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Only way i ever see they doing that is if they reset your Char back to Level 1, but at least you would keep the badges that you might have gotten over the years.
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Before everyone trounces you for this idea, which continues to be brought up time and time again, I suggest you use the search function to find all the previously written answers to your question. With as often as it's brought up, there's a lot of replies. |
Originally Posted by LovelyLarose
Having been with the game for a long time (i1!!), One of my main characters a Mind/Emp controller. As more powers are added/proliferated, I get a gazillion ideas on how some things, but not everything could be different.
It could be as easy as creating a new toon, but with most characters there are a lot of experiences and memories (and of course, badges) that can't be replaced or recreated. Let's just say if I wanted to change her secondary from Empathy to Darkness Affinity, then I could go to the Paragon Market, drop 1000 points (or so), and be able to spec into the power set of my choice. You could also be able to change the primary power set within the same archetype. Maybe 1000 per power set changed or even a "bundle" price for both...? Just one amongst a gazillion ideas, but hey, let's hear what you think! <3 |
In general: The Devs have said no, as it goes against their concept of making the game "Alt friendly". They've also looked at the code to even see if it's "feasible", and have stated as recently as April that they couldn't do it, even if they wanted to without breaking things horribly.
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Let's assume the devs were actually willing to add this feature. They're not, but let's assume they are just to demonstrate why this is a horrible idea.|
Originally Posted by LovelyLarose
Having been with the game for a long time (i1!!), One of my main characters a Mind/Emp controller. As more powers are added/proliferated, I get a gazillion ideas on how some things, but not everything could be different.
It could be as easy as creating a new toon, but with most characters there are a lot of experiences and memories (and of course, badges) that can't be replaced or recreated. Let's just say if I wanted to change her secondary from Empathy to Darkness Affinity, then I could go to the Paragon Market, drop 1000 points (or so), and be able to spec into the power set of my choice. You could also be able to change the primary power set within the same archetype. Maybe 1000 per power set changed or even a "bundle" price for both...? Just one amongst a gazillion ideas, but hey, let's hear what you think! <3 |
Did you stop to consider what will happen to all the IO's, ATO's, and Attuned IO's?
The average level 50 character has 100+ enhancements slotted on a single build.
A single respec costs $9.99 and only allows 10 enhancements to be pulled from a build.
So that means it's going to cost a level 50 character over $100 dollars to salvage his hard earned enhancements if he changes power sets.
Over $200 bucks if he's using dual builds.
Over $300 bucks if he's using the third build he got for unlocking Incarnate content.
Players can increase the number of enhancements that can be pulled off of a build during a respec by purchasing up to 4 extra trays at a price of $20 bucks per build.
That means after spending $80 bucks he can strip a single build for only an aditional $30 bucks.
$60 bucks to strip 2 builds.
$90 bucks to strip 3 builds.
Then theres the fact Positron stated during one of the previous Ustreams that giving players the ability to change power sets would be so much work that he had no idea what they'd have to charge for that option to make it worthwhile to even begin to start on such a project.
So your idea that a token would cost 1000 points is at best wishful thinking. If you were lucky it would cost $50 to $100 bucks.
Not trying to be mean, just pointing out the financial cost. I'm sorry but I don't see anyone but the richest or dumbest of players ever choosing to change power sets instead of the much more inexpensive method of creating a new character.
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Scrap'em.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Did you stop to consider what will happen to all the IO's, ATO's, and Attuned IO's?
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Or invest in enhancement trays and burn any respecs you've got.
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The same thing that would happen if the character were deleted or otherwise retired the old-fashioned way: you yank out the valuable ones with a respec, if necessary, and ditch the rest.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Let's assume the devs were actually willing to add this feature. They're not, but let's assume they are just to demonstrate why this is a horrible idea.
Did you stop to consider what will happen to all the IO's, ATO's, and Attuned IO's? The average level 50 character has 100+ enhancements slotted on a single build. |
Also, I strongly doubt the average level 50 character has 100+ enhancements slotted, since a level 50 non-Kheldian character only has 98 slots total. Well, unless you count the default slots in the prestige sprints, I guess.
I think powerset respecs are rather unnecessary and undesirable, and unlikely to happen for all the reasons described. Just pointing out that your example of why it would be "horrible" is rather flawed.
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Originally Posted by Quinch
Scrap'em.
Or invest in enhancement trays and burn any respecs you've got. |
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Originally Posted by Hopeling
The same thing that would happen if the character were deleted or otherwise retired the old-fashioned way: you yank out the valuable ones with a respec, if necessary, and ditch the rest.
