Coffee Talk Summary?
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2012-07-18 16:36 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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They aren't now ? |
Originally Posted by EvilGeko
They tried it on beta when they first allowed travel powers to be taken without prerequisites. It made Tough and absolute no-brainer pick for EVERYONE, but especially all melees.
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And Boxing/Kick is still going to be a waste/set mule power for most people.
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They could stand to have their backs waxed and buffed.
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Originally Posted by EvilGeko
Crabs need buffs?
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I know this might be shocking... but watch it when you get home then?
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Originally Posted by Ultimus
Thanks for the link but until I get home from work I can't watch that!
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I doubt it unless you really, really want Aid Self and/or Injection. It doesn't boost regeneration effects and Reconstruction and Dull Pain and since Reconstruction takes Resistance enhancements it doesn't benefit from global buffs so only the -Res(Heal) would boost it, not the extra heal strength. That doesn't seem worth three power picks to me but YMMV |
Originally Posted by BrandX
What I am wondering is if it will be good for a Regen to pick up the new power in Medicine pool.
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Make it text and I'll look at it. Video is a cumbersome and largely inefficient way to spread most of the information that comes out in these Coffee Talks. |
Originally Posted by Freitag
In case you guys would like to watch the whole thing, here's a link!
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Luckily, the important bits tend to drift onto the boards.
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Picking up all three attacks from the fighting pool would probably buff a melee crab ahead of using their regular melee attacks.
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Originally Posted by blueruckus
They confirmed no incoming buffs for Crab Spiders. =(
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You always could do that, by taking Boxing and Kick.|
Originally Posted by Agent White
you can now get Weave without getting Tough.
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Have they actually confirmed that you still need to pick up a T1 and T2 power before a T3? Or are you guessing?
I'm not sitting though video. Text is the medium of the future.
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Sadly, this disgraceful tactic appears to have recently gained traction with the devs. Ironically, I can't fully voice my disapproval of such people without becoming one of them... <sigh> |
Originally Posted by Bronze Knight
*****, complain, argue, throw a fit, and accuse the devs of this change being a slap in the face.
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
I'm not sitting though video. Text is the medium of the future.
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It was confirmed in the video, they work like epic pools. T1/T2 powers are available from the get go, T3/T4 powers require 1 power pick, and T5 requires 2 picks. |
Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
You always could do that, by taking Boxing and Kick.
Have they actually confirmed that you still need to pick up a T1 and T2 power before a T3? Or are you guessing? I'm not sitting though video. Text is the medium of the future. |
And by 'without tough' I meant you can pick Weave with only 1 power picked instead of 2 as it requires now.
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It seems to me that this change will have the biggest impact on Phase Shift.
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Originally Posted by Agent White
It was confirmed in the video, they work like epic pools. T1/T2 powers are available from the get go, T3/T4 powers require 1 power pick, and T5 requires 2 picks.
And by 'without tough' I meant you can pick Weave with only 1 power picked instead of 2 as it requires now. |
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Originally Posted by Tenzhi
Make it text and I'll look at it. Video is a cumbersome and largely inefficient way to spread most of the information that comes out in these Coffee Talks.
Luckily, the important bits tend to drift onto the boards. |
It's Zwill's super power. To stretch a 5 minuet presentation into an hour.
I enjoyed it more when it had tangents.
Something witty and profound
The frustrating part is that the stuff I'm most interested in hearing about is the stuff that they only gave a passing mention to (Sorcery and new non-trial Incarnate stuff), and I had to sit there and listen for a full hour just to learn that they weren't going to talk about what I actually wanted to hear about.
It's all the more disappointing because last week's Coffee talk heavily implied that they'd go into more detail about Sorcery this week, and.. they didn't. When it was brought up, they bascially said "Yup, Sorcery", and immediately changed the subject. They spent less time on Sorcery and Incarnate stuff combined than they did on, say, German beers or wacky forks.
I'm sure there'll be plenty of text-filled patch notes to read once it gets closer to release, but this trickle of information spread out in an hour-long video is still a little frustrating.
Well we could see i24 hit Beta soon with next week's coffee talk being on Logitech mice rather than stuff to do with the game.
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Tough and Weave are very useful on most melee builds, but not necessary. And with the need to take Boxing or Kick, not a no-brainer choice. What the devs saw is that everyone was taking Tough, even if they ignored the rest of the pool.
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Originally Posted by Another_Fan
They aren't now ?
And Boxing/Kick is still going to be a waste/set mule power for most people. |
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Uh I saw last weeks. No way in any shape or form did they claim they'd be talking about sorcery. |
Originally Posted by Thunder Knight
The frustrating part is that the stuff I'm most interested in hearing about is the stuff that they only gave a passing mention to (Sorcery and new non-trial Incarnate stuff), and I had to sit there and listen for a full hour just to learn that they weren't going to talk about what I actually wanted to hear about.
It's all the more disappointing because last week's Coffee talk heavily implied that they'd go into more detail about Sorcery this week, and.. they didn't. When it was brought up, they bascially said "Yup, Sorcery", and immediately changed the subject. They spent less time on Sorcery and Incarnate stuff combined than they did on, say, German beers or wacky forks. I'm sure there'll be plenty of text-filled patch notes to read once it gets closer to release, but this trickle of information spread out in an hour-long video is still a little frustrating. |
In fact they gave the old company line "it doesn't exist yet" or "it still hasn't been officially announced yet," a line they kinda repeated AGAIN this week.
