Mission Architect - CoH killer?


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Originally Posted by Cobra_Man View Post
100% correct.

This is a forum. I'm posting my assumptions and beliefs - not anyone else's.

I believe that the introduction of AE and the subsequent ramifications caused a backlash and a player loss/revenue drop that effectively torpedoed this game below the waterline.

Yes there certainly were other factors that undoubtedly contributed to this game's sudden drop in revenue, but I believe that AE caused an ungodly amount of damage to the game that was simply unnecessary and unforeseen but sadly irreversible.

It's my belief only, and whilst I fully understand and respect that others might not share that belief - it doesn't make me wrong.
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And this is it, all we are left with is the trolls and their troll topics....Brilliant.


The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.

 

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Originally Posted by Cobra_Man View Post
100% correct.

This is a forum. I'm posting my assumptions and beliefs - not anyone else's.

I believe that the introduction of AE and the subsequent ramifications caused a backlash and a player loss/revenue drop that effectively torpedoed this game below the waterline.

Yes there certainly were other factors that undoubtedly contributed to this game's sudden drop in revenue, but I believe that AE caused an ungodly amount of damage to the game that was simply unnecessary and unforeseen but sadly irreversible.

It's my belief only, and whilst I fully understand and respect that others might not share that belief - it doesn't make me wrong.
I have no strong feelings one way another about AE "killing" CoH or not, so as a friend of mine would say "I have no dog in this hunt".

I would, however, like to point out that your belief doesn't make you right either.


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And this is it, all we are left with is the trolls and their troll topics....Brilliant.
Don't worry. We still have the people complaining about trolls and troll topics.


 

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Don't worry. We still have the people complaining about trolls and troll topics.
And the axe grinding on old topics / feuds as well as the joys of typing in swear words at each other because the mods no longer have the resources to keep up.


 

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Don't worry. We still have the people complaining about trolls and troll topics.
And you adding loads of insight to every discussion....


The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.

 

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And you adding loads of insight to every discussion....
Still beats the hell out of the drivel that you've been posting here......

I can assume by your posts that you've not actually bothered to read the content of this thread .

If you had, you would have seen arguments for and against the thread title.

What you would not have seen was anyone trolling, or looking to do anything of the sort.


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Well I typed out a really long reply for a diff. thread about "what killed CoH?" so...here's what was going to be in that....


But for a serious reply I'll chime in with a few thoughts.


* No "end-game" content...ie. nothing for lvl 50s to do. Back 4-5 years ago is when CoH was at the peak I guess...most of the people in my SG left for WoW. Why? Because there "was nothing to do" on their lvl 50 toon. Exemp and play with friends? That lasted a bit but...some people want/like to play 1 (or 2) toons and that's it. Doing Hamidon over and over (once it was found out how to defeat him) didn't satisfy them.

By the time we got raids/iTrials, it was too late, not enough people that really wanted to do them (and itrials came out too far and sparse).

*PvP. Yes, I'm one that never really cared for PvP. A bunch of people using SS/SJ and bouncing around kiting others and killing 'em. That's all I ever saw. Boooring (probably cause I was always playing a support toon which means I die first (targeted) in pvp fights ).

I've said it before that if they would have not done any PvP changes in i13 but added the ability to do the different builds for toons it might have been different. That way I wouldn't have to sacrifice my cool PvE build for some PvP action. I could do have my PvE and my PvP build and not have to worry (too much) about losing powers that I like in PvE.

I've also said there should be more PvE in PvP. Capture the flag, King of the Hill...something other than, "beat this guy up before he kills you." Recluse's Victory tried that I guess...but like one person said, they should have limited the zone to x players. So that after, let's say, 20 people are in RV, RV2 gets created.

Also needed better rewards for RV/pvp zones. Why should some random hero care if heroes are winning in RV? If he's not into pvp at all then he has no reason to "help the heroes!"

Maybe add some sort of buff (double xp, inf or ...who knows...something) that would last x amount of time for whatever side that 'won' in RV (or in a capture the flag type of thing).

