He so smart, he stupid. (Web of Arachnos spoilers)
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Alevan,
Posted on: 2005-10-15 19:05 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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From what I've gathered, the 5th Column was entirely separate from Arachnos. Then the Council split off from Arachnos, and subsequently took over the 5th Column.
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Bingo.
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Oh god really? Then why are they lead by such a dashing swarthy gypsy of an AV? Was he too swarthy and dashing to be part of arachnos and had to take over the 5th? That would sadden me. I liked the 5th. They were not swarthy.
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Hey guys,
I am glad that folks seem to be enjoying the book. I just wanted to clear up a few of your questions.
-Shalice Tilman (Sister Psyche) has been around a long time. She was a teenager when she first appeared on the scene and when she is using her Mindriding ability her aging process is suspended. This has effectively doubled her lifespan.
-Maiden Justice is Monica Richter. Her daughter is Miss Liberty who was born in the late 40's. (Statesman and Maiden Justice waited until later in their careers to have children.) Her granddaughter is Ms. Liberty who was born in the early 80's.
-As far as Maria Jenkins goes, there is a mistake in her bio information. Maria Jenkins was Madame Danger not Maiden Justice. She worked with Statesman in the 30's. Sorry for the confusion.
-James "Jimmy the Smith" St. John Smythe is the father of Jonathan St. John Smythe in Atlas Park.
-The Council was formed from the ashes of Arachnos.
Hope that helps!
~Sean
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*drools* Manticore replied to my post! ME!!! *is giddy* *gives Manticore a cookie* Can I be your fanboy? Arctic_Sun dosn't post enough 
And thanks for clearing up the Jimmy issue for me, I was confused. And the Maria Jenkins... was wondering why she canged her name And when L. Recluse says "My sister sends her regards" I still don't get how he would know and States wouldn't. Is Monica dead? Can Recluse talk to the dead if she is?
Manticore: CoV tie-in story arcs please!! 
I think I'll go tick off Celtic by telling him I'm yer fanboy now 
This discussion would be less frustrating if I could get the book anywhere here in Canada. 
Tygyr Tygyr Burning Bright
Let me see if I'm getting the Arachnos/Coloumn/Council thing straight...
Arachnos was some fascist organization, presumably working for Mussolini. The Center was mutant (possibly, even probably Nictus) member of Arachnos who left them (taking tons of ressources on his way out) to create the Council of Nictus, that was devoted to bringing the Nictus to power on Earth. The 5th Coloumn was part of Hitler's army, and its command was given to Requiem, the fusion of a Nictus and the fascist Ridolfo Uzziano (secretly and reluctantly taking orders from the Center). Lord Recluse took over what was left of Arachnos, then proceeded to conquer the Rogue Isles. Recently, still under orders from the Center, Requiem allowed the 5th Coloumn to be taken over by the Council.
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-Maiden Justice is Monica Richter. Her daughter is Miss Liberty who was born in the late 40's. (Statesman and Maiden Justice waited until later in their careers to have children.) Her granddaughter is Ms. Liberty who was born in the early 80's.
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So uh... this means that Tyrant is Dominatrix's grandfather too, right?
Ew.
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No - Dominatrix's mother was a hero - according to her bio named "Miss Liberty" - so it is unlikely that her mother's father was the Tyrant. Probably Miss Liberty-of-Praetorian-Earth's father was some other hero who is a villain in the regular CoH world... my first guess was Lord Recluse but he can't be as he is probably Miss Liberty's mom's brother in that world too? Or maybe it's in Praetorian Earth that Maria Jenkins got the name Maiden Justice first, accounting for the bio error. Whereas in real Earth Monica Richter got it first so Maria had to settle for her 2nd choice.
Could the Jenkins from CoV tutorial be Maria's descendant? hmm...
Great! Now how about a chapter explaining how Statesman looks so young, fresh, and non-wrinkled - seeing how he was superhero-ing back in the 30's?
Was there a time-travel expansion I missed? Has my memory been nerfed too?
so...
Mr.States + Mrs.States................... Mr.Recluse + Mrs.Recluse
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.........Statesman........................Maiden Justice & Lord R.
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................................Miss. Lib + Mr. X
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..........................................Ms. Lib
so...Lord R. is Statesmans Brother in law? and also Ms. Lib's Great Uncle?
oh wow....i need to lay down now...
Ty for making that little chart. That cleared it up ( not being sarcastic)
Arc ID: 475246, "Bringing a Lord to Power"
"I'm only a simple man trying to cling to my tomorrow. Every day. By any means necessary."
-Caldwell B. Cladwell
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Great! Now how about a chapter explaining how Statesman looks so young, fresh, and non-wrinkled - seeing how he was superhero-ing back in the 30's?
Was there a time-travel expansion I missed? Has my memory been nerfed too?
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He's an incarnate. He drank from the Well of Zeus (as did Lord Recluse), gained some godlike powers and (partial/total) immortality. At least that's what I've gathered.
Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.) - Whitman
Consistency is the defense of a small mind. - Beldin
It's funny because he wants to destroy his brother-in-law for killing his brother and father-in-law...
I havein't read it yet, who wants to destory who?
