Does Hasten not self-stack?
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2012-08-19 21:18 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
As advertised, it does not stack.
Even if it could stack, at the absolute maximum recharge possible it would only do so for 1/4 of the time.
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Also - I thought that if you had Hasten at say 115 sec. recharge so as to be fully perma, including recast time, such that it always replaces itself before expiration, you could avoid the endurance crash. But that does not seem to be the way it works anymore. Was it changed or is my memory just failing?
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I swear around ~i20 on some >perma hasten builds I remember seeing it double stack in my buff bar for a short duration before the initial cast wore off.
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
I swear around ~i20 on some >perma hasten builds I remember seeing it double stack in my buff bar for a short duration before the initial cast wore off.
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And even if two icons are showing, that doesn't mean both buffs are stacking. It means they would be stacking if they can.
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Originally Posted by JakHammer
Also - I thought that if you had Hasten at say 115 sec. recharge so as to be fully perma, including recast time, such that it always replaces itself before expiration, you could avoid the endurance crash. But that does not seem to be the way it works anymore. Was it changed or is my memory just failing?
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I had a build that could stack hasten about 5 second (after casting time) when I checked its combat attribute window out of curiosity it was indeed stacking another %70 (I didn't open detailed window however so i ma not sure how it was shown) recharge time reduction but it was about half a year ago.
I feel relatively confident that if it DID stack (for +140% recharge) there would have been a LOT more conversation about it among the min-maxers.
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I have seen it doublestack on occasion and actually grant 140% recharge for as long as it takes for the first one to wear off. However, I've never seen any reliable way for it to happen, and it certainly isn't normal. Just a weird error that works out in one's favor now and then.
Ok, thanks all.
It does self-stack if the activation of Hasten happens in a different zone from the one where the previous activation happened. Even then the self-stacking is usually brief - a couple of seconds at best.
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This has been my experience. On some of my builds I have it perma, the icon says "2" but my recharge stats only have one Hasten applied.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Buff icons are notoriously less than correct.
And even if two icons are showing, that doesn't mean both buffs are stacking. It means they would be stacking if they can. |
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This is probably possible in the same way that double-stacking stealth IOs is: Activate it, zone, the game loses the name of the original caster during zoning, reactivate it, and you now have two copies because it's flagged "Doesn't stack from same caster" and one has you for the caster, and the other has no caster.|
Originally Posted by SpacePope
I have seen it doublestack on occasion and actually grant 140% recharge for as long as it takes for the first one to wear off. However, I've never seen any reliable way for it to happen, and it certainly isn't normal. Just a weird error that works out in one's favor now and then.
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Because of Hasten's duration and recharge time, I really can't see any way to leverage this, unlike the stealth IOs that can be put in toggles and powers that recharge instantly.
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There was a short period, about 2 weeks right after the release of i19 if I remember properly, where it did stack. However, that was considered an exploit and was silently removed. It has not stacked since.
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This is what I have seen to be true.
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Originally Posted by DSorrow
It does self-stack if the activation of Hasten happens in a different zone from the one where the previous activation happened. Even then the self-stacking is usually brief - a couple of seconds at best.
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Stealth and other IOs no longer double stack. This bug was fixed a few months ago. While I didn't check on powers, I did check on Stealth, Numina Regen/Recovery, Kismet Acc, Regenerative Tissue regen, and Miracle +recover. None of them double stack anymore.
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Originally Posted by Roderick
This is probably possible in the same way that double-stacking stealth IOs is:
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I never noticed that fix, but I just tested it with a Stealth IO, and got the same results as you.|
Originally Posted by StarGeek
Stealth and other IOs no longer double stack. This bug was fixed a few months ago. While I didn't check on powers, I did check on Stealth, Numina Regen/Recovery, Kismet Acc, Regenerative Tissue regen, and Miracle +recover. None of them double stack anymore.
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I'm going to guess that they edited the individual powers granted by the IOs, and not the code that implemented them, meaning that any powers that benefited from the same effect would continue to do so until those powers are also changed.
Whether or not Hasten can still stack that way, I don't know. I don't have any characters with enough recharge to double-stack Hasten long enough to test.
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Originally Posted by Roderick
Whether or not Hasten can still stack that way, I don't know. I don't have any characters with enough recharge to double-stack Hasten long enough to test.
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I'll check when I get home, but last I played him (been a few weeks), it stacked as long as I had zoned.
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I suspect that you can. I know that I can use that bug to double stack the ally shields on my characters that have those powers.
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Originally Posted by Roderick
Whether or not Hasten can still stack that way, I don't know. I don't have any characters with enough recharge to double-stack Hasten long enough to test.
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The crash is relatively light. Calling it a 'crash' is close to a misnomer.
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Originally Posted by Yogi_Bare
Shows my level of attention to detail; I didn't even realize there was a Hasten crash.
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Aye, it pretty much boils down to "instead of paying the END cost up front, you can activate it for free and you pay the END cost when it expires"
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
The crash is relatively light. Calling it a 'crash' is close to a misnomer.
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I'm inclined to believe that the only manners in which hasten would stack are:
a) We're talking about the random powers granted by blowing up the big containers on certain laboratory maps, rather than the pool power
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b) At some point between activations, you either logged out/back in (very quickly, I'd note), or you changed zones.
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Huh.
Just a quick question; I had been under the impression that Hasten could self-stack, but it looks like it's flagged in Mids as "effect does not stack from same caster". Anyone know from experience which of these is correct?