Rumor: NCSoft banning CoH accounts for negative comments

JKedan · 10-29-2012 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Bad_Influence

I consider an argument to be over when the other half trots out the ad-hominem insults; its like a non-Hitler version of Godwin's Law. You take today's prize, 'ave a nice day.

Sooo, it's not over when you trot out the ad hominem, only when other people do it. Yay double standards!

JKedan · 10-29-2012 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark_Respite

Re: the ArenaNet/NCsoft discussion...

I interviewed at ArenaNet about three weeks ago, and I brought up the closure of Paragon Studios. My question to the interviewing team was, "How do you know this won't happen to you? I mean, it WAS kind of abrupt, and it doesn't say much about job security."

I can't remember the exact wording, but if I recall correctly, while NCsoft owns the property of Guild Wars (and Guild Wars 2), they do NOT own ArenaNet. So while NCsoft could one day shut down Guild Wars, they can't close the studio - and ArenaNet has the option to buy the game (and presumably all it entails) away from NCsoft should it happen. How they'd raise the funds, I don't know, but I gather they've been in consistent contact with NCsoft about it as an option.

Unlike the case with Paragon, where NCsoft owned both, and shut them both down simultaneously.

(And no, I didn't get the job - I did manage a damn good interview, but they told me at the time I was more than overqualified for the job, and they wished they had a position where I could REALLY use my strengths. Oh, well.)

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Pebblebrook · 10-29-2012 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Bad_Influence

So..... BoA and Netflix pulling anti-customer stunts DID NOT result in huge outrage and the loss of a lot of cash for them?

Those situations are different in that the company hadn't already anticipated losing all those customers.

And i think the over 2 million netflix users estimated to cancel their subs had more to do with netflix's reversal.

Forbin_Project · 10-29-2012 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Bad_Influence

If backlash is so meaningless, do tell why NCSoft is banning accounts over it. This should be good.

Who the hell has been banned over this? The ONLY person we know that's been banned for certain was the idiot that had his account closed because he filed a charge back on his aunts credit card, and we assume ended up losing that second account as well because he used an alternate account to get around being banned.

Neither of which have anything directly to do with what NCSoft is being accused of.

1 idiot getting banned for credit card fraud and gross stupidity doesn't equate to a NCSoft implementing a campaign to silence negative comments.

Father Xmas · 10-29-2012 11:26 AM

Like I said, there was that one guy just after the closing announcement that crosspost on every board, simply repeating the same links that TonyV had with an extra large savecoh sig graphic. When asked to refrain he got 8 ways indignant and decried that those people were traitors. If this was real life he would have been one asking for an inquisition to route out those who aren't of the "true faith".

Then one day all his posts vanished and he was never heard of again.

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FourSpeed · 10-29-2012 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project

I heard from a friend, that knows a guy, who has a sister that dates a guy who knows a girl, that works with a friend who overheard a conversation between two guys, and one said that said his wife's mother spoke with a colleague who may or may not work in an industry that is remotely connected to someone that works for a subsidiary of NCSoft that read an internal corporate email that supposedly, but can't be confirmed, mentions that everyones accounts at CoH will be banned on Nov 30th.

Swear to god.

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Smedley_Prime · 10-29-2012 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Xieveral

If you are one that has been vocal about the game closure via social networking, be careful with your personal information and mindful in how you express your displeasure.

According to a poster from the SaveCoH facebook group, they were banned from the game for what NCSoft deemed "negative" commentary on the English facebook page.

Again, take this as rumor. The suspension may be unrelated to the comment, but it is better to be safe than sorry.

I heard that NCSoft will not just ban you from the game if you badmouth them on line, they'll shut off your electricity. They've done this to over 300,000 people already today.

Forbin_Project · 10-29-2012 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Father Xmas

Like I said, there was that one guy just after the closing announcement that crosspost on every board, simply repeating the same links that TonyV had with an extra large savecoh sig graphic. When asked to refrain he got 8 ways indignant and decried that those people were traitors. If this was real life he would have been one asking for an inquisition to route out those who aren't of the "true faith".

Then one day all his posts vanished and he was never heard of again.

Thanks for that info. I assume that when you say on every board you mean on our forums? If so we have two people that got banned for being stupid on our forums. Not because of what they were posting on social networks like the OP's rumor suggests.

And two people getting banned over a two month period don't constitute a pattern of behaviour from NCSoft.

Codewalker · 10-29-2012 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project

And two people getting banned over a two month period don't constitute a pattern of behaviour from NCSoft.

And I'm not convinced that the one who posted about it on Facebook was really banned, or if they were that it was because of FB posts. Smells like a stunt to try and get publicity / sympathy to me.

I have no doubt that the person who initiated a chargeback got banned though. But they were at least up front about exactly what they did, even if they didn't seem to understand why it was a problem.

Father Xmas · 10-29-2012 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project

Thanks for that info. I assume that when you say on every board you mean on our forums? If so we have two people that got banned for being stupid on our forums. Not because of what they were posting on social networks like the OP's rumor suggests.

And two people getting banned over a two month period don't constitute a pattern of behaviour from NCSoft.

