Star Wars: Machete Order, or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Tolerate the Prequels


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Article link.

TL;DR version:

IV->V->II->III->VI

It cuts out the stupid mess that is Episode I (and 95% of Jar Jar's screentime), it keeps the big reveals in V and III secret (either one of which would be spoiled by watching in either numerical or release order), and it elevates the tension of the cliffhanger ending of V by delaying the payoff.

It's not perfect, but it sounds like the best way to introduce Star Wars to someone who has never seen any of the films before.


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I watch them 1 through 6 - they're all good movies.


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Now I'm a hard core star wars fan, I love the books (i can get, hard to find them in Belgium) and the movies. The only star wars thing I don't like is the old republic game. *I* for one don't think any of the movies are bad, or should be watched in a certain order. I watched the original trilogy first, then the II and III, but only because I got them for my birthday from my uncle. I got the first a few weeks after that. I usually try to avoid posting in forums other than the costume redesign thread, but this article... bothers me.

First of all, yes, many people dislike jar-jar binks. But if you think that ruins the entire first movie...I've always seen the first movie as something that introduces Anakin. As well as the beginning of the War between jedi and Sith since the first time (again) in 1000 years.

Also, apart from the jar jar binks reason, other things that you don't know from watching the first movie can become a problem if you are further interested in the rest of the movies. The midi chlorians being mentioned and anakin having no father (virgin birth)... it has a connection (*hint*: Darth Plagueis lives a part in the first movie... remember what Palpatine sais about him in the third... it's about Anakin...).

Granted, the order the writer suggests leaves out a few confusing parts, other things like "a trade dispute <-> systems leaving republic or Obi-Wan with <-> without beard are no real confusing things to me. I've watched the movies first time when I was about 12 years old, I understood most of it, so I hope not many adults have problems understanding the movies.

Don't take me wrong, I'm not saying this is a bad or wrong article, I'm mainly bothered by the "leaving the first movie out". For the main reasons of Jar Jar... and some confusion. Most people have heard of Star Wars, when they're interested in watching the movies, I'ld simply begin with either the one or the fourth (personally). Then they can decide or they like it, and watch the others.

I got introduced to star wars with the games (battlefront I and II), then watched the films. Ordering people to watch the movies in a certain order is just a bit weird to me. You're making it, in my eyes, more complicated than it is.

Of course, this is my personal opinion. I wouldn't do it like the writer suggests. But hey, that's me +

PS: I love all the movies, even the first. The pod racing part and the duel of fates is just epic.


 

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I usually try to avoid posting in forums other than the costume redesign thread, but this article... bothers me.

First of all, yes, many people dislike jar-jar binks. But if you think that ruins the entire first movie...
Just to clarify, a "bad article" could indeed be a "bad article". But, it is only his opinion offered for review. And is as worthy as any other for consideration in the larger discussion.

My opinion is that first Star Wars movies (IV-VI) were never "great films" (aside from ground breaking usage of special effects) but they were great story telling. My personal opinion puts me in the camp that believes that I-III were bad story telling, packaged in movies of exceptional production value. And there are many, many reasons to think this that have absolutely nothing to do with Jar-Jar.

(Wish I had the time to go look up the youtube link of a guy walking through a script rewrite of Episode I that would have made it brilliant...)


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Best way to watch them is IV-V-VI. Fast forward over most Ewok scenes.


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Star Wars fans have got to be the most fickle people this side of hardcore Nolan-Batman fans.

I still can't grasp how anyone can prefer Episode II (an entirely unnecessary movie) and III (watch how Anakin Skywalker goes from indecisive over turning to the dark side to killing children in no time at all) to Episode I, which isn't such a bad Star Wars story (though it has little to do with the grander arc of the series).


 

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Just to clarify, a "bad article" could indeed be a "bad article". But, it is only his opinion offered for review. And is as worthy as any other for consideration in the larger discussion.
I know, and I respect that. I also think I made clear that everything *I* said is my, personal opinion. And for that reason isn't the same as others.

