth. Whenever I've seen an FC start up, it's because the numbers in the zone are heavily tilted to the point where people on the losing side have no chance of competing. For those folks, it pretty much comes down to giving up and leaving the zone or hit the roof for some 1v1's, and maybe a little social time. If anything, the fact that people have something entertaining to do to keep them in the zone until the numbers balance out more helps to rekindle the action in the zone - not to interfere with it. I've been attending FC pretty much since November, and far more of them end in massive brawls than any other way.
I am simply posting here to make 5 of the top threads on the forum have me as the last poster
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I've been attending FC pretty much since November, and far more of them end in massive brawls than any other way.
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Which, IMO, is well within the true spirit of Fight Club.
My approach, on the rare occasion i stop by Fight Club, to interference with Fight Club is very simple: If they're on my side i will do nothing to help them if a dozen people swat them down. i might offer some critiques of the techniques used, but that's about it. If they're on the opposite side i will do everything i can to amuse myself. i have a pretty active imagination.
Dr. Todt's theme.
i make stuff...
FC is a player "honored" environment.
thats all i can say...
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I just sent a PM to cuppa asking if purposefully giving a player debt is considered griefing. Will update when she gets back to me
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The Devs say - No.
Ultimately PVE mobs in a PVP zones are hazards of a PVP zone. Players do have control (and options) that will prevent them from being victims of the TP Foe tactic.
Regarding being held, immobilized, slept and then being teleported into a PVE mob: griefing? No.
If a player uses TP Foe and teleports another player into a mob, so that their health is reduced, and then finishes them off with a killing shot
.griefing? No.
If a player intentionally uses a knockback power (or Repel or Dispersion Bubble) on another player from the top of the roof to the street below where there happens to be a PVE mob, and the players presence draws mob aggro and dies
should the player who knocked back the target player off that roof be actioned for griefing? No.
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Thank you, Cuppa... some of us have been trying to tell people this since PVP went live into the game.
Look, folks.. this is NOT some new decision. Statesman, and other devs, stated that these were the terms during CoV (and therefor PVP) beta. This is how it's always been. So, if this "new" stance has you heartbroken or sickened or wanting to cancel, why hasn't it bothered you before now? It has always been this way.
Here's how it goes. There are two different types of PVP available in CoX. There is the free for all, anything goes, dirty tricks are allowed PVP, and there is get in line, you can't be attacked without your express permission PVP. If you want the first, you go to Bloody Bay, Siren's Call, or Warburg (where even your "allies" can stab you in the back). If you want the second, then take it to the Arena. BOTH options exist. For anyone to say that the PVP zones should NOT be "free" as they currently are, is to say that YOUR opinion of PVP is better than others and that you should get two options to your choosing while others get none.
And you want to say that PVPers take away YOUR fun? Last I checked, none of the supposed "griefers" were preventing you from using the Arena or even your SG/VG bases. Nor were any of "us" trying to get that option taken away from you.
I'll be in Warburg fighting Titans and Heroes AND Villains if you need me...
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I just sent a PM to cuppa asking if purposefully giving a player debt is considered griefing. Will update when she gets back to me
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The Devs say - No.
Ultimately PVE mobs in a PVP zones are hazards of a PVP zone. Players do have control (and options) that will prevent them from being victims of the TP Foe tactic.
Regarding being held, immobilized, slept and then being teleported into a PVE mob: griefing? No.
If a player uses TP Foe and teleports another player into a mob, so that their health is reduced, and then finishes them off with a killing shot
.griefing? No.
If a player intentionally uses a knockback power (or Repel or Dispersion Bubble) on another player from the top of the roof to the street below where there happens to be a PVE mob, and the players presence draws mob aggro and dies
should the player who knocked back the target player off that roof be actioned for griefing? No.
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I'll be in Warburg fighting Titans and Heroes AND Villains if you need me...
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We don't.
But yeah, thanks Cuppa. Now that jerks have full Dev backing to be jerks, I'm only more certain my decision to not participate in PvP was the correct one. I mean, I always knew they were there, but I never believed the Devs were okay with it.
That sound you heard? That was my good opinion of the dev team dropping.
At the end of the day, it's a PvP zone. As they say, there are no rules in love and war.
I really can't see why everyone is getting up in a bunch for. The rules of the pvp zones have been the way they are since they released them.
All of you complaining that it's a free for all, no holds barred deal now should realize it's always been this way. Debt from mobs, tp'g have always been legal.
The difference, and it's the crux of the issue as far as I'm concerenedd, is that the majority of of players, especially on Champion, have far more respect, honour, friendship and the urge to have fun than to do any of this most of the time.
We pride ourselves on being the social, friendly and event server regardless of whether or not the rules allowed debt inducing gameplay. Most of us wouldn't do that to our fellow players. I see multiple instances throughout the week where both heroes and villains are apologizing for giving debt or others mentioning in broadcast that they were helping someone on the other faction in order to prevent debt.
