Wait just a cotton pickin' minute. These boards have been telling me for months that less than five percent of players are 45+. The higher level players have been flamed continually asking for higher level content. Now, suddenly everyone is concerned with the higher level players getting Hami enh. Pick a side guys.
If we can't have content or any form of progression leave us the Hami's. I would prefer to not have any uber time sink loot in the game. But Hami is all we have. It cracks me up that suddenly everyone is concerned with upper level content. In the past, every single post asking for more upper level content has been lambasted on these forums.
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Does your casual player base mean so little to you?
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Does arrogance mean something to you?
This game is trying to give casual people a fun game while at the same time hardcore people a fun game. Hardcore people have Hamidon enhancements while casual people enjoy the story arcs and other things.
Your argument is just like what the Hardcore crowd says..."Does the hardcore player base mean so little to you?"
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Jonbo, we get it...you're stance is pretty well known by now, you've posted 40 times in every hammy thread. You are however pretty biased on the issue since you're in JL with most likely over 70% full of HOs. Most of us hardly have one, even though we've been to many successful raids.
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Where am I biased? I also NEVER "show off" my build. There is no point to. I play the game just as well as I did before Hammy's. But I would like to know where I'm biased because I like to be vocal on something like Hamidon. I tend to try and keep not as vocal but I dont like sitting idle on talks about Hamidon. Is it a law now? 
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Pfft. So basically if you want to matter post level 45, you have to go fight Hammidon.
I'm glad I'm level 38. I can at least have 7 levels of PvP fun.
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This also means that the effectiveness of your Enhancements are capped to the level of effectiveness of that weight classes' Enhancements. That means that your Hamidon Enhancement is considered at an S.O. or lower level, rather than +50%. You'll still have the advantage because two or three aspects are being boosted, but you won't have the overwhelming % advantage.
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Let me hazard a guess here. When you speak of caps to the effectiveness to enhancements, are these at the same levels that the effectiveness of SOs are capped?
Because I was RSKd to a lvl 39 the other day, and the recharge boost from (tohit/def/recharge) HOs was still 50%...
With weight classes in bands of 5, that would mean that if this stays the same in the arena, HOs would retain their "normal" bonus even when fighting heroes down to at least lvl 35.
And if the caps are at the same levels they currently are for SOs, this would stay the same down to what, lvl 20? 15?
And below this they would give the bonus of SOs while SOs give the bonus of DOs?
And then as DOs instead of as TOs?
I'd say that if HOs are "killer" when fighting your own weight class, it seems like they might be "total annihilation" when fighting weight classes far below you. Not only will you have far many more enhancement slots, your enhancements will be providing higher bonuses, and they will give these bonuses to several things instead of to just one.
And on a slightly off-topic note...
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If you battle in the Arena another hero in a weight class below you (weight classes are five level bands), you will be auto-exemplared to that weight class.
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Does this mean that we can expect auto-exemplaring for TFs too?
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If you're in your weight class, Hamidon Enhancements are killer.
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Well, guess if I don't want to get blown away in PvP I better join a time-flagged guild and start raiding the Planes so I can get into an elemental-flagged guild and get the uber armor drops.
Oh wait, that's Eq, and it sucked.
Seriously though, I am looking forward to some fun battles on Test with a lvl 44 copy of my hero, but I won't force myself to sit through Hami raids full of jerk-hackers just to compete at 45+ when it goes live.
I would like to offer a possible suggestion for HOs since they are becoming a major concern among possible PvP players. Since HOs and the Trial SOs enhance multiple aspect of a power, perhaps upon entering the arena with these special enhancements a hero should have to choose to substitute an enhancement for one of the abilities. So for a Damage/Accuracy, they would have to choose to use a +3 damage or a +3 accuracy in the slotted power. Upon exiting the arena they would have their slotting returned to the original special SO. This would hopefully even the playing field and help to keep the game from becoming the "you better be part of a nice big SG or have good friends that can get you in on private raids because farming is the only way you can win" Personally I think this may be a better solution to the problem.
