Oh, Great Maker, please do not ...
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2012-08-28 24:42 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
Whatever they look like, you can rest assured one thing...
Their costume we will want.
Hear that Devs? Just go on and plan on the begging.
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The Battalion are the Iron Men, having fled through time from humanity at the end of the Dark Age of Technology. They seek to destroy us in the past, but will inadvertantly bring us the technology that will lead into the Dark Age of Technology and their own, doomed, creation!
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No, Orks are an invading force. They just happen to simplify their logistics by bringing their ecosystem with them everywhere they go.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
It's probably less funny than the Ork Waaagh!, but it would make a little more sense, considering the Orks are more of a plague and less of an invading force.
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What I mean is that they're not the sort of invading force that forms a great empire and plots great strategies, and they're DEFINITELY not the the sort of invading force that's so technologically advanced as to put even the Rikti to shame. The Orks are really more like the Shivans, as far as I can tell.
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Originally Posted by khorak_EU
No, Orks are an invading force. They just happen to simplify their logistics by bringing their ecosystem with them everywhere they go.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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I kind of imagine the Battalion to be either:
A - Somewhat akin to the Shi'ar Empire/Imperial Guard from Marvel as seen in X-Men: The Animated Series
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B - Tiny yet huge-brained psychic foetuses inside power armour/death mechs/artillery units. (Or, alternatively, shrimps inside power armour. So we can call them the Tempura Batterlion.)
So much hate against the green-skinned. 
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Nothing wrong with the Orks. I just don't think they fit the Batallion as described in pre-existing fiction. Of course, given how often "pre-existing fiction" is entirely disregarded... Who knows?
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Originally Posted by Nihilii
So much hate against the green-skinned.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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It's not easy being green. |
Originally Posted by Nihilii
So much hate against the green-skinned.
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Only if we get such wetware tech parts for our own costumes.
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Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
Given the devs' aesthetic tastes, I'm guessing they'll be more like a Borg-style "assimilate other species" creatures which use more organic tech implants.
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Given how the "advance scouts" of the Battalion we've seen (Shivans) are less of an "assimilate other species" so much an an extremophile adaptive mutation, I can easily see the Battalion being something polar opposite to the Borg. Instead of being all "Resistance Is Futile Because Death Is Irrelevant" like the Borg, where the Borg add other species to their collective by assimilation into the Borg ... instead ... I see the Battalion being somewhat "amorphous" in a rather "shapeshiftery" fashion, where rather than assimilating other species into themselves, the Battalion simply "adapts" to survive and thrive in whatever environment they come in contact with. Rather than assimilating others into themselves like the Borg, the Battalion instead "evolves to WIN" against whatever they encounter, eventually overwhelming and defeating the "natives" through sheer evolutionary pressure (which the Battalion can survive, but the "natives" cannot).|
Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
Given the devs' aesthetic tastes, I'm guessing they'll be more like a Borg-style "assimilate other species" creatures which use more organic tech implants.
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This would mean that the Battalion would have no fixed and definite form and could (quite literally) *BECOME* anything it needed to be in order to Fight And Win ... which is rather terrifying, actually.
And then consider the "fact" that the Rikti fought off the Battalion in their home dimension ... and look at what that effort cost them!
It's the end. But the moment has been prepared for ...
Bio-mechaincal insectoids would play up the locust angle, as well as making them totally alien and un-relatable, which would make for good co-op enemies.
Alterntatively, they could have absorbed so much Incarnate power from the Wells that they've consumed that they've actually become pure energy beings, and "download" themselves into a variety of mechanical suits for all forms of physical activity, from building work to waging war.
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I don't know how or why, but this is what I read.
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Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
Of course, now that you said that, I'm sure some will be green with horns and mullets.
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One odd theory I had was that the Battalion, for all it's hyped up to be as a some overwhelming army...
Turns out to pretty much be just one, player-sized, humanoid dude...
He's got an army, sure. He's got an empire, sure. But when we first meet him, he looks like an ordinary human who just rolled out of bed and is still half asleep.