AKA, lol WUT?!!
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Its great that we can pick weave without tough.
Big revamps for the builds of most of my characters.
Also, minimal FX for hasten.
Builds are going to get really tight! We need to be lvl 60 with powers at 52,55,58 and more slots
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Okay, going back and checking, Zwillinger didn't say anything about not existing yet, he explicitly said they'd talk about it "soon". Meanwhile, when asked about power pool customization, they said "we can't talk about that".|
Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
Uh I saw last weeks. No way in any shape or form did they claim they'd be talking about sorcery.
In fact they gave the old company line "it doesn't exist yet" or "it still hasn't been officially announced yet," a line they kinda repeated AGAIN this week. AKA, lol WUT?!! |
So I thought that, you know, we'd get information the thing that they specifically said they'd talk about soon long before we'd get information about the thing that they specifically said they weren't going to talk about at all.
So, I guess for future reference, I should keep in mind that "we'll tell you about it soon" means "we're not going to say anything at all for at least two weeks", and "we're not going to tell you anything about that" means "we'll tell you about it in a few days".
Or in other words, lol WUT?!!
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Wow, those are really slow minuets. Must be difficult to dance to.
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Originally Posted by Fista
It's Zwill's super power. To stretch a 5 minuet presentation into an hour.
I enjoyed it more when it had tangents. |
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"Soon" means "at some indeterminate point in the future". (anything from two months up to two years).|
Originally Posted by Thunder Knight
Okay, going back and checking, Zwillinger didn't say anything about not existing yet, he explicitly said they'd talk about it "soon". Meanwhile, when asked about power pool customization, they said "we can't talk about that".
So I thought that, you know, we'd get information the thing that they specifically said they'd talk about soon long before we'd get information about the thing that they specifically said they weren't going to talk about at all. So, I guess for future reference, I should keep in mind that "we'll tell you about it soon" means "we're not going to say anything at all for at least two weeks", and "we're not going to tell you anything about that" means "we'll tell you about it in a few days". Or in other words, lol WUT?!! |
"I can't talk about it" means "its supposed to be a surprise".
It's very unlikely Sorcery is part off issue 24. It's clearly a commercial thing, so it will be released via the market, AFTER issue 24 is live.
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Zwill cop'd to Sorcery being a legit leak on the Beta server. They denied the existence of the other powersets (psi-melee, the shapechangey one, etc).
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Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
Uh I saw last weeks. No way in any shape or form did they claim they'd be talking about sorcery.
In fact they gave the old company line "it doesn't exist yet" or "it still hasn't been officially announced yet," a line they kinda repeated AGAIN this week. AKA, lol WUT?!! |
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I like the change to the prerequisites for the power pools, because that changes builds a lot, and makes room for other powers.
I do question the usefulness of an AoE placate, but Field Medic looks like an interesting power.
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Depends on your AT. Could be very useful for an Illusion controller...
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Originally Posted by Gemini_2099
I do question the usefulness of an AoE placate,
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I like how they int towards there being new upcoming IO sets that solve that affect non damage powers. Check at 35:50
http://www.twitch.tv/paragonstudios/b/325355186
Also there's a bug someone reported about combining the Ragnarok Proc with the Overwhelming proc...it's causing KB 
They added what they're calling "Synergy" to the Fighting pool where when you own any o the attack powers, the other attack powers gain a bonus to their effectiveness.
If you use Boxing and also have Kick, Boxing will get a 15% bonus to it's damage, and have a higher chance to proc it's stun. Likewise if you use Kick and also have Boxing, Kick gets a 15% damage bonus and have a higher chance to knockdown your target. The new 5th power, Cross Punch, gets a similar benefit.
These bonuses stack, so if you have all three attacks and use Boxing it gets a 30% damage buff (15% from Kick and 15% from Cross Punch) and has a higher change to disorient, and gains a debuff (I forget what kind) from mhaving Cross Punch.
Additionally, all of the power pools are having their level requirements and power prerequisites restructured.
With regard to the Fighting Pool, that means you can pick up Boxing or Kick as normal, then you can get Tough OR Weave at level 14 as long as you already own 1 other Fighting power. Then at level 20 if you have 2 other fighting powers you can get Cross Punch. So you no longer have to spend 3 power picks (Boxing/Tough/Weave) just to get Weave, you can do it in two (Boxing/Weave).
I really wish I could just get Tough and Weave, and skip Boxing/Kick, but what can ya do?
I don't see a 30% dmg buff actually making boxing/kick useful to use, but I still love them anyways for the set bonuses. IIRC, all my toons have boxing slotted anyways with KCs for S/L Defense, and 1 that has it slotted with makos for ranged defense. On the other hand I might be able to skip tough on some toons that have other means of slotting resist sets so I can still get that 6% defense from steadfast/glad armor, my corrs/blaster especially since they can run resist shields and then give up tough to make room for snipes/nukes which are getting buffed.
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