I also like the idea that someone said about the whole, "do x faster than the villains (or heroes)." Like take out a building (saving it or burning it) and see who/which team can get the fastest time. *shrugs*



*Zone events. While yes, the Halloween (the one with the banners in the zones) was kind of cool...things like that should have been put in the back burner. Too many negatives for one positive (more shiny badges). They killed any missions in that zone where you had to hunt for mobs (*waves to Numina*) and they took too many people, usually, to complete; once the "badgers" got all of the badges, no one really did the events again.

No, adding a "do x event 5, 10, 15, x times" badge would not have been a good idea. Some other reward would have been nice (again maybe double xp or..who knows...something).



*Old content. Yes they were touching up stuff here and there but, again, "too little, too late." You could see the newer zones (and powersets/etc) being awesome and really finding out how to do a good zone. But with all that being said, the old zones were...ugh...blue side had too many of 'em and a few could have been touched up a long time ago.

Oh and Atlas Park should have been nuked and not Galaxy City! (EI's home was GC!)



I'll throw AE in to old content too instead of a separate topic. When it came out, and for the next month or so, it seemed that was the only thing going on. I log in and "everyone" was at AE (yes, not everyone...but most of them)...and not doing actual 'team' stuff... I know that had a bad taste in most players mouths that I played with.



*No real marketing for the game. It's been said to death but.....*shrugs* It seems like there could have been more done to market the game.


* VIP only server. I, at first, was glad that there was going to be a VIP only server when Freedom was going to launch but...thinking about it, I don't think there should have been a VIP only server at all. Just fractured the game/community more I think.



* Needed to work on cross-server teaming. iTrials are great (teaming in general) but when you can't get enough for a Lambda/MoM, etc....yeah... This might have been nice for cross-server pvp'ing too.



* Lots of features that didn't get put in. Sure we were getting new features/content and 99% of the time it was great but...there are quite a few features that I would have loved get into the game.

For instance, inviting your own toons to your SG (or making the SG allow/invite your global toon/acct). Just one thing like that would have been nice (especially when "no one is on" to invite you to your own SG (granted free accounts help with this but still).




Overall, I think the 'death' is that we had such high hopes for a great MMO but the game was a "small budget" type of MMO...so we couldn't get the nice stuff (better graphics, etc...). Oh well...


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And the axe grinding on old topics / feuds as well as the joys of typing in swear words at each other because the mods no longer have the resources to keep up.
F.ucking right.

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And you adding loads of insight to every discussion....
Hey, I calls it like I sees it. So calm down.


 

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Originally Posted by Cobra_Man View Post
Still beats the hell out of the drivel that you've been posting here......

I can assume by your posts that you've not actually bothered to read the content of this thread .

If you had, you would have seen arguments for and against the thread title.

What you would not have seen was anyone trolling, or looking to do anything of the sort.
The drivel is all the stupid axe grinding disguised as speculation when the devs and NC SOFT already said the project they were working on was not in the same direction as NC SOFT wanted to go. Anything other than that is the same axe grinding troll drivel that was posted here before the announcement .


The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.

 

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Originally Posted by Xzero45 View Post
F.ucking right.

Hey, I calls it like I sees it. So calm down.
Must be that mirror effect again.


The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.

 

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The drivel is all the stupid axe grinding disguised as speculation when the devs and NC SOFT already said the project they were working on was not in the same direction as NC SOFT wanted to go.
I am sorry but you have to realize that doesn't compute.

If that is the case you drop the secret project, you don't destroy an asset that would be conservatively valued at 10-20 million dollars


 

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I am sorry but you have to realize that doesn't compute.

If that is the case you drop the secret project, you don't destroy an asset that would be conservatively valued at 10-20 million dollars
The "project they were working on" that he's referring to is CoH, i believe.


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I am sorry but you have to realize that doesn't compute.

