So What is Plan Z?

It's amusing that he thinks he can judge other's competence while assuming that we can't judge his.

Support ticket. For a corporate acquisition.

It's the joke that keeps on giving.

FWIW, I've asked a few of the entrepreneurial CEO's I've worked with (who've started and sold companies with a total value in the billions). None of them think the story makes sense. So I don't know who these "one or two" other people are, but if they actually think this is a valid way to proceed, they're clearly incompetent as well.

The total MMO subs data as provided doesn't seem to prove anything relative to CoX's subs. Given that more and more MMOs have been cropping up year by year (with F2P becoming more common as well) those stats could be made up largely of games with 50K players or less.

My use of the word "criticisms" was being kind.

LOL. You haven't presented your methodology and anyone can spot obvious flaws. I will point out your valuation numbers are off the wall based purely on revenue. 500k is an insane low number as even with 1/5th the subscriber base pre announcement it would earn it back in 6 months without even being able to release I24 and the new superpack

What you have is more and more people adopting MMOs as their entertainment choice. You look at the charts on MMOdata.net and you will see there are games that grew with the phenomenon and those that failed.

Given that you keep slanting the story as the support ticket was the actual means used to attempt such I'm sure that's exactly the conclusion they would have reached. A lie of omission is still a lie. I also take it you are NOT one of those alleged CEOs. I suspect that you are more of an amusing pet that brings some funny stories to them to laugh at and not one of them would even consider the possibility of you running any of those supposed billion dollar business. You might own a few shares of common stock, but I doubt it goes much deeper than that.

Just to point out the obvious.

He was attacking your "FACTS", that you brought to the discussion. You are attacking him personally, with completely fabricated material that you have no way of knowing one way or an other.

At the very least you have branded yourself a liar with that post.

Hey, he was going to show his true colors eventually. I'm surprised it took this long. The truly funny part is he thinks I'm insecure enough to care if he calls me names. Someone of his alleged experience really ought to know better.

You gave a chart without citing sources. I used the simple expedient at the time of using one petition's numbers. Not a perfect source, but it still represented an strong player base with an active interest. How many of those were VIP vs F2P would have been difficult to evaluate. After that was the simple math of 15*number + maybe 1/4 of that actually using the store significantly each month. I used a figure of 10 for that monthly store number. Multiply by 12. That produces an annual gross income of 5.25 million a year. When I gave my estimate I definitely stated that it was a "rough" estimate. That means based on limited information. I notice you omitted store revenues.

500k was my valuation of the IP NOW. Any company that tried to buy it at this time is going to have to hire new staff or hope the re-hire the previous one. Deal with the negative publicity this fiasco has caused and a myriad of legal issues. The game engine may have licensing issues and might require a complete rewrite. That's NRE - Non-Recoverable cost of Engineering. That's right, that cost is never recovered. The question would there be enough Return On Investment (ROI) to justify purchasing the IP in its current state at a higher price. 500k was generous.

Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

Nope. I described specifically what I did and was able to provide specific documentation support the events claimed. I have a "paper trail". Your statement of "completely fabricated material" is not supportable against prevailing evidence.
I avoided attacking him personally even though he continued to chase my postings and doing that very thing. My normal pattern is to try to answer even apparent troll with courteous responses. But I have my limits. My last reply was certainly more ad hominem, but I was careful to identify it as speculative and a matter of subject personal opinion and not as established fact, but the existence of that opinion and its specific nature is objectively true. I'll leave the rest of your sophomoric claims alone. They are not worth the attention of any intelligent conversation.

What is more amusing is that your lack of command over basic word meaning and sentence structure in the American English language has led you to the overdrawn conclusion that you were actually called any names at all. If I do start calling you names there won't be any confusion about it.

That's a good question. And if it wasn't nearly 4AM here with me becoming very tired and cranky I'd try to find out. Right now I find myself actually feeding the trolls Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dumber.

When I started on the internet a troll wasn't someone you disagreed with. Troll was a term for someone who exploited others sympathies and lied to them for personal gain or amusement. Your part in plan Z seems to fit that definition to a T. Your reaction to people confronting you about the B.S. you are spouting just confirms the assessment

Either way, it's pretty telling you are so insecure that you react so badly to people who disagree with you.

The first chart has been widely circulated on these boards you can recreate it yourself by plugging the numbers into Excel. That you don't recognize it for what it is speaks volumes. The second chart is from MMOdata.net.


The fact that you argue not about the data or its validity but rather nitpick it's presentation is all anyone needs to realize you are pushing snake oil.

Simple Expedient and about as accurate as throwing a dart at a board.

If the game had less people return than signed the petition it would have earned 500k in less than 3 months. Your valuation was a token that would constitute ncsoft making a gift of the property.

Well said.

NRE = Non RECURRING Engineering. Of course it's recoverable, assuming sales for that effort are large enough to support it. Most companies even capitalize this expense and amortize it over the life of the project. You don't seem to understand the basics of business finance for software companies the way you keep mis-construing standards of business communication. Were you self-educated?

When taken in context of the realities of revenue recognition rules, however, I think most of the numbers out there regarding actual revenue and operational costs for the game are way, way off.

So you want us to stop having fun ruining the fun of others trying to ruin our fun?

Head = asplode.

I don't know, are you in the camp who doesn't want anyone to ruin your blissful (and largely self-fabricated) hopefulness, or the camp that think hope is stupid and goes out of their way to crush it wherever they can?

What I want is to still have a CoH to play on December 1st. Baring that, it'd be nice not to loathe the forums for the last few days we have left. You have an entire lifetime of bickering left in you, if that's your jolly. Knock yourself out once they pull the plug.

Plan Z on its own is a harmless pipedream. Plan Z plus either delusional or amoral people, angling for personal advantage is something else entirely.

It was bad enough seeing the various communities in CoH be lead on and exploited over the years. (Remember this one ? PvP is very important to us and we will be making continuous improvements.) Now it is far worse.

But I've only got 17 days left to post on these forums. So is your enjoyment of using the forums somehow more important than mine?

So NOW Plan Z is a Nemesis plot to lead on and exploit people?

Plan Z (and I will be really disappointed if it doesn't involve breaking into a secret military research facility in Nevada and steal a zombie virus so they can release it on the world) is probably not going to destroy the world. Unless, of course, it really is a zombie apocalypse.

Case in point: this thread started as an innocent question about what some people intend to do once the game shuts down. Then it degraded into a discussion about how people who hope to do something after CoH is dead are stupid, and how anyone who think those people are stupid are soul crushing jerks.

Surprisingly, it went downhill from there.

Probably not by you but you aren't making all kinds of claims that aren't able to be substantiated.

No but from the way it's going expect to see them discover they need more than volunteers and all of sudden they will be raising money. At which point it will be a simple con of overly trusting people that were sad about losing something dear to them.