Pinnacle
CrimsonShadow Lvl 50 Katana/Regen Scrapper-Leader of Shattered Dimension
Arkhan Phaeros lvl 27 Empathy/Dark Blast Defender-Great Minds SG
Shatter Freak lvl 22 Mind Control/Kinetics Controller -Captain of Shattered Dimension
Project CABAL lvl 11 Invulnerability/Energy Tanker
Napalm Trigger lvl 10 Assault Rifle/Devices Blaster
Tyr Radaken lvl 40 Warshade-Leader of Shattered Dimension
Infinity
Caliga Levis lvl 16 Dark Miasma/Psychic Defender
Solis Centuri lvl 16 Peacebringer
Damn I love being right. I said this a week ago and was ignored.
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Plus, unless you exclusively fight people lvl 47 and up, the darn things most likely won't even act like Hami enhancers since when you exemplar down, they'll probably get scaled to regular SOs, since you can't even equip them if you are 46 and under.
Any time they fight someone who can't equip one, their hami would reduce in effectiveness. Even if it does retain all the different bonuses, it won't be as drastic a difference if the % on the enhancers scale down.
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Also if you see trip mines being placed or novering report them, as Cuppajo has just requested.
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I keep seeing this statement attributed to CuppaJo but nowhere do I actually see it.
What CuppaJo actually said (as far as I can find)
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If a group of "Heroes" are using tactics to collect large numbers of Hamidon Enhancements and thus keeping others who should rightfully be receiving the enhancements from doing so - this is considered griefing.
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I don't see the words 'trip mine' here.
Sure spamming the entire crater with trip mines so that you grab everyone else's hami-Os I think we would all agree that's griefing. Dropping one at your feet to make sure you get your own bud when it spawns, however, that's not keeping others from what is rightfully theirs, and therefore is not griefing. Also, laying a dozen mines in a small circle in which your nearby controller pal is going to drop his imps is also not taking anyone else's, its making sure you keep the ones that your team is rightfully entitiled to.
If I'm wrong and CuppaJo called for a specific Jihad on trip mines, please point me there. Someone's interpretation of the above quoted statement to mean trip mines doesn't get me there.
Training a monster onto a controller waiting to cast imps, now thats griefing. You may not agree with the controller standing there, but he's not taking anything from anyone else. That's /my/ opinion, not something CuppaJo said, just so we are clear.
I think the Devs need to take a firmer stand here. Filing this under an ambiguous definition of griefing just doesn't clear it up for anyone. The encounter itself is breaking every loot rule we have been taught in this game so far, every one that many of us have left other games because of. Now we are told that Hami-Os will be a must have. That's fine, make the Hami encounter function like every other encounter in the game and I can be happy with it. As it is at this current moment it is nothing but a monumental force for causing much infighting across the board. This is what causes people to leave a game faster than any other problem. Honestly I'd just as soon they lock the zone til they can fix it to work like other encounters (with instanced missions, lowering the zone caps on number of players, and numerous other solutions I have seen in the forums and know that have been PM'd to the devs, some even by me).
on a related question: when my SO gets capped, does it do so at a max level, or a relative level? My level 50 has a lot of 52 SOs. If I drop down to level 45, facing a 45 who has 48 SOs, does the 45 get the edge with +++ vs ++? Or is the cap "L48 SO for this weight class"?
51-53 SOs may have just become elite loot, too.
I'm not sure how I feel about this. All I can say now is that I've been on 2 successful Hammi raids and have nothing to show for them because of the flawed distribution system. That has to be fixed if HOs are going to give an arena advantage.
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To Sum Up: People with Hamidon Enhancements are Bad, and Lack Skill. I will not be playing them, my friends will not be playing them, and I will have less respect for people who I think May Have Them.
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Wrong!
I'll have less respect for a post 45 PvP title, not the player. I never said that the those with HOs are bad or lack skill. I'm noting that HOs may tip the scales for them. I liken it to steroids, corked bats and such. They don't ensure success, but they do help. I know that not everyone 45+ will have HOs and may hold some PvP rank, but because I cannot see their enhancements, I'll have to question their true skill. I was also reminding the players that they do not have to be worried about HOs as they don't have to deal with players who have them.