If that is the case you drop the secret project, you don't destroy an asset that would be conservatively valued at 10-20 million dollars
That depends on how "they" view it. They may view it as a write off. In that case is is the only thing that does compute.


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That depends on how "they" view it. They may view it as a write off. In that case is is the only thing that does compute.
You don't write things off unless what you save in tax payments is considerably greater than the actual value of what you are writing off.

Here is a very simple example.
1. You buy a piece of modern art as speculation at a low price
2. Your "Art" doesn't appreciate over time
3. You find a friendly museum that you donate the "art" to make a regular donation and they favorably value your "art" for you
4. You take the museums valuation of your art as your deduction
5. The museum places your art in their cellar


The only way taking a write off for CoH works is if they can get an insane valuation for it.


 

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You don't write things off unless what you save in tax payments is considerably greater than the actual value of what you are writing off.

Here is a very simple example.
1. You buy a piece of modern art as speculation at a low price
2. Your "Art" doesn't appreciate over time
3. You find a friendly museum that you donate the "art" to make a regular donation and they favorably value your "art" for you
4. You take the museums valuation of your art as your deduction
5. The museum places your art in their cellar


The only way taking a write off for CoH works is if they can get an insane valuation for it.
I am not a tax guy, but I do know that corporations get insane tax breaks for things that are not the norm. For all we know they could be able to write off not just COH, but the secret project, Paragon studios and all the costs related to it for the years they were working on it.

In the end, someone in the know and with power made the decision to close things down. Generally, they don't get to that position by just taking huge losses with no means of mitigation. Maybe they have in this case, but it seems pretty unlikely due to the rushed nature of the close down.


The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.

 

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I am not a tax guy, but I do know that corporations get insane tax breaks for things that are not the norm. For all we know they could be able to write off not just COH, but the secret project, Paragon studios and all the costs related to it for the years they were working on it.

In the end, someone in the know and with power made the decision to close things down. Generally, they don't get to that position by just taking huge losses with no means of mitigation. Maybe they have in this case, but it seems pretty unlikely due to the rushed nature of the close down.
Not to mention it is getting pretty close to tax season.


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The drivel is all the stupid axe grinding disguised as speculation when the devs and NC SOFT already said the project they were working on was not in the same direction as NC SOFT wanted to go. Anything other than that is the same axe grinding troll drivel that was posted here before the announcement .
'Axe grinding troll drivel'?

The only person trolling here is you. No one else is saying anything that even comes close to it.

Just because you don't like the topic of a thread, doesn't automatically make it a troll thread.

You're coming across here as if you really haven't read the thread - or you've just skimmed over it.

Do yourself a favor and actually read it - or go and troll some other thread elsewhere.


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'Axe grinding troll drivel'?

The only person trolling here is you. No one else is saying anything that even comes close to it.

Just because you don't like the topic of a thread, doesn't automatically make it a troll thread.

You're coming across here as if you really haven't read the thread - or you've just skimmed over it.

Do yourself a favor and actually read it - or go and troll some other thread elsewhere.
Yea, those type of people seem to be out in full force lately.


It seems that many think:

Troll= Any topic/statement they disagree with whether or not they actually read it.


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Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks."
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Yea, those type of people seem to be out in full force lately.


It seems that many think:

Troll= Any topic/statement they disagree with whether or not they actually read it.
Absolutely correct.

I started this thread because I was angry and frustrated over the news that my game was going down the tubes.

It was in no way, shape or form intended to be a troll thread by any stretch of the imagination, and it is annoying when people come along and drop little 'troll' comments - without thinking.

I've seen it in other threads, and it's not something that I thought I'd ever see here.


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Troll= Any topic/statement they disagree with whether or not they actually read it.
I happen to disagree with the thesis of this thread, but that's not why I consider the OP trollish (and I do). I think he's trollish for his adherence to the claim that the AE single-handedly "killed" CoH despite significant evidence presented in the thread to the contrary.

I also think it's notable that some people who often vehemently disagree with one another on this forum collectively disagree with the OP.

