Revised iReport up on CNN


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Truth, right here. Angry_Citizen, if you're going to throw a temper tantrum about CNN allowing coverage of gaming issues, and if you seriously think that's somehow taking away from coverage on African warlords, you should be complaining to CNN. The community's efforts to get coverage of City of Heroes on CNN, as CNN has done with World of Warcraft, is not a sign that the community needs to "grow up."
World of Warcraft involves about a hundred times more people (at LEAST), constituting a greater share of the population than some US states. The only news articles I've ever seen on World of Warcraft - and this coming from a connoisseur of politics and news the likes most of you have probably never seen - is a story in which the medical community examined the impact and spread of a plague bug. If there are others, I haven't seen them.


Doom.

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This is really doom.

 

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World of Warcraft involves about a hundred times more people (at LEAST), constituting a greater share of the population than some US states. The only news articles I've ever seen on World of Warcraft - and this coming from a connoisseur of politics and news the likes most of you have probably never seen - is a story in which the medical community examined the impact and spread of a plague bug. If there are others, I haven't seen them.
So what? They also cover topics in gaming that don't involve games with a population greater than some U.S. states. Look here, at their TECH page: they have an entire category devoted to "gaming and gadgets." CNN has other resources devoted to covering African warlords; they can afford to talk about the Civilization II player who created a hellish nightmare world by playing the same game for ten years or Diablo III being a broken game along with the uprisings in Syria and bombings in Iraq and Afghanistan. By that metric, an organized effort by an MMO community to make the publishing company consider doing something other than it shutting it down and sitting on the IP is surely just as newsworthy.

Go contact CNN, tell them they need to "grow up" and stop wasting whatever resources you think they're wasting on the "whining and screaming and crying" of "crack addicts desperate for a fix." Your belittling the City of Heroes community for trying to use iReport, to the best of my knowledge, as it was intended by CNN is not going to gain any track with anyone here.


 

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World of Warcraft involves about a hundred times more people (at LEAST), constituting a greater share of the population than some US states. The only news articles I've ever seen on World of Warcraft - and this coming from a connoisseur of politics and news the likes most of you have probably never seen - is a story in which the medical community examined the impact and spread of a plague bug. If there are others, I haven't seen them.
Let's not hold CNN up as purveyors of exclusively big-picture, Earth-shaking topics. They report on a great many things that aren't global issues. In fact, they have a whole section of their website devoted exclusively to such things...and these aren't even user-submitted iReports! CNN, for better or worse, is presumably trying to reflect the people in its audience. Those people have diverse interests. The iReport we're discussing wouldn't belong on CNN's World News page, as others have pointed out.

I submitted previously that the CoH fandom's reaction to NCsoft's decision is a something of a microcosm of contemporary American society. I stand by that assertion: we have, in miniature, a story where a group of people used modern information technology to self-organize and begin espousing a coherent, if somewhat narrow, message. That alone makes it an intriguing story from a journalistic perspective, which is part of why I submitted the story of our struggle as a tip to the thoughtful radio program This American Life.


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I'm guilty of responding to Angry_Citizen but the back and forth arguing is overshadowing the original topic.

I'm sorry, Vengeance_MK2. Congratulations on getting the article vetted, I thought it was nicely done. That should have been the first thing I said in my other post.


 

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C'mon people. Don't allow your threads to be hijacked like this. Angry_Citizen is obviously a troll, or someone with a personality disorder, or both.

For the sake of everything you are trying to accomplish here, let your only response be "Angry_Citizen: Troll: Ignored." And then move on!


 

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Angry_Citizen is obviously... someone with a personality disorder
Well, he did play launch Stalkers.


 

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For the sake of everything you are trying to accomplish here, let your only response be "Angry_Citizen: Troll: Ignored." And then move on!
Normally, I do ignore comments online that seem to be engineered to draw out emotional responses. I chose to reply here, in part, to try to seed other readers of our message board with counterarguments for the points Angry_Citizen raises. There will be those that say "this isn't a story of merit." To a degree--especially when compared with real-world atrocities--they will be right. I would counter that it may not be a story of global merit, but it is definitely a story of interest to the larger world because it sheds light on a great many emerging facets of both modern cyberculture and grassroots activism.

For what it's worth, I don't feel any emotional response at all to the points brought up in this thread; what I've stated here is my simple, reasoned, dispassionate opinion that I've tried to support as best I can.


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C'mon people. Don't allow your threads to be hijacked like this. Angry_Citizen is obviously a troll, or someone with a personality disorder, or both.

For the sake of everything you are trying to accomplish here, let your only response be "Angry_Citizen: Troll: Ignored." And then move on!
Disagree with someone? Call 'em a name and ignore their arguments. If the game ends, then at least your game will end. *thumbs up*


Doom.

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Let's not hold CNN up as purveyors of exclusively big-picture, Earth-shaking topics. They report on a great many things that aren't global issues. In fact, they have a whole section of their website devoted exclusively to such things...and these aren't even user-submitted iReports! CNN, for better or worse, is presumably trying to reflect the people in its audience. Those people have diverse interests. The iReport we're discussing wouldn't belong on CNN's World News page, as others have pointed out.