Why the remark about sour grapes? I'm sure that's something you would not tell me in person, so please, try to be more polite.
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Pfft. So basically if you want to matter post level 45, you have to go fight Hammidon.
I'm glad I'm level 38. I can at least have 7 levels of PvP fun.
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There are going to be a TON of customizable options for Arena matches. Why does everyone assume that the use of Hami's won't be one? If they can code to automatically lower the effect when exemplared, they can code to lower the effect when you click on the box that says [] Lower effect of Hamidon enhancements to SO levels.
Just watch and wait. quietly if at all possible.
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To Sum Up: People with Hamidon Enhancements are Bad, and Lack Skill. I will not be playing them, my friends will not be playing them, and I will have less respect for people who I think May Have Them.
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Wrong!
I'll have less respect for a post 45 PvP title, not the player. I never said that the those with HOs are bad or lack skill. I'm noting that HOs may tip the scales for them. I liken it to steroids, corked bats and such. They don't ensure success, but they do help. I know that not everyone 45+ will have HOs and may hold some PvP rank, but because I cannot see their enhancements, I'll have to question their true skill. I was also reminding the players that they do not have to be worried about HOs as they don't have to deal with players who have them.
Why the remark about sour grapes? I'm sure that's something you would not tell me in person, so please, try to be more polite.
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See, I went and reread your post, and I'll admit it still strikes me in the same fashion it at first did.
For my own part, I invested alot of time and energy in my character, and in the HOs. This is not (to my mind) 'steroids' in competition... it would be 'steroids' if the GMs had said they were disallowed, but they were commonly and cheaply available.
The supply of HOs in one of my toons (Ive left my other 'main' clear, to provide a non-HO opponent for people who dont have the opportunity to get them) is a result of nothing more or less than a lot of hard work, planning, and careful thought and effort on my part and the part of my Supergroup. To suggest that any success I should have is somehow lessened or tainted because I chose to work hard at being successful seems very strange to me.
As for the sour grapes comment? I would probably have said that in person... I'm fairly direct when riled. The characterization of those who have chosen to work towards their success on this thread angers me.
Yes, it is a game. Yes, a game should be fun, not work. But being very, very successful at something that is hard, that alot of people want to be very, very successful at will, and argueably should, involve work. There will always be some form of advantage to be gained, and being willing to work for that advantage, because you want to succeed, should not be grounds for the sort of villifying that has been going on here.
If I were an amature race-car driver, in a class of races where anything went, I would not expect to see my time and effort in careful enginnering and planning nullified because someone wanted to drive a floor-stock Honda Civic, and argued that racing is supposed to be fun, and that he did not find working on his car fun, just driving.
That was the backdrop against which your post was made, and perhaps my perception of it was inadvertently coloured by the colour of the backdrop.
I personally will have every bit as much respect for the holders of the 'lightweight' titles... its a big old world, and everyone doesnt have to play my way. That said, I choose to persue the super-heavyweight belt, in the highest echelons of competition, and I find the idea that my efforts are less worthy or my success (whatever it may be) less valuable because I worked harder for it quite beyond my comprehension.
In any even, enjoy your game, and perhaps we will cross blades on C'len, my 'light heavyweight', rather than on HERO, my 'super heavyweight', character.
Seems to me Cleen this is one of the reasons folks ask for a "level playing field", So we know it's the skill and build choices that won.
The range of competition is just too wide - it's like the yankees and the little league all at one world series. What does it mean when the Yankees win? Why does that interest me? We all knew who was going to win going in.
Pre 45 is like the little league vs little league - I can wrap my brain around that - the winner is in doubt and therefore of interest.
I can respect your ability to gather HOs - I remember ToA and I know it takes work and some smarts. But all that happened before the Arena match and it renders the match a done-deal... and I just don't care so much about the outcome.
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Well... I've sure tasted sweeter! *smiles*
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How are you going to tell if someone has Hamis? They don't show up in your power list, after all.
Still here, even after all this time!
