Blaster Changes? (I Fear)
By
Android_5Point9,
Posted on: 2012-06-20 09:56 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
Aren't they just taking a long overdue reworking of the old-style full drain, long recharge Nuke attacks, and maybe overhauling gimpy old /Devices?
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Rubberlad
Have folks been clamoring for blaster improvements all these years?
|
Really?
The City of Heroes Community is a special one and I will always look fondly on my times arguing, discussing and playing with you all. Thanks and thanks to the developers for a special experience.
Quote:
That would be the most obvious improvements. |
Originally Posted by Iannis
Aren't they just taking a long overdue reworking of the old-style full drain, long recharge Nuke attacks, and maybe overhauling gimpy old /Devices?
|
I doubt they're going to make any major changes.
Quote:
yes, they have, largely in regard with blasters percieved role as major damag dealers with little mitigation but actually not being quite as damaging.|
Originally Posted by Rubberlad
Have folks been clamoring for blaster improvements all these years? |
also, id expect snipes to get the once over, they really dont come up much in play, and I'm pretty sure they are heavily skipped.
Quote:
To be fair, I hadn't realized that the level of blaster-related angst was as high as it is until last week, when I chanced to visit the Archetypes and Powers subsection. From my reading there, it was obvious it'd been building up to a high level, high enough for developer attention, for a long time. (Having been around for quite a few years now, I know it's always been there; it ebbs and flows.)|
Originally Posted by EvilGeko
Really?
|
Put more simply, if you don't frequent the archetype boards, it's easy to miss this sort of thing.
"Bombarding the CoH/V fora with verbosity since January, 2006"
Djinniman, level 50 inv/fire tanker, on Victory
-and 40 others on various servers
A CoH Comic: Kid Eros in "One Light"
Quote:
Straight from the speedster's mouth:|
Originally Posted by Iannis
Aren't they just taking a long overdue reworking of the old-style full drain, long recharge Nuke attacks, and maybe overhauling gimpy old /Devices?
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Synapse
I will dispel this rumor now. THERE ARE NO PLANS FOR CHANGES BEING MADE TO NUKES IN I24!
*ahem* Anyhow, carry on with your speculation. *steeples fingers* It amuses me. *sips tea* Synapse |
I can't wait to find out, and can only hope for the best.
@Winter. Because I'm Winter. Period.
I am a blaster first, and an alt-oholic second.
There are guesses as to what will be announced, that's why I'm going to watch the stream and listen 
@bpphantom
The Defenders of Paragon
KGB Special Section 8
Quote:
I..don't...understand...|
Originally Posted by Winterminal
Straight from the speedster's mouth:
So whatever changes are being made to Blasters in i24, it does not involve T9 nukes. I can't wait to find out, and can only hope for the best. |
"Okay, we know T9 nukes suck, the last two blaster set had crash-less nukes, and we're trying to improve our old gameplay decisions to make playing blasters more fun.
But change the old nukes to be better? AHAHAHAHA YEAH RIGHT."
Quote:
Changing the nukes would do jack for those that don't take nukes.|
Originally Posted by Vyver
I..don't...understand...
"Okay, we know T9 nukes suck, the last two blaster set had crash-less nukes, and we're trying to improve our old gameplay decisions to make playing blasters more fun. But change the old nukes to be better? AHAHAHAHA YEAH RIGHT." |
I just don't think powers that root you for any amount of time are all that impressive, soooooo fixing nukes while nice, wouldn't really do much.
Keep in mind for many blasters there are 31 levels in which they don't have nukes.
Whatever adjustments they make need to be made to the AT as a whole, not just one or two powers. I don't think the devs fixing nukes and snipes and saying "okay to get the full benefit of the AT improvements you also MUST now pick these to mandatory powers" would go over well with most of the blaster community.
With that said I hope that they one day DO look at nukes and fix them, especially since we have that little beast called JUDGEMENT.
Also snipes.
EDIT: I say this because I don't think they'd fix the "standing still for a few secs while looking constipated" pre-nuke animation is going any where even if they do remove the crash, etc. Just a person issue of mine with the way nukes look. Unlike Judgement which you can fire on the go.
/shrug.
EDIT2: and they are talking about snipe fixes, RIGHT NOW!!!
http://www.twitch.tv/paragonstudios
Blazara Aura LVL 50 Fire/Psi Dom (with 125% recharge)
Flameboxer Aura LVL 50 SS/Fire Brute
Ice 'Em Aura LVL 50 Ice Tank
Darq Widow Fortune LVL 50 Fortunata (200% rech/Night Widow 192.5% rech)--thanks issue 19!