Yes, spamming every board here. And I agree, it's a few overly zealous people who got hit with a ban hammer because they refuse to restrain their "enthusiasm" or did something monumentally stupid.

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Forbin_Project · 10-29-2012 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Codewalker

And I'm not convinced that the one who posted about it on Facebook was really banned, or if they were that it was because of FB posts. Smells like a stunt to try and get publicity / sympathy to me.

Even if he was he could simply be the one guy that got banned for spamming the boards here, not for what was said on some social network. In my experience it's rare to find an individual that admits their own fault for getting banned.

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I have no doubt that the person who initiated a chargeback got banned though. But they were at least up front about exactly what they did, even if they didn't seem to understand why it was a problem.

Well we know his main account was banned for making the charge back. That's standard policy. But all we know for certain about the second account is that the thread was deleted. We're assuming because he hasn't posted again that that account was banned as well. It's possible he just stopped posting because he couldn't cope with being told NCSoft was well within their rights to ban him for making the charge back.

Ironblade · 10-30-2012 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project

1 idiot getting banned for credit card fraud and gross stupidity doesn't equate to a NCSoft implementing a campaign to silence negative comments.

Let's be generous. It may simply have been anger and/or stupidity, rather than actual attempted fraud.

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Originally Posted by Father Xmas

Then one day all his posts vanished and he was never heard of again.

You didn't see nuthin'. That was NOT a body in that rug. You got that?

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Originally Posted by Smedley_Prime

I heard that NCSoft will not just ban you from the game if you badmouth them on line, they'll shut off your electricity. They've done this to over 300,000 people already today.

I think it's more like 800,000 people in New York State alone that got their power shut off by NCSoft yesterday. It's an outrage!

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Evil_Legacy · 10-30-2012 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ironblade

Let's be generous. It may simply have been anger and/or stupidity, rather than actual attempted fraud.

yeah.

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Forbin_Project · 10-30-2012 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Ironblade

Let's be generous. It may simply have been anger and/or stupidity, rather than actual attempted fraud.

The way he got defensive and abusive rather than answering simple questions

Did his aunt pay for the sub on her CC?

If so did his aunt get the refund and not notice it?

If his aunt paid for the sub was she aware he filed for a charge back?

made it clear to all but a couple people that he attempted fraud.

There was also his admission in his third or fourth post that he filed the charge back before refunds were even mentioned because he wanted a larger refund than he assumed was going to be issued.

Father Xmas · 10-30-2012 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project

The way he got defensive and abusive rather than answering simple questions

Did his aunt pay for the sub on her CC?

If so did his aunt get the refund and not notice it?

If his aunt paid for the sub was she aware he filed for a charge back?

made it clear to all but a couple people that he attempted fraud.

There was also his admission in his third or fourth post that he filed the charge back before refunds were even mentioned because he wanted a larger refund than he assumed was going to be issued.

People tend to get defensive when it's pointed out that what they did was stupid. They may even privately agree in retrospect but publicly they are going to try to build some kind of plausible explanation as to why their action didn't seem stupid at the time.

I think his original explanation was that after three weeks of no info about refunds, coupled with all the "NCSoft is EBIL" talk, he panicked. He was also ignorant about what happens to an account the requested a charge back. Stories from players who said their SO didn't recognize the charge, disputed it and now their account got locked were few and far between so that's not surprising.

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Forbin_Project · 10-31-2012 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Father Xmas

People tend to get defensive when it's pointed out that what they did was stupid. They may even privately agree in retrospect but publicly they are going to try to build some kind of plausible explanation as to why their action didn't seem stupid at the time.

I think his original explanation was that after three weeks of no info about refunds, coupled with all the "NCSoft is EBIL" talk, he panicked. He was also ignorant about what happens to an account the requested a charge back. Stories from players who said their SO didn't recognize the charge, disputed it and now their account got locked were few and far between so that's not surprising.

"Yeah, yeah, patience. How long will that take?"

He didn't wait three weeks. When asked when he filed the charge back he stated filed the charge back right after the shutdown announcement was made. He was quite clear on that.

I quoted his posts where he made that clear in responses to his one or two supporters.

Father Xmas · 10-31-2012 11:11 AM

Well in that case stupid is what stupid does.

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Minotaur · 10-31-2012 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by I Burnt The Toast

Not everyone thinks NCSoft is evil for closing CoH. Some of us actually realize it was a simple business decision...that actually makes sense when you look at it from a non-emotional "OMG they are murdering our game" viewpoint.

All they had to do was communicate to anywhere close to the same level as the part of NCSoft we were used to dealing with (Paragon Studios) would have done. I think much of the anger was not about what was done, but about how it was done (instadisbanding is not cool).

A little more transparency about why they were unwilling to sell the IP even if it was "nobody offered us close to what it was worth as a tax loss" would also have earned them some credit.

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Coyote_Seven · 10-31-2012 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project

My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who heard that everyone's accounts at CoH will be banned on Nov 30th.

I guess it's pretty serious.

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Smedley_Prime · 10-31-2012 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ironblade

I think it's more like 800,000 people in New York State alone that got their power shut off by NCSoft yesterday. It's an outrage!

Yeah, the number went way up after my first comment. I think it was eventually 3 million without power or something like that.