A Guide to Hamidon Enhancements


5thAmendment

 

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Ok, so the -recharge from Granite Armor prevents Hasten from being perma even if it's 6 slotted with 50++ SOs. My question is, does membrane work better than a 50++ SO for recharge, and will it allow me to perma Hasten with Granite on?


 

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Yes, membranes are better: 0.5 buff rather than the 0.333 base buff of an SO (or the 0.38295 of a +3 SO).

I don't know the recharge debuff that Granite provides, so I can't answer the second part directly. However: for perma-Hasten, the recharge boost to Hasten (other than the boost of Hasten itself) must be >= 2.05. Since HOs provide 0.5 each, as long as Granite's debuff is 0.95 or less, you can have perma-Hasten with some number of HOs - which number must be determined by the value of the Granite debuff.

HTH,

Kam


 

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Well..I must say I'm sooooo overjoyed to find out about the lack of speed boost from travel/end. I just used my last respec and then watch my friend fly past me. And here I thought the HO's would provide an actual boost. :'( Don't suppose I can get my respec back so I can be at the fly cap again...

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Well..I must say I'm sooooo overjoyed to find out about the lack of speed boost from travel/end. I just used my last respec and then watch my friend fly past me. And here I thought the HO's would provide an actual boost. :'( Don't suppose I can get my respec back so I can be at the fly cap again...

San

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Sorry... It isn't that much less than an SO though. (30% rather than 33% at even level)

As for the travel/ends buffing the recharge 50%, I doubt it. It would be the travel buff that would likely be doing it and it is only 30%, however it probably WILL be better than a recharge reducer because you get diminishing returns the more recharge reducers you slot but this, being an increase instead of a decrease, will be just as good at the fifth one as the first one.

One problem though, you can't slot the travel/end hamios in hasten. Hasten does not accept either buff normally.


 

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If anyone has any travel/ends I would greatly appreciate them testing this. Shouldn't be too hard to test.

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I tested this and didn't see any change. Specifically, I cast unslotted Phantasm then unslotted Accelerate Metabolism and timed how long it took Phantasm to recharge. Without any Recharge Reduction, Phantasm is supposed to recharge in 4 minutes I believe. With AM (which lasts for 2 minutes), Phantasm took 3 minutes 27 seconds (if I recall correctly, this was a couple days ago). Then I added 5 Travel/End HOs to AM and tried again. I got exactly the same recharge time.

Last I knew, AM was a +30% Recharge Reduction. In fact I tested it pretty well before starting my all-Rad SG. This looks more like +35%. Strange. But I got exactly the same results both times, so I can say that the Travel/End Enhancements don't affect the Recharge Reduction buff.


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No, that time shows an (approximately) 30% buff for AM:

AM lasts two minutes, so

120 = x / (1 + .3); x = 156 seconds; this is the amount of Phantasm's base recharge that elapses under the effect of AM.

240 - 156 = 84 seconds; this is the amount of base recharge left to elapse without AM.

120 (time under AM) + 84 (time not under AM) = 204 seconds - three minutes 24 seconds. Close enough to 3:27 (given your IIRC ).

HTH,

Kam


 

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That's it! I remember having to do it that way when I was testing it long ago. It looks backwards because you have to divide the Hasten duration (120 seconds) by the recharge reduction factor in order to figure out how much time a power gets credit for. All long duration powers will recharge in 36 seconds less with one application of AM. I had started the timer when I started casting Phantasm, so taking out the 3 second activation time gives a recharge of 3 minutes 24 seconds. That works out exactly. Thanks.


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Well, per this post/thread

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We’ve decided to decrease the effectiveness of the Hamidon Enhancements because, quite simply, the risk didn’t match the reward. Level 50 characters, for instance, could attack Hamidon with impunity because there were not any penalties for being defeated. Debt meant nothing to a level 50. The only risk was perhaps being defeated and sent to a hospital before the Enhancement was rewarded (an unlikely situation given rez inspirations and powers). At the same time, the Hamidon Enhancements provided such an enormous boost that it became quite difficult to a balance in an endgame system. With this reduction, Hamidon Enhancements remain better than any “normal” Enhancement; they provide a SO level % boost two multiple attributes.