Also, I strongly doubt the average level 50 character has 100+ enhancements slotted, since a level 50 non-Kheldian character only has 98 slots total. Well, unless you count the default slots in the prestige sprints, I guess. I think powerset respecs are rather unnecessary and undesirable, and unlikely to happen for all the reasons described. Just pointing out that your example of why it would be "horrible" is rather flawed. |
Right and we've never seen angry threads made where people were complaining about how they have to strip their purpled out builds and start over from scratch because of a change made to a few powers in a set or the introduction of a brand new power set.
There's more than a few players that are obsessed with mini-maxing their builds with uber enhancements and many aren't 8 year vets sitting on a stack of unused vetspecs.
Or have you guys forgotten the nerdrage that went on just a few months back when the devs didn't give out a freespec with the last issue that went live?
Far to many players have burned thru all of their other respecs and rely on the freespecs because they can't afford or are unwilling to buy respecs from the store.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Right and we've never seen angry threads made where people were complaining about how they have to strip their purpled out builds and start over from scratch because of a change made to a few powers in a set or the introduction of a brand new power set.
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"Your proposed idea would force you to deal with a mild inconvenience you already deal with under the current system anyway" just isn't a particularly strong objection, is all I'm saying.
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So they'll have to pick between keeping their badges or the enhancements they couldn't unslot. Many of which wouldn't be compatible with their new build anyway. Boo hoo.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Right and we've never seen angry threads made where people were complaining about how they have to strip their purpled out builds and start over from scratch because of a change made to a few powers in a set or the introduction of a brand new power set.
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{also was a bit upset about the no freespec, but that was mostly because it was kinda traditional, like a mini-christmas}
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Originally Posted by Hopeling
Not never, but not often.
I remember there was a thread or two about it. I remember very little outrage, and the few who were concerned were more over "do they plan to stop giving us free things under the f2p model" (spoilers: no) than "zomg i need respex". "Your proposed idea would force you to deal with a mild inconvenience you already deal with under the current system anyway" just isn't a particularly strong objection, is all I'm saying. |
It's not my proposed idea. I'm just pointing out one of the worst case financial flaws of the OP's suggestion.
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Originally Posted by Quinch
So they'll have to pick between keeping their badges or the enhancements they couldn't unslot. Many of which wouldn't be compatible with their new build anyway. Boo hoo.
{also was a bit upset about the no freespec, but that was mostly because it was kinda traditional, like a mini-christmas} |
I feel the same way you both do about it. In fact I've suggested several times it would be easier for the devs to simply make the badges global so the badgers wouldn't lose any of their unique badges they're afraid of losing.
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Considering you can get respec in-game by doing like what 1 hour tops of a trial and there is 3 for each side I think this is mostly worst excuse of a nerdrage ever but this is internet it won't stop people to rage about something (and before anyone reminds me I am aware as well my own rage about hybrid :P)
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Or have you guys forgotten the nerdrage that went on just a few months back when the devs didn't give out a freespec with the last issue that went live?
Far to many players have burned thru all of their other respecs and rely on the freespecs because they can't afford or are unwilling to buy respecs from the store. |
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No it isn't since the people that respec frequently have already gone thru all the trials, and burned thru all their vetspecs. (on certain characters)|
Originally Posted by Kangstor
Considering you can get respec in-game by doing like what 1 hour tops of a trial and there is 3 for each side I think this is mostly worst excuse of a nerdrage ever but this is internet it won't stop people to rage about something (and before anyone reminds me I am aware as well my own rage about hybrid :P)
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That was the whole reason the devs started selling respecs in the first place, and then later added respec recipes, and most recently Enhancement Unslotters.
Even the 2nd and 3rd builds could be used to fix/change a build without having to burn a respec.
Personally I don't understand this compulsion to frequently respec. I have 8 year old characters that still have their vetspecs and haven't gone thru a single respec trial.
The IO's I use are basic ones and the number of alts I have (out of nearly 200) that are completely IO'd out are in the single digits.
But people enjoy different aspects of the game.
Some enjoy PvP
Some enjoy farming
Some enjoy the market
Some enjoy RP
and some enjoy the challenge of constantly tweaking builds to make the most powerful characters.
well i like this idea even if no one else does >.>'
The Devs have already said this wouldnt work to change powersets once youve made a toon. just how you rechoose the order you get powers n stuff.. 