Lord R. wants to kill States for killing his Brother and Father?
or
States wants to kill Lord R. for killing his Brother and Father?
EDIT *head explodes* /EDIT
Wait Statesman had children?????
Mastoid lvl 50 ss/inv tank Freedom
The Solar Sentinal lvl 2 ss/fire tank Freedom
Steel Bus lvl 34 ss/inv tank Virtue
War Tide lvl 6 axe/inv tank Triumph
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States started out a criminal?
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All the nerfs suddenly make sense. It's been my opinion for quite a while that they all were simply criminal.
Speaking of nerfs, I wonder if the nerf bat was one of the artifacts he might have found on the Isle of Vengeance.
Suddenly it all fits together.
FireWild - lv 50 Fire/Fire Blaster (Justice)
FyreWyld - lv 40 Energy/Energy Brute (Justice)
... and way too many others
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Wait Statesman had children?????
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That sort of surprised me, too. Back to Paragon History 101 for me.
FireWild - lv 50 Fire/Fire Blaster (Justice)
FyreWyld - lv 40 Energy/Energy Brute (Justice)
... and way too many others
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I havein't read it yet, who wants to destory who?
Lord R. wants to kill States for killing his Brother and Father?
or
States wants to kill Lord R. for killing his Brother and Father?
EDIT *head explodes* /EDIT
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Lord Recluse was responsible for the killings. It wasn't his hand that did the deeds, but he orchestrated all of it.
Stefan (Lord Recluse) had a lot of jealousy towards Marcus Cole because he felt he wasn't getting the credit that he was due in the Cole Gang. When he drank from the Fountain of Zeus, he not only grew stronger in body, but also in mind. It also changed his perspectives.
I can't help but wonder if the water equally changed Cole's perspectives. He was an infameous thief after all; after drinking from the fountain he sort of took a 360 from that path.
FireWild - lv 50 Fire/Fire Blaster (Justice)
FyreWyld - lv 40 Energy/Energy Brute (Justice)
... and way too many others
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oh wow....i need to lay down now...
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Sort of makes our own family problems seem mundane, doesn't it? 
FireWild - lv 50 Fire/Fire Blaster (Justice)
FyreWyld - lv 40 Energy/Energy Brute (Justice)
... and way too many others
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He's an incarnate. He drank from the Well of Zeus (as did Lord Recluse), gained some godlike powers and (partial/total) immortality. At least that's what I've gathered.
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You guys get the comic for free. Don't you READ it?
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I can't help but wonder if the water equally changed Cole's perspectives. He was an infameous thief after all; after drinking from the fountain he sort of took a 360 from that path.
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180, you stupid, spaghetti-slurping cretin - *180*! If I did a 360, I'd go completely around and end up back where I started!
- Statesman
Please try my custom mission arcs!
Legacy of a Rogue (ID 459586, Entry for Dr. Aeon's Third Challenge)
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So... so... oh god...
Tyrant's incesteuos sex-slave is his daughter?
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The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure. --- Thomas Jefferson
Formerly known as YFNDBA
I'm starting to think WoA is CoH's AU, mutually exclusive "bookverse". From what I've read here thus far, the plotlines do not mesh.
Storm Summoning is great because it makes you better than everyone else in the game. - Camma
Knockback is mitigation. It won't be removed just because meleers ***** and moan. - Chaos Creator
Yeah they do.
What about them strikes you as not meshing?
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure. --- Thomas Jefferson
Formerly known as YFNDBA
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-The Council was formed from the ashes of Arachnos.
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Did someone just rewrite history here? From what I understood The Counsil had more to do with the arrival of the Kheldians.
Also if it "formed from the ashes of Arachnos." isn't that Lord Recluse's organization and when people generally talk about an organization being in ashes that means it is defunct. As far as I know Lord Recluse is currently and definately not "defunct".
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When Mussolini fell, Arachnos splintered. The Center took a small group and formed the Council. At that time Arakhn stayed with the Council and Requiem was placed in the 5th Column as a mole.
That was also when Lord Recluse decided it was time for a new outlook for Arachnos. No longer would they back someone else. He took full control of the reigns and has never looked back.
Much more recently the Council showed themselves when they made their move on the 5th Column. This was in part motivated by plans of their Nictus allies fnally coming to fruition.
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And thanks for clearing up the Jimmy issue for me, I was confused. And the Maria Jenkins... was wondering why she canged her name And when L. Recluse says "My sister sends her regards" I still don't get how he would know and States wouldn't. Is Monica dead? Can Recluse talk to the dead if she is?
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That is certainly one explanation. 
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so...
Mr.States + Mrs.States................... Mr.Recluse + Mrs.Recluse
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.........Statesman........................Maiden Justice & Lord R.
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..........................................Ms. Lib
so...Lord R. is Statesmans Brother in law? and also Ms. Lib's Great Uncle?
oh wow....i need to lay down now...
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Nicely done.
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-The Council was formed from the ashes of Arachnos.
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Did someone just rewrite history here? From what I understood The Counsil had more to do with the arrival of the Kheldians.
Also if it "formed from the ashes of Arachnos." isn't that Lord Recluse's organization and when people generally talk about an organization being in ashes that means it is defunct. As far as I know Lord Recluse is currently and definately not "defunct".