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I shall start on Version 2.0 of my Guide to Hamidon Enhancements as I have some bad info and now outdated info if this goes Live


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Hurrah! Thankyee ;D makes me happy!
-LP


 

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I tested new Centrioles (Dam/Range) and Microfilament (Travel/End) last night, while working on my big Movement guide. The Range is now +20% just like an SO, but so is the Movement. That's right, a Running, Jumping, or Flight Speed SO is +33.3%, but the HO is +20%. (If no one ever mentioned it, the Travel/END HO does increase Jumping speed.) I guess it kinda makes sense, since the HO used to provide a +30% Movement bonus. It used to be right about the same as an SO-1. Now it's even worse than an SO-3. It takes 3 new HOs to cap Super Speed at 50, and 4 for Super Jump. You can't cap Fly even with 6 new HOs.

Since you only get a single bonus from any HO in Teleport, you should NOT slot any HOs in Teleport. In fact you should not slot ANY power that only gets a single bonus from an HO. You're better off with an SO+.


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It's crazy to think that just one simple number change means all the difference but it happens.

Anywho, when I get home tonight, I'll get Version 2 of my guide started just in case these changes make it to Live and fix up any mis-information or whatever as I said earlier


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Make sure you emphasize the following...

If a power only benefits from one of the two or three things enhanced by an HO, you're better off slotting an SO+. HOs are only good for powers which can use at least 2 of the HO's bonuses. There are now a lot of powers that should never have HOs.


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Very true. I will make sure that part is included at least. Unless they make Hami drop 53 HO's in the future which at this point I doubt.........

I know of the combining coming down the road which probably will force me to do a version 2.1 then maybe 2.2 if he starts dropping 53s considering the mitos will now drop better enhancements then Hami does sometimes


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Make sure you emphasize the following...

If a power only benefits from one of the two or three things enhanced by an HO, you're better off slotting an SO+. HOs are only good for powers which can use at least 2 of the HO's bonuses. There are now a lot of powers that should never have HOs.

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Very true indeed.......but also actually adds to, and emphasizes, the notion of the "Haves and Have Nots" IMO.


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Hmm, I was unaware that the 3 parts ones actually came from fighting the mitochondria? Is this true? I've only done the raid a few times and have only been there for the actual killing of Hamidon.

-MT


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The only enhancements the mito's give are lvl 53 SOs. Hamidon drops a random enhancement of either 2 parts or 3 parts.

Sorry everyone for not making version 2 of my guide yet, I'll get to it tonight since I have tomorrow off


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Nope. The Mito drops are better than the Hami drops now because they're level 53 SOs. For a single attribute, you're better off with a 53 SO than a 50 HO. Given the effort and reward, going on a Hami raid just isn't worth my time.

Ya know, the devs always say the risk should equal the reward. For a level 50 char, nothing in the game is a risk, since debt means nothing at 50. I guess that means there should be no reward for playing a level 50 char.


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Well, Jack is now saying that there will be "rewards" for playing level 50s.....they just made the change before the rewards were ready because they wanted everyone upset now, rather than later.

Not sure if I buy it, or if I agree with the decision if it is true, but it is not going to make me quit. Not really going to make me want to raid Hami more than one time a week, until the code to let them ++ goes live.

Good luck on the new Guide (to the guide maker) it will be needed!

Regs,

muffinlad


 

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Damnit,t he devs put the TF Exemplar fix on Test. I might have to hold off til tomorrow on it since its something im hyped up for >_<


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Take your time man. You will probably want to wait until the nerf actually goes live before you post anything.


 

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Take your time man. You will probably want to wait until the nerf actually goes live before you post anything.

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o_O The change has been live for about a week or so


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Hey, I just wanted to know a few things.

First: Can HOs be stacked?

Second: Would 6-slotted Dam/Ran or Dam/Acc be better for an assault bot (Villains, mastermind AT, Robotics)

Third: The new inventions enhances give extra bonuses when you equip them as a "set". If you could manage to make 6 of the highest level and power Damage invention enhances, and slotted them all on one power, would it be more powerful than one slotted with 6 HOs instead?

I dont actually have a level 50 yet (highest is level 28), but I like to plan ahead


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Hmmm... just noticed last post before mine was several years ago... lol.


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