He so smart, he stupid. (Web of Arachnos spoilers)
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Alevan,
Posted on: 2005-10-15 19:05 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
I just can't believe how COLD Stefan/Lord Recluse became after they drank the waters. And being I love Greek Mythology, the whole play just gave me a great kick. But if you think about it, the Furies said "If two entered, two others must die." That prophecy DID come true, and no one died as a result.
I think they meant that the moment they drank the water, the people they were would die and a new being or person would be born. So, Marcus Cole and Stefan Richter died that day, and Statesman and Lord Recluse were born. They just needed that space to do it.
VERY good book so far.
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so...
Mr.States + Mrs.States................... Mr.Recluse + Mrs.Recluse
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.........Statesman........................Maiden Justice & Lord R.
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so...Lord R. is Statesmans Brother in law? and also Ms. Lib's Great Uncle?
oh wow....i need to lay down now...
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I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate...
A family tree gone wrong. :P What will the kid of the future with Statesman bloodline gonna do when Statesman disappears and Lord Recluse is all thats left? The kid may have fight his "Uncle.."
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No wait. I've an eviller thought. I'd just called him Uncy Recly and run. Very fast. But that's me.
What a tree. o_o
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That scenario reminds me of The Hero and the Crown
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so...
Mr.States + Mrs.States................... Mr.Recluse + Mrs.Recluse
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.........Statesman........................Maiden Justice & Lord R.
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................................Miss. Lib + Mr. X
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..........................................Ms. Lib
so...Lord R. is Statesmans Brother in law? and also Ms. Lib's Great Uncle?
oh wow....i need to lay down now...
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Nicely done.
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I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate...
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So what does that make us?
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-The Council was formed from the ashes of Arachnos.
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Did someone just rewrite history here? From what I understood The Counsil had more to do with the arrival of the Kheldians.
Also if it "formed from the ashes of Arachnos." isn't that Lord Recluse's organization and when people generally talk about an organization being in ashes that means it is defunct. As far as I know Lord Recluse is currently and definately not "defunct".
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When Mussolini fell, Arachnos splintered. The Center took a small group and formed the Council. At that time Arakhn stayed with the Council and Requiem was placed in the 5th Column as a mole.
That was also when Lord Recluse decided it was time for a new outlook for Arachnos. No longer would they back someone else. He took full control of the reigns and has never looked back.
Much more recently the Council showed themselves when they made their move on the 5th Column. This was in part motivated by plans of their Nictus allies fnally coming to fruition.
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o.O waaaiiittt... this doesn't really fit in with the 5th column stories.. (not that the council ones ever did but..).. I'm particularly thinking of the post council swap version of Requiem 's letter.
<.< he seems to greatly dispse the council and wishes to resurrect the 5th.. I've been holding out hope for him to do that.. I'm kinda feeling like your pulling a marvel here with the storyline re-writes.
o.o turning Requiem into a squidie was bad enough.. I miss the old 5th and Requiem. They where dark, sinister and looked evil without all the sharp groteskness that alot of ppl go with. The arachnos guards have the same feel to them, but it's not quite up there.. the council... its just to hard to take seriously, half their ppl look like pro-wrestlers.
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When Mussolini fell, Arachnos splintered. The Center took a small group and formed the Council. At that time Arakhn stayed with the Council and Requiem was placed in the 5th Column as a mole.
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So that's it? Now, instead of the 5th being Requiem's great achievement, he was just a mole in the group?
So much for "My 5th Column, my power", huh?
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I can't help but wonder if the water equally changed Cole's perspectives. He was an infameous thief after all; after drinking from the fountain he sort of took a 360 from that path.
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180, you stupid, spaghetti-slurping cretin - *180*! If I did a 360, I'd go completely around and end up back where I started!
- Statesman
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I didn't know States had a role in Last Action Hero as the main villain.. 
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And thanks for clearing up the Jimmy issue for me, I was confused. And the Maria Jenkins... was wondering why she canged her name And when L. Recluse says "My sister sends her regards" I still don't get how he would know and States wouldn't. Is Monica dead? Can Recluse talk to the dead if she is?
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That is certainly one explanation.
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Recluse as an Incarnate of Hades, perhaps?
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so...
Mr.States + Mrs.States................... Mr.Recluse + Mrs.Recluse
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.........Statesman........................Maiden Justice & Lord R.
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................................Miss. Lib + Mr. X
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..........................................Ms. Lib
so...Lord R. is Statesmans Brother in law? and also Ms. Lib's Great Uncle?
oh wow....i need to lay down now...
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Nicely done.
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I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate...
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So what does that make us?
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Big damn heroes, sir.
I love this thread. It has that great smell of my master! *gives Master Manticore an arrow-shaped cookie*
... Hey, that'd make a great Mastermind!!! "Master Manticore", with his pet zombie "Fanboy"!!! *runs off to make character*
Aaaaaanyway, *another cookie to Manticore* This stuff is realyl confusing. You and your team + the CoV team has made a pretty freakin' cool universe, man. Keep up the good work.