Quote:
Yeah, I never meant that fixing the nukes would be the only improvement, I just hoped at least it would be a part of it. Even if it was as simple as removing the crash to bring them up to the recent blaster sets.
|
Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
Changing the nukes would do jack for those that don't take nukes.
I just don't think powers that root you for any amount of time are all that impressive, soooooo fixing nukes while nice, wouldn't really do much. Keep in mind for many blasters there are 31 levels in which they don't have nukes. Whatever adjustments they make need to be made to the AT as a whole, not just one or two powers. I don't think the devs fixing nukes and snipes and saying "okay to get the full benefit of the AT improvements you also MUST now pick these to mandatory powers" would go over well with most of the blaster community. With that said I hope that they one day DO look at nukes and fix them, especially since we have that little beast called JUDGEMENT. Also snipes. |
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Vyver
Yeah, I never meant that fixing the nukes would be the only improvement, I just hoped at least it would be a part of it. Even if it was as simple as removing the crash to bring them up to the recent blaster sets.
|
Understood, btw:
they are talking about snipe fixes, RIGHT NOW!!! http://www.twitch.tv/paragonstudios
Blazara Aura LVL 50 Fire/Psi Dom (with 125% recharge)
Flameboxer Aura LVL 50 SS/Fire Brute
Ice 'Em Aura LVL 50 Ice Tank
Darq Widow Fortune LVL 50 Fortunata (200% rech/Night Widow 192.5% rech)--thanks issue 19!
Quote:
Please relay information!
|
Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
Understood, btw:
they are talking about snipe fixes, RIGHT NOW!!! http://www.twitch.tv/paragonstudios |
My guides:Dark Melee/Dark Armor/Soul Mastery, Illusion Control/Kinetics/Primal Forces Mastery, Electric Armor
"Dark Armor is a complete waste as a tanking set."
Quote:
increased range on blasts|
Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
Please relay information!
|
and to hit buffs decrease the firing speed of snipes!!!
improvements to blaster secondaries.
cloaking device adds regen and recovery. (ENHANCE-ABLE)
many blaster secondaries now give similar sustained abilities. they are still going over the others.
go to run to a meeting now. someone else will need to relay the rest. AWESOME SO FAR!!!
Blazara Aura LVL 50 Fire/Psi Dom (with 125% recharge)
Flameboxer Aura LVL 50 SS/Fire Brute
Ice 'Em Aura LVL 50 Ice Tank
Darq Widow Fortune LVL 50 Fortunata (200% rech/Night Widow 192.5% rech)--thanks issue 19!
Quote:
That's exactly right.|
Originally Posted by Olantern
Put more simply, if you don't frequent the archetype boards, it's easy to miss this sort of thing.
|
I don't read the AT forums, I don't crunch numbers, and I don't optimize my build every single time I roll a new toon. I'm a casual player with a *very* busy work schedule so I leave it to the brainiac forumites like Arcanaville to help make sure everything works right. That said, I know what feels comfortable when I play without mapping out the exact magic numbers involved, and I've never had any real issues with my blaster builds (even at cap level Incarnate content).
So if anyone said, told or otherwise misled the Devs to consider Blaster AT changes that weren't merited, I'm going to collect some ******* heads... (and I mean old school O-Ren Ishii style).
Do NOT touch the blaster AT unless its a really awesome change...
(bows and walks away with his Hatori Honzo sword sheathed - for now...)
Quote:
t9's are not very good for most powersets. Granite and TA are the only 2 sets made by their T9.|
Originally Posted by Vyver
I..don't...understand...
"Okay, we know T9 nukes suck, the last two blaster set had crash-less nukes, and we're trying to improve our old gameplay decisions to make playing blasters more fun. But change the old nukes to be better? AHAHAHAHA YEAH RIGHT." |
blasters needs a lot of help that fixing the nukes won't solve.
Quote:
I'm okay with these so far... |
Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
increased range on blasts
and to hit buffs decrease the firing speed of snipes!!! improvements to blaster secondaries. cloaking device adds regen and recovery. (ENHANCE-ABLE) many blaster secondaries now give similar sustained abilities. they are still going over the others. go to run to a meeting now. someone else will need to relay the rest. AWESOME SO FAR!!! |
Quote:
They just talked about it now, Snipe Attacks going get a buff with using Aim, giving you a quick Recharge. using Targeting Drone, Tactics or anything that increase Acc or whatever will Perma it.|
Originally Posted by Rubberlad
I love blasters (and I mean LOVE blasters) despite having the limited choice of secondaries they get. I've been playing my namesake (eng/eng) for eight years now and I just can't imagine how this AT could possibly change...