Cue everyone being subjected to a massive asskicking.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
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So sort of like The Thing... or perhaps the Skrulls. Interesting, as the tech for this already exists in-game (costumes, doppelgangers, etc.). Not entirely exciting, though.|
Originally Posted by Redlynne
This would mean that the Battalion would have no fixed and definite form and could (quite literally) *BECOME* anything it needed to be in order to Fight And Win ... which is rather terrifying, actually.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Bio-mechaincal insectoids would play up the locust angle, as well as making them totally alien and un-relatable, which would make for good co-op enemies.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Alterntatively, they could have absorbed so much Incarnate power from the Wells that they've consumed that they've actually become pure energy beings, and "download" themselves into a variety of mechanical suits for all forms of physical activity, from building work to waging war.
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Defining the look of the Battalion seems to be a terrifically thorny problem. Maybe some of these can be combined to make a hybrid model, some sort of amorphous shapeshifter who can project its essence to possess things (and people), thus leaving it vulnerable while becoming even more powerful, which would add a new dynamic to villain interactions we haven't seen too much before.
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If it's led by Riddick we should just give up now.
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Originally Posted by Paragon
I heard the Battalion is lead by some Brute named Riddick who has only one rule: you keep what you [s]kill[/s] arrest.
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I think they are The Furlings.... 
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Pffft.. That's easy to counter.|
Originally Posted by Mad Grim
If it's led by Riddick we should just give up now.
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Riddick... Detention Room Monitor!
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Originally Posted by BViking
Pffft.. That's easy to counter.
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Originally Posted by Gaming_Glen
... let the Battalion be comprised of space orkz.
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But I seem to be missing some context. Was it just out-of-the-blue speculation about the Battalion, or was there some hint that I missed?
(Oh, and I want the Battalion to be composed of cosmic space pirates, preferably using the Cosmic Corsair costume bits.)
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it's the Nemesis army and a mass military of automatons based out all the super powered heroes and villains of the past, present and future!
WOOOOOOAH! it's like...i just....i can't.....WOW...
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Originally Posted by Robolotus
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it's the Nemesis army and a mass military of automatons based out all the super powered heroes and villains of the past, present and future! |
Hell, I already theorize that 'Lord Nemesis' is actually the older version (older than Silos). Originally, Silos came back from the far future, trying to figure out a way to stop what goes horribly wrong... but despite all his efforts to raise an army, the supers of earth are simply unprepared. No matter how many times he sent heroes forwards and backwards, it wasn't enough.
And what causes Incarnates (and others) to grow in power more than anything else? Conflict. It's the whole reason we had so much effort put into curb-stomping Praetoria. To gain more power. But even that wasn't enough (assuming that happened in the original Silos line)... So he chose the option that would make history loathe him. He went back even further, this time on his own, leaving behind the title of 'Mender'. This time, he became Lord Nemesis. He would give the heroes of the world their greatest challenges. The goal of his plots weren't for the plots themselves to succeed, but to force the supers to expand their abilities through horrific trials.
And then, by the time the Battalion arrives, maybe Primal Earth will actually be strong enough to stand up against them. Hell, he even brought the Rikti into the picture... singlehandedly. They fought back the Battalion once, maybe they'll work with us to do it a second time.
Of course, it being Nemesis, the Battalion is probably Nemesis as well... but from when? Did Nemesis first wipe out all reality leading the Battalion... and then grow bored, so came back to stop himself... and then go back again to simply terrorize Earth?
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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"The problem," said Silos, "was that I could never find a chess player good enough to face off against me. Oh, not the board game... I mean the game of life and conquest that's fought across space and time. I'm just too good at it, don't you see? So I became my own worst enemy, in a very literal sense. And now I'm afraid I went too far, and I may not be able stop myself. Isn't it grand?"
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Originally Posted by Kitsune Knight
Nemesis would be the type that would go back through time to raise an army to fight himself.
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Obviously the Battalion are space carrots, bent on revenge against the meat sacks who have perpetrated genocide on the universe's vegetables.
Goodbye, I guess.
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Whoa... I've just spent the last two hours looking for technical drawings and cutaways of the Jupiter II.
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Originally Posted by Lord_Nightblade
Obviously the Battalion are space carrots, bent on revenge against the meat sacks who have perpetrated genocide on the universe's vegetables.
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What's scary, Kitsune, is your musings sound entirely plausible. I think I want the Battalion to be Nemesis now.
I dug through the PIGG files and found pics of the Battalion:
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