I submitted previously that the CoH fandom's reaction to NCsoft's decision is a something of a microcosm of contemporary American society. I stand by that assertion: we have, in miniature, a story where a group of people used modern information technology to self-organize and begin espousing a coherent, if somewhat narrow, message. That alone makes it an intriguing story from a journalistic perspective, which is part of why I submitted the story of our struggle as a tip to the thoughtful radio program This American Life.
*shrug* If it stays in gaming central, that's fine then. I'll withdraw my criticism on the foundation that I was unaware of the gaming section - I tend to follow Fox News and Al Jazeera, not CNN.

On the other hand, I think I'll go ***** to CNN about how their damned news team practically ignored the National Defense Authorization Act's ability to detain US citizens without cause or trial for an indefinite period of time, but they have time and resources to spend covering freaking City of Heroes going kablewy.


Doom.

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This is really doom.

 

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*shrug* If it stays in gaming central, that's fine then. I'll withdraw my criticism on the foundation that I was unaware of the gaming section - I tend to follow Fox News and Al Jazeera, not CNN.

On the other hand, I think I'll go ***** to CNN about how their damned news team practically ignored the National Defense Authorization Act's ability to detain US citizens without cause or trial for an indefinite period of time, but they have time and resources to spend covering freaking City of Heroes going kablewy.
cool story bro


 

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Disagree with someone? Call 'em a name and ignore their arguments. If the game ends, then at least your game will end. *thumbs up*
Okay THIS made me laugh. Thanks. I needed that.


 

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Seeing this article makes my hope-o-meter go from "not really expecting a miracle" to "y'know, this crazy longshot just might work...". If it does... well, let's just say that I agree with the last two paragraphs of your article.
If we get some mainstream media coverage, other consumer groups might decide to follow our example, and that could change business-consumer relations drastically. People already use the internet to find and write reviews of various products and services, but so far, most of those reviews seem to be an accumulation of individual voices rather than a (semi-)organized group calling for action. I really wonder how difficult it is to move from one to the other. With social networking becoming more widespread, it seems to me that that step would be getting smaller and easier every day.


 

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Sure, an American company made up of 80+ members, that has provided a profitable product that has repeatedly received awards within the industry despite its age, despite (or because of?) its approaches that do not follow the standards of the industry, that has sustained a stable and loyal customer-base that have been highly satisfied and eager for more, that has created one of the friendliest online game communities for the past 8 years... Being dumped by the billion-dollar Korean company, most likely because the small profits, that come from this smaller American business, are no longer of that billion-dollar company's interest, so they laid everyone off and planned to run it into the ground instead of selling it...
Sure, that's not newsworthy, because no one is concerned with small American business. It's not that NCSoft are villains here. It's that we're drawing attention to the fact that small businesses (if you can call this small) are still viable, profitable, and damn-well desired, both by employees and customers.

The real problem could be... Are there any American (or other) businesses out there willing/capable of buying and producing/backing this talented studio? Anyone with enough money... but not too much money (so that these profits are not good enough) in America to care about quality products, created by talented artists that satisfies niche customers?
There should be a place for such things. Is there?
And... can an online community and grassroots movement help to point out specific examples of these occurrences? And can they help to get the right people aware and into the situation so that they can all benefit? If the right investors are out there, but didn't realize the situation... maybe attention to it will help everyone (NCSoft included).

This is not crack babies foolishly grabbing for a fix. And anyone, especially within this community, that offers those descriptions really is not worthy of any of this reply... but anyone else that may not understand... maybe some of these words may help to believe that this isn't just some stupid case of selfish desires.
It is situations exactly like this, all over the place, that are how things work... but are we happy with that? Are they part of much bigger problems?
The little things, all over, throughout our lives, communities and societies are what make up the whole.
Take action on any level and let everyone decide what importance it is to them and it will unfold how it will unfold. Maybe people haven't been drawing enough attention to the "little, unimportant things". That's no reason to continue that trend.
And when there is passion, there is action.
That's what's going on here (plus, a bonded, diverse, yet tight-knit community with a shared goal).

Paragon Studios well deserves the right to carry on with the great product they've been providing. This community well deserves to continue. If it can happen, all of these actions and attempts at getting the word out might help it to happen.

If anyone doesn't think any of that is news worthy... change the channel.


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CNN aren't gonna drop all their stories about Afghanistan or social injustice or civil wars just because we signed a petition, but they can assign one journalist to write an article that can be linked on their front page, if people show enough interest. I think that's all we can ask for from them, and that's fine.
And even if they did, that'd be their decision.

Yes, instead of "wasting time" writing this iReport, the OP could instead have spend his time in a productive manner, get a degree in journalism and travel to Africa to expose all those African Warlords and save the world.

We can't all be as awesome as you, Angry. Because I'm sure you have done the above. Otherwise, get off the friggin horse.

Seriously Angry, you are trying to pull the journalistic equivalent of "if you don't like feature X, go make your own game." It's stupid on WoW forums, and it's even dumber here.

Grow up.


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Boyo, if you were even half as active as I am in politics...