Just give me an easy option to weed out Hami users from my potential PvP partners and I'll be happy.
If you're really feeling nice, maybe an option so we can temporarily replace our Hami's with SOs so we don't have to segregate so much.
-Jag
But seriously - #!@$ Loot 
Balance is not about making everybody the same. Balance is about making your strengths worth all of your weaknesses.
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How are you going to tell if someone has Hamis? They don't show up in your power list, after all.
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You can't. I believe that's where the steroids comparison comes in. We can't tell who uses what so we just assume the worse - and stuff like homerun records don't seem to mean so much.
But I don't understand why you quoted by stupid grapes joke...
I must admit I am beyond dissapointed. Call me over-competitive.. but I have been awaiting PvP ever since I first got CoH last summer or so. Building my character towards it, and looking forward to it.. etc. It wasnt until level 40 or so that I noticed a 50 in the Abandoned Sewers.. showing off something that would piss me off for a long time.. an enhancement with a gold ring around it.. At first I had no idea what the hell it was.. thinking maybe it was a temporary enhancment or something? I wasnt bothered by it. But when I was told it has dual, or even triple effects (+ACC and +DMG in one slot) I became a little worried these would unbalance the game... then only rescently I heard the truth that was insane... not only do these things have multi effects.. but a %50 one at that!!! This is insane.. I felt like cancelling my account then and there.. and I am a hardcore player.. I think CoH is awesome, my favorite game ever!!
I play on Guardian.. which is probably one of, if not THE least populated servers on CoH, and I never hear of Hamidon being raided except for maybe once every few weeks..where I hear rumors that on Justice it is raided every other day. Prehaps I am being impatient when I say that fighting a boss every 14 days just is not soon enough. Mind you I have not even fought Hamidon and I've been level 50 for months. I know many of you can say the same.. but really.. SHOULD you be saying the same?! Now that loot is involved (Yes, this is loot, and yes.. this does heavily unbalance the game.) Some of us hardcore players, and solo-players are forced to push even beyond hardcore playing.. I mean you thought finding a balanced team of 8 for respec was hard.. do you know how impossible it is to find a 100-man team of +45s on a server like Guardian.. sometimes in Peregrine at night I fear I will /whoall and see "Tumbleweeds" and "The Wind". Maybe you should set up some kind've daily team-search system for +45's.. since the game is going in this direction. I heard someone say that they are wanting to have daily raids just to distribute hamidon enh among heroes to 'flood the market'..to keep things fair; Something the Devs should be doing (and note: that is the very first time I've said anything negative about the fine group of people at Cryptic.) And it is ironic.. that not even a day before this thread it was posted that stealing hami enh was 'griefing'.. well... lol.. NEWS FLASH! Do we really need to bring out the infamous 'Captain Obvious'.
Bottom line: Yes, this is loot. Yes, this does unbalance the game. No, the devs probably won't do anything about it. No, I will not threaten to cancel my account.. since we all know damn well I won't .
I say the only thing we, as the players, can do is raid Hamidon daily on every server. Does that seem impossible? Well.. yeah it does, so I guess we're all kinda F****d huh?
OK, this is rediculous now. All you people quivering and quaking over HOs And why? Ooooo, they're not fair.....I don't wanna farm for extra stuff.......I do not think it evens out things when a lower lvl person or same lvl player goes up against someone when they do not have it. Well guess what? TOUGH SH#*!
Why are some people rich and others poor? What you don't wanna work and do some things like we have to in life to get ahead? Then settle for what you got or do something about it like say......Work for it. What you don't want to? Fine! But do not go and take it away from those willing to go the extra mile to be better. Do we put wieghted bands and Anklets on the better fighter in the ring to even things up when he has trained to be better than others? Do we shorten the bats on superior baseball players? Do we krack the knees of fast running backs? No we do not. So those of you who do not want to push and do the things you need to be superior for PvP when others are willing to? Man-up and accept your fate or do something about.
Goddamned communists!