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The issue isn't about if we the players like this idea. The devs have flat out told us over and over, each time it gets brought up to them that they aren't going to do it because |
Originally Posted by PoisonHeart
well i like this idea even if no one else does >.>'
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a. It isn't worth the huge amount of time and effort it would take to develop, and
b. It would undermine all the effort they have spent the past 8 years in developing an alt friendly game.
So unless there are drastic changes to both the game engine and dev attitude this isn't going to ever be added to the game.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
The issue isn't about if we the players like this idea. The devs have flat out told us over and over, each time it gets brought up to them that they aren't going to do it because
a. It isn't worth the huge amount of time and effort it would take to develop, and b. It would undermine all the effort they have spent the past 8 years in developing an alt friendly game. So unless there are drastic changes to both the game engine and dev attitude this isn't going to ever be added to the game. |
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Originally Posted by mauk2
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No the amount of money people would have to spend to save their precious enhancements is what makes it a bad idea.|
Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy
Still doesnt make it a bad idea.
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The amount of time and resources the devs have determined would need to be invested developing it and the huge amount of money they'd have to charge to break even let alone show a profit makes it a bad idea.
And as far as the devs have said they are concerned, the fact that it undermines EVERYTHING they have done for the past 8 years to make this game alt friendly makes it (to them) a bad idea.
And the devs opinions are the only ones that matter, since they are the ones that consistantly shoot this idea down, and refuse to consider it for development.
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dont see where they would have to spend a dine to save their enhancements at as it seemed to be more of an opiton than anything from the presentation of the idea. But if the dev's opinions are the only ones that matter, then there is really not much point of this forum. But seeing as it is here, maybe some other opinions do matter. Even though true the devs have last word on things. |
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
No the amount of money people would have to spend to save their precious enhancements is what makes it a bad idea.
The amount of time and resources the devs have determined would need to be invested developing it and the huge amount of money they'd have to charge to break even let alone show a profit makes it a bad idea. And as far as the devs have said they are concerned, the fact that it undermines EVERYTHING they have done for the past 8 years to make this game alt friendly makes it (to them) a bad idea. And the devs opinions are the only ones that matter, since they are the ones that consistantly shoot this idea down, and refuse to consider it for development. |
But still, not bad idea, not maybe one that will be impleted ever, maybe but still doesnt make it a bad idea at all. It's just an idea, not a potential law, that just so happen to not been able to find a place to make it work just yet.
Do you have a better idea that could help with a power change?
-Female Player-
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Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
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Similarly, a bunch of people talking about it doesn't make it a good idea.
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Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy
Still doesnt make it a bad idea.
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Originally Posted by Hopeling
Similarly, a bunch of people talking about it doesn't make it a good idea.
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IMO, it aint a bad idea.
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I believe They should do it because all the nerf over years broke some of our older toons. As example, I think of all energy melee toons deleted after E13.
I believe if a player is pver it doesnt really make a difference to have common set while playing. Pvper have to have some purple and expensive set so main customers for these are pvper in my opinion BUT i can tell you after playing many years my toons that now are fully IO +5 i will not unequip them again (because i did already for some new alt) to equip another, we pay for the boosters (and we loose them if we respec) and when they change a pool power we should be able to change or not that pool selection.
I decided to spend no more money in PP until they ll finally give a POOL respec for every toons that have major changes over years in their powers. That should be in game since E13 that would may be avoid less people to leave in that time.
Moreover they gave us some purple ATO modifier drops that can drop instead of purple IO so i am sorry but as far as a toon can have only 6SATO we SHOULD BE ABLE TO TRADE EXTRA ATO MODIFIER INTO ANY PURPLE IO TO SOME CONTACT !!!
They might want to do business but THEY HAVE TO DO IT FAIR !
Thanks to read and be aware that some good spenders/customers are starting to be really fed up !
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Having been with the game for a long time (i1!!), One of my main characters a Mind/Emp controller. As more powers are added/proliferated, I get a gazillion ideas on how some things, but not everything could be different.
It could be as easy as creating a new toon, but with most characters there are a lot of experiences and memories (and of course, badges) that can't be replaced or recreated. Let's just say if I wanted to change her secondary from Empathy to Darkness Affinity, then I could go to the Paragon Market, drop 1000 points (or so), and be able to spec into the power set of my choice. You could also be able to change the primary power set within the same archetype. Maybe 1000 per power set changed or even a "bundle" price for both...?
Just one amongst a gazillion ideas, but hey, let's hear what you think! <3
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