Also, very few people responding in the thread have claimed the AE was in no way harmful, yet many of the OP's replies have tried to make it look like everyone who disagrees that it "killed CoH" is saying it was utterly harmless. Again, that sort of argument style, applied repeatedly and aggressively, feels "trollish".

I agree that some folks like to throw out the "troll" moniker any time anyone disagrees with them, and that it might have even happened in this thread. I think applying it in a blanket way to everyone who disagrees with the OP would actually qualify.


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I happen to disagree with the thesis of this thread, but that's not why I consider the OP trollish (and I do). I think he's trollish for his adherence to the claim that the AE single-handedly "killed" CoH despite significant evidence presented in the thread to the contrary.

I also think it's notable that some people who often vehemently disagree with one another on this forum collectively disagree with the OP.

Also, very few people responding in the thread have claimed the AE was in no way harmful, yet many of the OP's replies have tried to make it look like everyone who disagrees that it "killed CoH" is saying it was utterly harmless. Again, that sort of argument style, applied repeatedly and aggressively, feels "trollish".

I agree that some folks like to throw out the "troll" moniker any time anyone disagrees with them, and that it might have even happened in this thread. I think applying it in a blanket way to everyone who disagrees with the OP would actually qualify.
I never said all, but have said many and it wasnt just apllying to this thread alone. More like talking bout many threads.

Then again why cant it be let be that he think that AE killed COH if that is what he believes? It seems to be nothing but a mere opinion. Why is the goal is always to change the opinion and thoughts of others? Why cant it be that a person states they disagree, state why they disagree and let the other peron make up their own mind? When it gets to the point of people trying to force a change of opinion of another regardless of how much evidence then yea, that comes off fas trolling just because they disagree.

Right now I assumed everyone know there is not a single solid hard fact based reason of killed the game and thus any thing that specualtes on what killed it is pure specualtion and a view of the poster. IS he right? Maybe. Is he wrong Maybe? But unless there is one hard fact that definately is the thing that did in COX available then it's all speculation.


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They handled the Mission Architect rollout/fallout as poorly as humanly possible, but anyone who thinks that "killed the game" needs to dramatically re-think the life choices they made which allowed such an idiotic thought to take root in their mind.


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I happen to disagree with the thesis of this thread, but that's not why I consider the OP trollish (and I do). I think he's trollish for his adherence to the claim that the AE single-handedly "killed" CoH despite significant evidence presented in the thread to the contrary.

I also think it's notable that some people who often vehemently disagree with one another on this forum collectively disagree with the OP.

Also, very few people responding in the thread have claimed the AE was in no way harmful, yet many of the OP's replies have tried to make it look like everyone who disagrees that it "killed CoH" is saying it was utterly harmless. Again, that sort of argument style, applied repeatedly and aggressively, feels "trollish".

I agree that some folks like to throw out the "troll" moniker any time anyone disagrees with them, and that it might have even happened in this thread. I think applying it in a blanket way to everyone who disagrees with the OP would actually qualify.

See, this is what I mean.

'Trollish' thrown in on the second line - despite what I've said just a few posts ago.

Here's a hint ....

This is not a troll thread. It never was - it's just turning into one because of posts like yours.

I've also said that I agree that other factors contributed to the sudden drop in revenue. If you take a look a few posts back, you might find it.

Here's a small part of it.....


'Yes there certainly were other factors that undoubtedly contributed to this game's sudden drop in revenue, but I believe that AE caused an ungodly amount of damage to the game that was simply unnecessary and unforeseen but sadly irreversible.'


If you don't agree with what I say, then that's fine. It's your point of view and you're entitled to it.

Just leave out the inane troll comments?


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They handled the Mission Architect rollout/fallout as poorly as humanly possible, but anyone who thinks that "killed the game" needs to dramatically re-think the life choices they made which allowed such an idiotic thought to take root in their mind.



Nice to see you're keeping up the troll theme.

Feel good about it?


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