I have nothing of interest to add here I just have to say how funny it is, seeing people getting so upset about something not even out yet, that im sure will be a option to turn off. LOL
this is just really funny to me, to the point that I think I'm done coming to these boards
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OK, this is rediculous now. All you people quivering and quaking over HOs And why? Ooooo, they're not fair.....I don't wanna farm for extra stuff.......I do not think it evens out things when a lower lvl person or same lvl player goes up against someone when they do not have it. Well guess what? TOUGH SH#*!
Why are some people rich and others poor? What you don't wanna work and do some things like we have to in life to get ahead? Then settle for what you got or do something about it like say......Work for it. What you don't want to? Fine! But do not go and take it away from those willing to go the extra mile to be better. Do we put wieghted bands and Anklets on the better fighter in the ring to even things up when he has trained to be better than others? Do we shorten the bats on superior baseball players? Do we krack the knees of fast running backs? No we do not. So those of you who do not want to push and do the things you need to be superior for PvP when others are willing to? Man-up and accept your fate or do something about.
Goddamned communists!
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Not everyone has the resources to get there, Ivan Drago.
As I haven't made it to Hami yet, how do you get the special enhancements? I mean whats the fair way of getting them, not the griefing.
I don't know how the mission / trial works? I have read something about "buds", do you get a enhs for each one you defeat? or is it only if you defeat Hami?
Also is it like when you complete an arc, you get to pick which enhs you want?
Sorry for all the questions but my main character is one bub away from 45 and I'm interested in getting a special enhancement.
I'll probably never use the arena against anyone not in my SG, so I ain't planning on using them to be more powerful against other players, just more powerful against the bad guys
Infamy, infamy, they've all got it infamy!!!
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Well, see this is exactly why amature racing (or pro for that matter) are broken down into classes with very tight restrictions on what modifications are allowed to be made to the cars so as to ensure a level playing field. This is done so a racer can't come into a competion where his car so simply outclasses the rest that the outcome is all but a formality.
You happen to have the resources to work for your Hammi O's and I think you should be entitled to them. Pitting a hero fully outfitted with HO's against a hero with none or a few HO's is (really we'll have to wait and see but....) not really going to be much of a fight.
SG's who are able to farm Hammi and outfit the entire SG in HO's is going to seriously own a SG without those resources, and I doubt skill will have very much to do with it. That is the same reason why in racing a Top Fuel'er doesn't run with the Pro Stocks.
Actually what's happening is that the level cap is being raised in I4 to 55 and HO's will drop often from some new MOBS being added for the lvl 51-55 range. So people will no longer have to camp Hammi. Instead, killing Hammy will give you a badge which will count towards a new accolade. This new accolade will allow you to make stuff up rapidly and consistently.
Tanks: 50 Inv/EM, 50 Ice/SS:: Trollers: 50 Ice/Rad, 50 Mind/Rad :: Defs: 50 Emp/Dark, 50 FF/Sonic, 50 Kin/Elec, 50 Storm/Elec :: Blstrs: 34 Nrg/Dev, 34 Fire/Nrg :: MMs: 50 Bots/FF :: Corrs: 44 Dark/Pain :: Doms: 45 Plant/Thorns :: Brutes: 50 Axe/Fire
wait a sec... the Arena isn't cross server, is it? If no one's fighting Hami on Guardian, then what do you have to worry about? No one will have the Hami-Os, or at least most people won't. And if people are fighting Hami, why not join them?
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This is what really confuses me... Yes people do set Trip Mines and take enhancements, but why aren't Pets mentioned? Or Burn? Or nukes (Blasters and Defenders)? Or Spines and Claw Scrappers? - I've seen each one of them steal enhancements on a regular basis, but the only that gets mentioned is Trip Mines...
Here's an idea, if you see Trip Mines down, move away from them before the buds spawn... If anything, Trip Mines are the easiest problem to deal with...
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Pets arnt mentioned becuase pets generate their own Bud, hence they are not taking away from the common pool.
This is the same reason that Auto Turrent is also OK, it generates its own bud.
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if it has HPs = good
if it doesnt have HPs = bad
Also if you see trip mines being placed or novering report them, as Cuppajo has just requested.