I never said it was a bad article, I only said it bothered me that if you introduce someone to Star Wars you don't even show them all the movies.


 

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I know, and I respect that. I also think I made clear that everything *I* said is my, personal opinion. And for that reason isn't the same as others.

I never said it was a bad article, I only said it bothered me.
Fair enough, I was probably reading too much into your comment then, hence my opinion reminder. Purely comprehension fault on this end.

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that if you introduce someone to Star Wars you don't even show them all the movies.
Also fair enough, for if I were to introduce someone to Star Wars (and I have - points to children as Exhibits A&B), I would start with IV-VI in order. And only then reluctantly through I-III, in order.

I would then live for years in disappointment that IV-VI are viewed poorly by the modern generation for looking like low budget junk by modern standards, but with pride that I in no way need to point out the flaws of I-III.


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Not sure if serious...
There's nothing that happened in that movie that was remotely necessary.


 

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There's nothing that happened in that movie that was remotely necessary.
The parents of Leia and Luke getting together is kind of a big deal in the Star Wars storyline - the clone wars are also pretty important to the collapse of the republic and the rise of the Empire.


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I didn't mind the prequel (scope and story); I just didn't like much of the acting or dialogue.

I don't get the Jar-Jar hate (outside of the 'so-called' race bashing thing); sure he was an annoying flip-floppity mess of a creature but its more tolerable than watching the Wizard of OZ mash-up of The "Dorothy Bunch", known as C3PO, crying around and betching every 5 to 10... what a freaking nag!


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The parents of Leia and Luke getting together is kind of a big deal in the Star Wars storyline - the clone wars are also pretty important to the collapse of the republic and the rise of the Empire.
They could have easily first gotten together in the last one, and the clone wars were made into little more than a gift to all the Boba Fett fans out there.


 

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Interesting stuff. I'm tempted to give it a try and see how it feels at least.


 

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I still can't grasp how anyone can prefer Episode II (an entirely unnecessary movie) and III (watch how Anakin Skywalker goes from indecisive over turning to the dark side to killing children in no time at all) to Episode I, which isn't such a bad Star Wars story (though it has little to do with the grander arc of the series).
There's one particularly annoying character in Episode I who makes me cringe just about every time words issue from his mouth. His presence makes the movie rather unwatchable for me.

I refer, of course, to young Anakin. My left eye has begun twitching just remembering an errant "Yippee".


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I watch them 1 through 6 - they're all PANCAKING AWESOME movies.
Fixified.

I usually stay away from religious conversation, but... Yeah. Mesa loves having 6 Star Wars movies that I enjoy!


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I watch them 1 through 6 - they're all good movies.
Wow...words cannot express...GG, you may have lost what credibility you had left

George Lucas definitely started the slow road to insanity in the 90s. Poor bugger.


 

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They could have easily first gotten together in the last one, and the clone wars were made into little more than a gift to all the Boba Fett fans out there.
The Leia and Han romance covered 3 movies, so the Anakin Padme one would need at least the same amount of time too, as it's the key part of Anakin's fall.


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The Leia and Han romance covered 3 movies, so the Anakin Padme one would need at least the same amount of time too, as it's the key part of Anakin's fall.
The Leia-Han romance covered 2 movies.

And was relatively well done.


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The Leia-Han romance covered 2 movies.

And was relatively well done.
Both cover 3 movies, and both did worked as intended.


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Honestly, it's just about what makes a good movie and a good story. I have a friend whose relative works in the movie industry, and it's confirmed that Lucas is as ego-driven, eccentric and utterly used to getting his own way as anyone would ever suspect.

It's very much a case that you can be as creative as you want...until George walks in the room and says do it his way or else. It's that simple.

As a result, the prequels are awful storytelling. Sorry to break it to you, GG. But they just are. I know how to write a script and if you can't justify or rationalise a character's actions (like I don't know...wholesale slaughter of a family (with children!) of sandpeople and then have Padme skip over it for no good reason?), then you're breaking the credibility of the story at its core.