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I just can't believe how COLD Stefan/Lord Recluse became after they drank the waters. And being I love Greek Mythology, the whole play just gave me a great kick. But if you think about it, the Furies said "If two entered, two others must die." That prophecy DID come true, and no one died as a result.
I think they meant that the moment they drank the water, the people they were would die and a new being or person would be born. So, Marcus Cole and Stefan Richter died that day, and Statesman and Lord Recluse were born. They just needed that space to do it.
VERY good book so far.
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Actually, no...two other people did die. One in the pit by the traps...very painfully it seemed too. The other Richer (Recluse) killed as he didn't want to be found out, finally fulfilling the prophecy.
I'm interested to see how our characters could become incarnates, cause what I gathered from the book was that it was the combination of drinking the water AND the light from the box that did the trick. Since the box was empty, and the water was already becoming tainted, how could more become "true" incarnates? Which leads me to my next question...
In the comic, the FPh gets the fire/light of creation from Prometheus. Could this be the creator of the box? If so...does that make the current ones near immortal as they were closest to the bathing light much as Cole/Richter were in the cave? Sooo...many questions...
As for the Dominatrix/Tyrant thing...just more questions...why didn't he turn into a "beast" like Recluse did? (Can't believe thaose arms are PART of him). Personally, I think Tyrant killed Richter in that timeline or entered it without him...And Ezra (his brother) prob married Maiden Justice...just a thought...
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Few thoughts:
1. Statesman is a lying liar. He's as much of a treasure hunter as Locke Cole was. Liar.
2. So, do the current members of the Phalanx know what a man about town States used to be? I can just see Manticore finding out and going "Dude! You used to be cool! What happened?!"
3. Is Recluse an incarnate of Zeus as well? The book never says that either of them are incarnates of Zeus, so that question is still a little hazy.
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When Mussolini fell, Arachnos splintered. The Center took a small group and formed the Council. At that time Arakhn stayed with the Council and Requiem was placed in the 5th Column as a mole.
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So that's it? Now, instead of the 5th being Requiem's great achievement, he was just a mole in the group?
So much for "My 5th Column, my power", huh?
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Well, considering he's been leading it for several decades and has kept it a prominent villain group for all that time...Even after the Whermacht was defeated...I think he has reasons to gloat. The 5th Coloumn IS his achievement, even if he didn't originally create it.
Went to Borders...no book. Ran to B&N, no book.
ARrrrrrrrrgh!
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so...
Mr.States + Mrs.States................... Mr.Recluse + Mrs.Recluse
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.........Statesman........................Maiden Justice & Lord R.
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................................Miss. Lib + Mr. X
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..........................................Ms. Lib
so...Lord R. is Statesmans Brother in law? and also Ms. Lib's Great Uncle?
oh wow....i need to lay down now...
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Nicely done.
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I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate...
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So what does that make us?
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Big damn heroes, sir.
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Ain't we just?
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Went to Borders...no book. Ran to B&N, no book.
ARrrrrrrrrgh!
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My B&N was hiding it in the back.
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Well, considering he's been leading it for several decades and has kept it a prominent villain group for all that time...Even after the Whermacht was defeated...I think he has reasons to gloat. The 5th Coloumn IS his achievement, even if he didn't originally create it.
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You find out that Requiem isn't too happy being a Council lapdog. I forsee a 5th Column rising in the forseeable future.
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I love this thread. It has that great smell of my master! *gives Master Manticore an arrow-shaped cookie*
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I suppose I must be the only one slightly disturbed that you can smell Manticore.
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I love this thread. It has that great smell of my master! *gives Master Manticore an arrow-shaped cookie*
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I suppose I must be the only one slightly disturbed that you can smell Manticore.
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Okay, I'll say it. [setup] How does Manticore smell? [/setup]
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-The Council was formed from the ashes of Arachnos.
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Did someone just rewrite history here? From what I understood The Counsil had more to do with the arrival of the Kheldians.
Also if it "formed from the ashes of Arachnos." isn't that Lord Recluse's organization and when people generally talk about an organization being in ashes that means it is defunct. As far as I know Lord Recluse is currently and definately not "defunct".
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When Mussolini fell, Arachnos splintered. The Center took a small group and formed the Council. At that time Arakhn stayed with the Council and Requiem was placed in the 5th Column as a mole.
That was also when Lord Recluse decided it was time for a new outlook for Arachnos. No longer would they back someone else. He took full control of the reigns and has never looked back.
Much more recently the Council showed themselves when they made their move on the 5th Column. This was in part motivated by plans of their Nictus allies fnally coming to fruition.
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All this (and the rest of the info you've provided in this thread) really needs to be archived somewhere...