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Angry_Angel,
Posted on: 2012-09-18 13:08 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Originally Posted by Ironik
Firefall has Orson Scott Card writing for it. Automatic fail. Firefail.
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Originally Posted by Father Xmas
I take it that Ironik isn't thrilled over OSC's politics/beliefs.
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Originally Posted by Another_Fan
Always fun to see which side truly believes in free speech and tolerance
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Originally Posted by Another_Fan
Always fun to see which side truly believes in free speech and tolerance
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bah. nevermind.
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Originally Posted by Turjan
Well, as to that, all I can say is if you regard Nebula Award winning novels such as "Ender's Game" to be 'fail' then I only wish I had a writing career with that level of fail in it!
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Originally Posted by Ironik
It's pretty clear the DCUO devs had no connection to superheroes the way CoH's did and do. They spent at least $50 million making DCUO and the game is basically -- at its heart -- merely a generic fantasy game with different skins. Unsurprisingly, it seems most of the devs were from fantasy MMOs, such as lead dev Chris Cao who came from EverQuest. How you spend that much money. miss your deadlines and have a beta that abbreviated and still turn out a lame game is beyond me.
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Originally Posted by Turjan
Well, as to that, all I can say is if you regard Nebula Award winning novels such as "Ender's Game" to be 'fail' then I only wish I had a writing career with that level of fail in it!
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Originally Posted by Another_Fan
Always fun to see which side truly believes in free speech and tolerance
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Originally Posted by Ironik
It's pretty clear the DCUO devs had no connection to superheroes the way CoH's did and do. They spent at least $50 million making DCUO and the game is basically -- at its heart -- merely a generic fantasy game with different skins. Unsurprisingly, it seems most of the devs were from fantasy MMOs, such as lead dev Chris Cao who came from EverQuest.
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| The backstory was more attractive to me than the all-singing, all-dancing Magic Wishing Well this game was turned into, what with a time-travelling Lex Luthor using advanced tech to turn millions of regular folks into superhumans... even if it was far too limiting for original concepts. |
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
As someone who has criticized COH heavily for what I perceive as generic fantasy elements in its design that have displaced the comic book/super hero tropes that should have been in mind instead, I don't get that impression from DCUO at all.
In my analysis, if any one thing is the problem with DCUO's devs is that they seem to come from a console oriented way of thinking. The game was designed to be a console title and reflects that. I see some of that in CO too. |
| I am less enthusiastic about the backstory and origin of the player character's power in DCUO. As I interpret it, the player character's power comes from, essentially, mechanical dust mites sent by Brainiac that fed off of the Justice League's skin cells. We are, quite literally, their castoff waste. That is several orders worse than anything the Well did in this game, in my opinion.. |
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Originally Posted by Ironik
I'm all for free speech. Free speech includes the right to be wrong.
It also means I get to disagree with someone who is being a bigot. I believe in equality for everyone. No exceptions. Card believes in the violent overthrow of a government that allows gay marriage. I hope that clears up who is on the side of truth, justice and the American way. |
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Originally Posted by Ironik
item degradation and being forced to earn and spend money to buy/upgrade/repair said items.
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I think the Exobytes (alien robot mite things) were put in to explain why there were suddenly thousands of new superheroes and villains in the DC world.
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Originally Posted by Anti_Proton
...where I can be the hero! Is that too much to ask?
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Originally Posted by savagedeacon_NA
If you like single player games you can try : "Batman Arkam Asylum" and/or "Batman:Arkam city", there not only MMOG around
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And you can't be Batman. :P
But yeah, DCUO and Champions aren't the massive piles of dung they are represented as, nor are they perfect(and neither is City) I found DCUO interesting, I felt it's combat was heading in the right direction(if anything it headed to far in that direction) it's art style was fantastic, It's costume and powers system was far too limited. I loved being able to change my individual costume parts on the fly, though. Being able to "put down" my hood amused me to no end. since "console" isn't a dirty word for me, I've enjoyed it hear and there. Not enough depth to it's character creation was my biggest issue.
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Originally Posted by Another_Fan
Always fun to see which side truly believes in free speech and tolerance
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To me, DCUO is an example of unfulfilled potential. I like (most of) the core ideas of the game, there are just some systems that are really badly implemented. Stuff we commented on in beta and was (predictably) told "hey, it's beta!", but they are still there. It's a game that could have been really good if it had been given the funds to evolve, but it seems that really never happened (and then there was the whole SOE hacking scandal that had the game unavailable for months. That can't have helped any).
As for CO... I don't know. I want to like it. And I did, originally, like it enough to go for the lifetime sub. But there's just something about that Cryptic engine that doesn't jive with me. I can't put a finger on it, exactly, but the basic gameplay just always had this intangible sense of 'something isn't right' about it (I had the same problem with STO ground missions, which is why I credit it more to an issue with the engine than with CO itself).
For for me, there was never really a realistic alternative to City of Heroes. And I'd love to see a sequel take off. There's certainly room for another good superhero MMO.
DCUO had numerous issues but in addition to everything else, is just paper-cut to death by dozens of small things that make it very frustrating. Starting with a 3 color limit for an entire costume.
But the most significant flaw in DCUO may be technical. From what I understand, the developers never could actually make the high speed combat flow once lag is taken into account. So, they put part of the responsbility for tracking animation completion in the game client. The issue with that should be obvious. The game was plagued with massive exploits in PVP in particular that allowed "animation cancelling" to generate dozens of hits on an enemy within the animation time of a single attack.
Video of a really egregious example: http://youtu.be/Fl_S12yHFOM
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
I am less enthusiastic about the backstory and origin of the player character's power in DCUO. As I interpret it, the player character's power comes from, essentially, mechanical dust mites sent by Brainiac that fed off of the Justice League's skin cells. We are, quite literally, their castoff waste. That is several orders worse than anything the Well did in this game, in my opinion.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
What bothers me the most is the story seems to assume my character was a regular Earth human up until magic dust mites from the future gave him or her powers and changed him. It's not the origin of the powers that bugs me, it's the implied backstory that is severely limiting. It's the same problem I hav with the Secret World and its magic bees that people seem to keep swallowing in their sleep.
Almost none of the characters I have in City of Heroes right now started out human for any length of time in their lives, and the ones that do didn't spend their lives before gaining powers in this timeline or on this planet. Force my hand in this and I simply walk away. |
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Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex
DCUO is sort of the same way. DCUO really has no reason to assume any backstory though, IMO, where for TSW I think it's much more appropriate (that game is very setting dependant).
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Originally Posted by Tenzhi
That's a great superhero game where Batman can be the hero.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
What bothers me the most is the story seems to assume my character was a regular Earth human up until magic dust mites from the future gave him or her powers and changed him. It's not the origin of the powers that bugs me, it's the implied backstory that is severely limiting. It's the same problem I hav with the Secret World and its magic bees that people seem to keep swallowing in their sleep.
Almost none of the characters I have in City of Heroes right now started out human for any length of time in their lives, and the ones that do didn't spend their lives before gaining powers in this timeline or on this planet. Force my hand in this and I simply walk away. |
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Originally Posted by savagedeacon_NA
And a lot of guys beside Wayne has donned the mantle of the bat: Dick Grayson , Jean Paul Valley, the whole Batman inc. (the Bruce Wayne proget to give every country its Batman) why you should not be the next one? Oh yes there were also a Batman or twenty in CoH before they fell under the attack of the supervillain called Copyright Infringement
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