Lucas consistently and egregiously breaks his own story time and again, either by having characters robbed of Common Sense or even believable reactions. These are his vision and have absolutely nothing to do with the story. And it's because noone is in a position to tell the head of Lucasfilm 'No'.

And I say all that as a preface to this reading of the films because we as viewers are forced to try and make a coherent viewing of the story that holds up as a story. We shouldn't have to be. We should be in the hands of a competent and consistent storyteller who isn't working in a vacuum, but we are.

And this is a storyteller who openly revises and makes sweeping changes to his own continuity. It lessens his credibility as a filmmaker because to me it comes off as a demonstration of a lack of faith in his own material. He sees it as flawed or not 'his vision' so he must change it. Constantly. It's the same way I felt when Spielberg made digital alterations to E.T. As a creative person, you're making a decision on the set on that day that is one that you should trust to serve your story. If you're coming back to it tweny years later or whatever, then you've by virtue of the passage of time lost your perspective that you had at that original moment.

Either trust in the material as it stands and don't try and revise it, thereby showing your own lack of confidence, or go and make something else. Anything else diminishes you as an artist, the respect of your peers, and more importantly your public. Because if you can't trust your work, how can they?



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--Everything above--
What your friend says about George Lucas, is your own choice to believe or not. I find it however rude to say he's a "ego-driven, eccentric and utterly used to getting his own way as anyone would ever suspect". Because, and here's a shock, it's *his* movie. *He* chooses what he puts in *his* story.

As for what makes a good movie. It is, and I'm sorry to say this, utterly rediculous that you make some kind of defenition of it. Or even objectify (or however you spell it, English is far from my 1st Language, sorry about that) it. Everyone likes a different genre, the fact that Golden Girl and I are 2 examples of people who don't think the movies are "awful" is an example of that. Sorry to say, but the movies you like are a subjective choice.

I also don't really understand what you mean with not being able to rationalise ones actions... believe it or not, there are people that have no problems killing entire families in real life, including children. Who you don't expect it of. And let padme skip over it, I don't know, his mother was killed... he was angry... what he did may be wrong but at some points you don't need yet another discussion in the movie about it.

Another thing I kind of disaggree with is this, i think his vision is his story.

If you don't like the story. Don't watch the movie.
If you don't understand the story. Don't watch the movie.
If you think the characters are not believeble. Don't watch the movie.
If you don't like the movie, don't suggest it to others.

It's really as simple as that I think. Also, I don't understand how you can be against updating your movies, years ago they didn't have the digital technology, so they used puppets. It didn't always look very good, but they had to deal with it. Now they have the technology, and unfortunatly with todays public they have to "upgrade" it, for both stop the complaining (FAKE!!!) as to make the movie have more sense (for example the emperor is replaced in the V and VI with the emperor from the III).

Please don't take any of this offensive or aggresive. But again, how much you like a movie is subjective. Because you don't like it, that doesn't mean nobody does. And if you don't like it, don't watch it. In my eyes, i think it's as simple as that.


 

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Also, I don't understand how you can be against updating your movies, years ago they didn't have the digital technology, so they used puppets.
A certain prominent filmmaker gave an eloquent speech against that sort of thing back in 1988:

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These current defacements are just the beginning. Today, engineers with their computers can add color to black-and-white movies, change the soundtrack, speed up the pace, and add or subtract material to the philosophical tastes of the copyright holder. Tommorrow, more advanced technology will be able to replace actors with "fresher faces," or alter dialogue and change the movement of the actor's lips to match. It will soon be possible to create a new "original" negative with whatever changes or alterations the copyright holder of the moment desires....

In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be "replaced" by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten...

Attention should be paid to this question of our soul, and not simply to accounting procedures. Attention should be paid to the interest of those who are yet unborn, who should be able to see this generation as it saw itself, and the past generation as it saw itself.
The person who gave that speech...was George Lucas.


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lol star wars rage