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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2012-07-18 16:36 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Hrmm...shouldn't both procs be firing at separate times though? The ragnarok chance of KD proc doesn't change a power like OF's IO does. So I would think that having both procs being slotted should only affect the chance of KD not the increased mag of KB. |
Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
I wouldn't consider that a bug. It works exactly the same as if you slot Ragnarok in any power that does knockdown. It adds the mag of the Ragnarok proc to the mag of the knockdown, resulting in knockback.
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This also happening supposedly in non KB powers...I need to test this first to be sure my self before I can go any further.
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You are correct. However if they fire at the same time then the magnitudes get added together and become knockback.
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Originally Posted by Tater Todd
Hrmm...shouldn't both procs be firing at separate times though? The ragnarok chance of KD proc doesn't change a power like OF's IO does. So I would think that having both procs being slotted should only affect the chance of KD not the increased mag of KB.
This also happening supposedly in non KB powers...I need to test this first to be sure my self before I can go any further. |
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In either case, you would expect to get at least an occasional KB. If we assume a power with 100% inherent KB chance, then that would become 100% KD, which would be increased to KB every time Ragnarok procs, so about 25% chance. If the power doesn't have any KB/KD, then you would get KB whenever both proc at the same time. Which should be around 5% chance.
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Originally Posted by Tater Todd
Hrmm...shouldn't both procs be firing at separate times though? The ragnarok chance of KD proc doesn't change a power like OF's IO does. So I would think that having both procs being slotted should only affect the chance of KD not the increased mag of KB.
This also happening supposedly in non KB powers...I need to test this first to be sure my self before I can go any further. |
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Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
You are correct. However if they fire at the same time then the magnitudes get added together and become knockback.
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
In either case, you would expect to get at least an occasional KB. If we assume a power with 100% inherent KB chance, then that would become 100% KD, which would be increased to KB every time Ragnarok procs, so about 25% chance. If the power doesn't have any KB/KD, then you would get KB whenever both proc at the same time. Which should be around 5% chance.
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It sounds like with the upcoming PPM changes the chance of KB might get worse.
It's a shame that they can't code it to where the procs wouldn't fire at the same time but that's impossible unless it's the same proc. For instance how you cannot receive a double stack of the Forced Feedback proc buff...I know that's like comparing Apples to Oranges but you get where I am coming from lol.
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Overwhelming Force doesn't have IOs. It has Attuned Enhancements.
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Originally Posted by Tater Todd
OF's IO
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Ahhhh I see you haven't been here long enough to understand what "soon" means. When they usually say that it usually means "when they are ready to talk about it".|
Originally Posted by Thunder Knight
Okay, going back and checking, Zwillinger didn't say anything about not existing yet, he explicitly said they'd talk about it "soon". Meanwhile, when asked about power pool customization, they said "we can't talk about that".
So I thought that, you know, we'd get information the thing that they specifically said they'd talk about soon long before we'd get information about the thing that they specifically said they weren't going to talk about at all. So, I guess for future reference, I should keep in mind that "we'll tell you about it soon" means "we're not going to say anything at all for at least two weeks", and "we're not going to tell you anything about that" means "we'll tell you about it in a few days". Or in other words, lol WUT?!!  |
And this week Synapse actually said pretty quickly "we haven't actually announced that yet." He mumbled it, so not hard to miss.
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It depends a lot on the type of power you're using. In general the chance of them firing off together will be about the same or increase in simple click powers but will decrease in powers that have a frequent tick rate (auras and pseudo-pet powers like Caltrops).
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Originally Posted by Tater Todd
It sounds like with the upcoming PPM changes the chance of KB might get worse.
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The in-game reward screen disagrees with you:|
Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven
Overwhelming Force doesn't have IOs. It has Attuned Enhancements.
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Textual errors don't change what it is. It isn't "invented" so it can't be an Invention.
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Just because -you- didn't invent it doesn't mean it's not an invention. |
Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven
Textual errors don't change what it is. It isn't "invented" so it can't be an Invention.
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Ah, that does make sense. Thanks!|
Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
It depends a lot on the type of power you're using. In general the chance of them firing off together will be about the same or increase in simple click powers but will decrease in powers that have a frequent tick rate (auras and pseudo-pet powers like Caltrops).
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Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven
Overwhelming Force doesn't have IOs. It has Attuned Enhancements.
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The interesting thing is that the existence of the "shapechangey one" was also a legitimate beta leak. It was selectable as an Archetype on the Real Numbers pages when viewing detailed power info.|
Originally Posted by bpphantom
Zwill cop'd to Sorcery being a legit leak on the Beta server. They denied the existence of the other powersets (psi-melee, the shapechangey one, etc).
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It's powersets and abilities were pigg dived for though, and completely off the table for discussion.
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Will depend on what you slot them in. It will happen a lot if you put them in a slow power, but not often in a fast AoE power.|
Originally Posted by Tater Todd
It sounds like with the upcoming PPM changes the chance of KB might get worse.
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On the whole, the best idea would be not to slot both procs in the same power if you don't want KB...
But I think the Ragnarock proc should be changed to KU - KB is a bit rubbish for a purple.
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It's not Knockback, it's KnockDOWN. It's only turning into Knockback when you pair it with the Overwhelming Force proc because the 2 knockdowns are combining.
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
Will depend on what you slot them in. It will happen a lot if you put them in a slow power, but not often in a fast AoE power.
On the whole, the best idea would be not to slot both procs in the same power if you don't want KB... But I think the Ragnarock proc should be changed to KU - KB is a bit rubbish for a purple. |
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Yes. And no. Ragnarok does KD because it is a low mag KB power. That's WHY it combines with other KDs to produce the KB effect. If it was changed to KU it would have the same effect on it's own, but wouldn't combine with other powers to produce KB.
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Originally Posted by Agent White
It's not Knockback, it's KnockDOWN. It's only turning into Knockback when you pair it with the Overwhelming Force proc because the 2 knockdowns are combining.
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Technically, it's not Knockdown, it's Knockback. There is no actual Knockdown effect - just low magnitude Knockback. This is why there are numerous situations where "Knockdown" irritatingly fails to be "Knockdown" and shows its true Knockback colours. |
Originally Posted by Agent White
It's not Knockback, it's KnockDOWN. It's only turning into Knockback when you pair it with the Overwhelming Force proc because the 2 knockdowns are combining.
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If only they would have based "Knockdown" on Knockup in the first place...
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There is at least one power which does - Air Superiority. I wonder what OF does slotted in that?
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Originally Posted by Tenzhi
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If only they would have based "Knockdown" on Knockup in the first place... |
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I didnt think of that!|
Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
It seems to me that this change will have the biggest impact on Phase Shift.
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So many concepts I had that needed Phase Shift but I couldn't jusstify the extra power picks!
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Also there's a bug someone reported about combining the Ragnarok Proc with the Overwhelming proc...it's causing KB
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