I don't see how people are just now realizing that this is the way the zone can be played. The only illegal things to do are bits of outrageous language, hospital/base camping inside their respective safe zones and tp'g others into flaws in the maps. That's it.
Now, if certian individuals want to be rude, inconsiderate, and immature in order to wreck more people's fun than the immediate ones they are affecting they can. My only recourse is to do what I can to help my fellow players to rid those actions of the disruptive ones as best I can or refuse to team with those types of people. Those 2 options are really my only route of legal action.
Don't start saying it's bloody murder in the zones now. For the most part just about every participant plays by the "rules" of social interaction when others are participating in a common hobby. Champion we're better than this. The stupid actions of a few inconsiderate players should not set the norm.
This thread reminds me of every political dispute that has no concrete answer.
One side is the jerks and the other side the victims and whichever side you're personally on is the side against the jerks.
One thing I am curious about, though, is why they just don't remove xp and debt in the PvP zones.
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This thread reminds me of every political dispute that has no concrete answer.
One side is the jerks and the other side the victims and whichever side you're personally on is the side against the jerks.
One thing I am curious about, though, is why they just don't remove xp and debt in the PvP zones.
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I am on the Jerk side.
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I would rather them raise the XP for it would get more people on the ground or in the zone....
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Oh yeah I have updated the Fear vs CK score in my sig
Well thats one way to scare away all the casual PVP'ers. there go the easy targets...
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This thread reminds me of every political dispute that has no concrete answer.
One side is the jerks and the other side the victims and whichever side you're personally on is the side against the jerks.
One thing I am curious about, though, is why they just don't remove xp and debt in the PvP zones.
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I am on the Jerk side.
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I would rather them raise the XP for it would get more people on the ground or in the zone....
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GANK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh yeah I have updated the Fear vs CK score in my sig
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My personal preference is to leave it, but I desire to have the forum wars reduced even more. I'm for any solution that doesn't turn the PvP zones into an arena.
Nether and Shotty are right. The forums are starting to suck because personal preference has turned into name-calling. I like chocolate, you vanilla-loving jacktard! Bah.
is it me scarying them or getting them to herd up on the top of the FC building so they are lambs to the slaughter?????
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Because it's part of the game. In particular it's part of Siren's Call. In the other PvP zones the NPCs aren't such a big deal. Siren's Call (at least on Champion) is the most popular PvP zone. So why would they change it? From the Dev's point of view it's the one that seems to be working the best.
Debt really isn't that big a deal, you work it off pretty quickly in PvE, so I don't understand what all the complaining is about.
Fight Club is an effort by players to impose rules that aren't supported by the game itself. As such it needs to be policed by players, you can't expect the Developers to do it.
If people are doing something the Devs disapprove of, they will change the game to prevent it. From they're point of view, any other ruling than the one Cuppa has give us would be a nightmare to implement.
*shrug* If I ever hear about someone doing the mob thing on Guardian I will harass(well, in legal ways anyway) them until I get bored with it.
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Because it's part of the game. In particular it's part of Siren's Call. In the other PvP zones the NPCs aren't such a big deal. Siren's Call (at least on Champion) is the most popular PvP zone. So why would they change it? From the Dev's point of view it's the one that seems to be working the best.
Debt really isn't that big a deal, you work it off pretty quickly in PvE, so I don't understand what all the complaining is about.
Fight Club is an effort by players to impose rules that aren't supported by the game itself. As such it needs to be policed by players, you can't expect the Developers to do it.
If people are doing something the Devs disapprove of, they will change the game to prevent it. From they're point of view, any other ruling than the one Cuppa has give us would be a nightmare to implement.
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I agree with all that, but don't see what it's supposed to be saying that hasn't been said.
Will have to see if this "issue" is adressed in Recluses Victory. Not allot of info out yet, but the zone sure sounds dynamic and fun to PvP in. Lets hope it is. 
I have to admit, I'm pretty suprised that there is such an uproar over this topic.
The PvP policy has been the same since CoV beta. People asked about it back then, and when Issue 6 hit, and the answer hasn't changed.
I'm a casual PvP guy. I've been TPed into mobs, and off buildings. All it means to me is that someone attacked me, and I have to attack them back. It's just another tactic. And not a great one at that...
As far as someone griefing your player event, your best bet is to police it yourself. That or, as another poster mentioned, use the arena instead. The arena has a much nicer setup for 1v1 battles, and we should be getting hero vs. villian functionality in Issue 7.
All's fair in love and war. Watch your back and have fun out there...
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See, she stated it clear and simple What I do is neither harassment or griefing! Practically any tactic is valid in PvP.
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Sure, it's[meaning any tactic you might think up] not technically harassment or griefing, but you are still a lamer. What the devs think will never change what you are.
Rulings like this make me just as glad my subscription is expiring. I'll renew just long enough to fiddle around with I7 powers and then I'm gone. Their insistence on anything-goes PvP in a broken system with asshatted rules only reinforces my disgust. It's been fun, but with every change, the fun is diminished.
Mods: Ban me now, delete this post, or let people see what I have to say. Doesn't matter to me.