Prediction! Scythe Weapon this October!
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Posted on: 2012-08-27 09:40 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
Yeah, that's kind of the thing with scythes. You can make a passable weapon in a pinch with some work, but that involves turning it into a decidedly un-scythe-like spear or polearm.
Titan Weapons, from the animations, works best for either a large edge weapon capable of both stabbing and slashing (i.e. a large sword), a double edged weapon (a large sword or a double headed axe), or a massive blunt object or bashing or crushing weapon (cudgels, clubs, hammers, cars on a stick, etc). The scythe would be tricky, as Rend Armor is a direct stab with the weapon, and Arc of Destruction has you smashing it down with the back of the weapon.
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My point being I don't see anythings scythe unique enough about those animations to really count it as a unique look.. Looks mostly like a more interactive Titan Weapons user to me.|
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Well, no, it's not scythe-specific because the way Death fights is more as a dual-weapons used with kama weapons that he uses pretty much like axes. He has only a few scythe-specific attacks, usually either in executions or his reaper form attacks. What I was saying, however, is he made a primary scythe user look good enough for me to want one.
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| Also, what do you envision of being specific to a scythe? An actual scythe has a blade that points sideways of the haft so that it can cut grass on the ground without making you bed over. A what you see passed off as a scythe in fantasy and anime has a curved blade that points down the haft and looks like a giant kama. To the best of my knowledge, such a weapon has never actually existed and thus no traditional means of using it has ever been developed. |
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| I don't mean this to shoot you down, by the way - this is an honest question: How do you envision a scythe being used that's unique to it and can't be used for an axe just as easily? In Darksiders II, Death spears the Crowfather lying on the ground, then flips him up to stand the scythe on its end so the guy is hanging off the blade upright, but that's a very specific use for it that's not easily transferable to a genera situation. So seriously - what's specific to the scythe? |
I think it'd be interesting to see someone fight using it less as a direct offensive weapon and more as a tool/combat hazard to direct the opponent towards with clever positioning. There's also the whole "impale, then swing to sever" or "Impale, then drag them around" thing as well.
Another good example would be Maka from Soul Eater, Which uses the length and size as a defensive element(staff-style twirling) before delivering a massive, final blow leveraging, again, the size, length and sharpness against the opponent
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One way that a traditional looking scythe might work with titan weapons and staff fighting is to simply add a sharp pointy blade at the top. Do the weapon can do slashing or piercing style attacks and look appropriate while doing so.
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It can't be any worse than stabbing with a rocket-powered hammer, a chunk of concrete on the end of a pipe or a demonic meat axe. And if the stabbing animation is really your concern, I have a solution for that:|
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Animations are the trouble. You can't stab with a scythe so it's an ill fit for Titan Weapons...
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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Of course not. What possibly could? Frankly, the rocket hammer - for as good of an idea as it really is - is probably the worst of the Titan Weapons simply because the set seems purpose-designed to ruin it with inappropriate animations. Again, with the concrete chunk, you can kind of say you're thrusting a great weight into someone's stomach. But with the hammer? Yeah, smashing your jet into the ground looks horrid.|
Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
It can't be any worse than stabbing with a rocket-powered hammer...
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As for the scythe... I just don't think Titan Weapons are just a bad call. Hand positions are limited to just the "hilt" area even on long-hafted weapons, and the Rend Armour animation reaches so far forward it sends most of the weapon through the enemy. Honestly, I don't think that set's animations are good enough to cover as wide a range of weapons as the animators are trying to make do. It works great for swords, less well for axes and maces, and pretty badly for everything else.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
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I think I like the idea of having a scythe enough that, really, I do not care if I'm hitting them with the top of the stick.
The bigger thing is that if they could make the scythe go pointy end first in Arc of Destruction I'd love them forever.
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That's the same thing I ultimately end up picturing in my head every time I think of a scythe in TW. So awesome. *_*
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Originally Posted by Mad Grim
The bigger thing is that if they could make the scythe go pointy end first in Arc of Destruction I'd love them forever.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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And that's the big thing - they wouldn't. Arc of Destruction is a really awkward, silly animation to begin with. Ask yourself this question - if you're making a set tat has a variety of non-stabbing weapons, why would you make your ultimate attack a ground STAB as opposed to a ground smash? It would make sense for all the set's blunt weapons, it would make sense for all the non-stabbing weapons and, best of all, it would make sense for swords, too.|
Originally Posted by Mad Grim
The bigger thing is that if they could make the scythe go pointy end first in Arc of Destruction I'd love them forever.