This is whining and screaming and trying to act more important than you really are
I just thought those two looked nice together.


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Flick is just looking for attention. He tries to make issues he feels are important dominate out of his own lack of self worth. Notice how is response to me wasnt a response, just insults? Kind of a marker that the person in question brought a nerf bat to a gun fight when it comes to defending their stance.

That said, his perspective is valid, from a very narrow point of view. Very narrow.

All I can say, is if this was a normal situation why has there been such an organized response. Adolecent crybabies, wouldnt have made this kind of impact. The fact that the community has managed such a response gives validity to its own claim. And hopefully, the lessons learned here will carry over to other causes.

That, and, if its really so trivial, why does it upset him so much?


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Yes, instead of "wasting time" writing this iReport, the OP could instead have spend his time in a productive manner, get a degree in journalism and travel to Africa to expose all those African Warlords and save the world.
Slaunyeh, im ALREADY working on my 3rd degree, working on another fashion publication, and redesigning a hubless electric motorcycle drivetrain. NOW I have to stop african warlords too?

Sigh.

fine.


 

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... and redesigning a hubless electric motorcycle drivetrain.
I have no idea what that is, but it certainly SOUNDS impressive, complex, and the kind of thing I'd screw up if I even looked at it.

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I have no idea what that is, but it certainly SOUNDS impressive, complex, and the kind of thing I'd screw up if I even looked at it.

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Heck, I'm pretty sure I already permanently ruined his drivetrain improvement plans. And I have no idea where he lives nor what a drivetrain is.



 

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I tend to follow Fox News .
The same Fox News that went to court to prove that news agencies have no legal obligation to tell the truth?

The same Fox News that has such gems as "OMG YOU GOT BEDBUGS!" and "WTF THERES FECES ON MY REMOTE CONTROL!"

That Fox News? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_New..._controversies

Probably best that they not cover our protest of CoH shutting down. We'll stick with CNN because we want to be taken seriously.


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Slaunyeh, im ALREADY working on my 3rd degree, working on another fashion publication, and redesigning a hubless electric motorcycle drivetrain. NOW I have to stop african warlords too?

Sigh.

fine.
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The same Fox News that went to court to prove that news agencies have no legal obligation to tell the truth?

The same Fox News that has such gems as "OMG YOU GOT BEDBUGS!" and "WTF THERES FECES ON MY REMOTE CONTROL!"

That Fox News? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_New..._controversies

Probably best that they not cover our protest of CoH shutting down. We'll stick with CNN because we want to be taken seriously.
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Well, I guess an extreme situation is what it takes for people to show their true colours. It's a good thing I did a solidarity clean-up of my ignore list to drop old grudges, because I've been filling it up all over again with a whole different sort of malicious, self-righteous people who seem to come to these forums for no reason but to talk down on others.


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Sure, an American company made up of 80+ members, that has provided a profitable product that has repeatedly received awards within the industry despite its age, despite (or because of?) its approaches that do not follow the standards of the industry, that has sustained a stable and loyal customer-base that have been highly satisfied and eager for more, that has created one of the friendliest online game communities for the past 8 years... Being dumped by the billion-dollar Korean company, most likely because the small profits, that come from this smaller American business, are no longer of that billion-dollar company's interest, so they laid everyone off and planned to run it into the ground instead of selling it...
Sure, that's not newsworthy, because no one is concerned with small American business. It's not that NCSoft are villains here. It's that we're drawing attention to the fact that small businesses (if you can call this small) are still viable, profitable, and damn-well desired, both by employees and customers.

The real problem could be... Are there any American (or other) businesses out there willing/capable of buying and producing/backing this talented studio? Anyone with enough money... but not too much money (so that these profits are not good enough) in America to care about quality products, created by talented artists that satisfies niche customers?
There should be a place for such things. Is there?
And... can an online community and grassroots movement help to point out specific examples of these occurrences? And can they help to get the right people aware and into the situation so that they can all benefit? If the right investors are out there, but didn't realize the situation... maybe attention to it will help everyone (NCSoft included).

This is not crack babies foolishly grabbing for a fix. And anyone, especially within this community, that offers those descriptions really is not worthy of any of this reply... but anyone else that may not understand... maybe some of these words may help to believe that this isn't just some stupid case of selfish desires.
It is situations exactly like this, all over the place, that are how things work... but are we happy with that? Are they part of much bigger problems?
The little things, all over, throughout our lives, communities and societies are what make up the whole.
Take action on any level and let everyone decide what importance it is to them and it will unfold how it will unfold. Maybe people haven't been drawing enough attention to the "little, unimportant things". That's no reason to continue that trend.
And when there is passion, there is action.
That's what's going on here (plus, a bonded, diverse, yet tight-knit community with a shared goal).

Paragon Studios well deserves the right to carry on with the great product they've been providing. This community well deserves to continue. If it can happen, all of these actions and attempts at getting the word out might help it to happen.

If anyone doesn't think any of that is news worthy... change the channel.

I wish I could think of anything to add other than wild applause! Well said!!


 

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I wish I could think of anything to add other than wild applause! Well said!!
I can!

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