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I don't get why this set is using the animations it does, is my point. Not unless it really did start out as Titan Sword but got retconned into Titan Weapons-of-all-kinds later in the process. That would explain a lot if it were true.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
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No, it probably wouldn't, and I accept that. But I still want the scythe.
Skythe for Titan Weapons, yes.
Halloween themed staff? I'd like to see a human spine (or an enlarge version thereof).
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Human spine as a weapon? That is one very intriguing idea. I would like to see that one made.
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Originally Posted by Tannim222
Skythe for Titan Weapons, yes.
Halloween themed staff? I'd like to see a human spine (or an enlarge version thereof). |
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You also can't stab with a hammer, an axe, or a rocket engine on a stick. |
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Animations are the trouble. You can't stab with a scythe so it's an ill fit for Titan Weapons
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That's why Titan Weapons is Smashing damage. The damage it deals has nothing to do with whether or not the object being used is sharp.
And honestly, a sword that large would be bludgeoning people to death instead of cutting them anyway.
My point: Very few of the weapon using sets in this game make any kind of sense from a real-world-use perspective.
Dual Pistols, Dual Blades. Staff Fighting, Claws, even some of Katana's animations are questionable. If people want a scythe for Titan Weapons, I see no issue with it, as Titan Weapons does not mean stab or slash, it means "Hit them with a giant heavy thing"
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Whether it makes sense as a weapon or not, it's pretty well established that the bad-***** of the world can make it work somehow. ^_^
(Of course, in the movie Hogfather they gave Susan a sword, "Death's second-favorite weapon", which is easier to carry around and threaten people with.)
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Yeah, when I think of Scythe Melee, Soul Eater is the first thing I think of. Lots of spinning with stylish slashes in between the spins. And honestly, they could probably import at least some of the animations from Titan Weapons and possibly Staff Fighting to save on some animation time.
It is an exciting time. After Bio Armor and Psy Melee, I have no idea whats coming besides Radiation Armor. I hope Scythe Melee will be considered some time.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
for as good of an idea as it really is
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I don't see how that could ever be a "good idea" short of an entire power set being tailored around it in order to make the fact that you have a rocket-powered stick make sense.
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Radiation Melee is in development as well... if comments from the Player Summit can be assumed to still be at play, anyway.
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Originally Posted by Shadowblaze
It is an exciting time. After Bio Armor and Psy Melee, I have no idea whats coming besides Radiation Armor.
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Maybe if they ever thought of just going the route of "All internal testing just so we can SURPRISE you!"
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Originally Posted by Shadowblaze
Yeah, when I think of Scythe Melee, Soul Eater is the first thing I think of. Lots of spinning with stylish slashes in between the spins. And honestly, they could probably import at least some of the animations from Titan Weapons and possibly Staff Fighting to save on some animation time.
It is an exciting time. After Bio Armor and Psy Melee, I have no idea whats coming besides Radiation Armor. I hope Scythe Melee will be considered some time. |
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You'd be surprised how much a QA team that size would cost. Especially since getting us to test it is free.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
Maybe if they ever thought of just going the route of "All internal testing just so we can SURPRISE you!"
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You'd be surprised how much a QA team that size would cost. Especially since getting us to test it is free.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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I think what it boils down to is this:
A scythe is a tool, not a weapon. Whilst it can be used as an improvised weapon, it's just that: improvised. Thus, there is no "proper" way to fight with a scythe. You can fight with it any way you want. It should always look clumsy, because it is clumsy.
It is thus comparable to brooms, pipes, pool cues, spades, railroad signs an so on. It could be used for any powerset the model will physically fit.
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But it'd look best with Titan Weapons, due to the wide sweeps. You can see how it would act by looking at the Demonic Ax, which is what I currently use in place of a scythe.|
Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
I think what it boils down to is this:
A scythe is a tool, not a weapon. Whilst it can be used as an improvised weapon, it's just that: improvised. Thus, there is no "proper" way to fight with a scythe. You can fight with it any way you want. It should always look clumsy, because it is clumsy. It is thus comparable to brooms, pipes, pool cues, spades, railroad signs an so on. It could be used for any powerset the model will physically fit. |
Oh, and after playing through Darksiders 2 twice, it is hard for me to believe that it can't be a cool weapon.
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Originally Posted by Mad Grim
Oh, and after playing through Darksiders 2 twice, it is hard for me to believe that it can't be a cool weapon. |
Of course its cool when you throw it and it keeps spinning as it strikes your enemy buzz sawing them.
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