Have folks been clamoring for blaster improvements all these years? Or is there something else driving the changes to come in I24? |
40 Foot Attacks will be able to fire at longer Range always form Melee Range.
There Secondary powers will have a toggle, buff or heal that can keep them alive longer and lasting in a battle.
Never play another NcSoft game, If you feel pride for our game, then it as well, I Superratz am Proud of all of you Coh people, Love, Friendship will last for a lifetime.
Global:@Greenflame Ratz
Main Toons:Super Ratz, Burning B Radical, Green Flame Avenger, Tunnel Ratz, Alex Magnus
Quote:
Correction- the "quick recharge" was just the dev-hack for the demo- not the actual bonus.|
Originally Posted by GreenFIame
They just talked about it now, Snipe Attacks going get a buff with using Aim, giving you a quick Recharge. using Targeting Drone, Tactics or anything that increase Acc or whatever will Perma it.
|
Snipe is changed to have a short activation time (like fast assassin strike) when you have a tohit buff of (I think) +22%. So if you use build-up, aim, your team has stacks of Tactics, or eat 3 little yellow inspirations, you'll snipe with practically no interrupt time.
Depending on your situation, this could let you add the high-damage snipe into your regular attack chain.
This also applies to Corruptors and Defenders.
Quote:
|
40 Foot Attacks will be able to fire at longer Range always form Melee Range. |
Quote:
| There Secondary powers will have a toggle, buff or heal that can keep them alive longer and lasting in a battle. |
Quote:
That's incorrect. The Recharge was done by Dev cheating. The actually change is that when you have 22% +To Hit or higher a Snipe will be instant cast. This change effects all ATs with access to Sniper powers.|
Originally Posted by GreenFIame
They just talked about it now, Snipe Attacks going get a buff with using Aim, giving you a quick Recharge. using Targeting Drone, Tactics or anything that increase Acc or whatever will Perma it.
|
Quote:
| 40 Foot Attacks will be able to fire at longer Range always form Melee Range. |
Quote:
| There Secondary powers will have a toggle, buff or heal that can keep them alive longer and lasting in a battle. |
Quote:
Also applies to any Scrappers or Stalkers who have a PPP snipe.|
Originally Posted by Chase_Arcanum
This also applies to Corruptors and Defenders.
|
Beam Rifle also has a 100% chance for disintegration spread with their snipe, so that should be fun too.
In short, there has been a consistent and very longstanding complaint about Blaster performance, and this has only grown louder and louder as the gap between Blaster performance and that of virtually everyone else becomes more and more obvious. Since the beginning of time, their design has been all over the place - snipes, nukes, damage auras, "death" built into their class balance, the notion of range as defence and so forth. Occasionally when playing anything, you'll run into an "old" power that seems weak or out of place, but exists because it hasn't been messed with. For Blasters, their whole set of signature powers is exactly this.
I fear at this point there's nothing that can get me to play Blasters again. I put my money where my mouth was and removed three level 50 Blasters and two level 42 Blasters (one just last night), so there's no going back, but it still makes me happy that the AT is getting an improvement.
As far as I'm concerned, the whole "snipe" mechanic is garbage, and with so many Blaster primaries having that as one of only three single-target attacks, making snipes not suck will be a MAJOR victory. Giving Blasters some degree of survivability, or at the very least downtime recovery, is also a good call, since my Blasters tend to spend more time waiting on health to recover than all my other characters combined.
Blasters have always been able to achieve the same tasks as anyone else. My ultimate hope for their new changes is that they will no longer have to work twice as hard as the least potent anything else to do so.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
|
Interesting but I'm not sure how much difference these will really make. The snipe change still won't be a big help with mid-combat use unless folks are walking around with signifacant To-Hit buffs. Buffing the range on short attacks is nice, but hardly a game changer. So it really comes down to the strength of the defensive buffs and where they fall.
I love blasters (and I mean LOVE blasters) despite having the limited choice of secondaries they get. I've been playing my namesake (eng/eng) for eight years now and I just can't imagine how this AT could possibly change...
Have folks been clamoring for blaster improvements all these years? Or is there something else driving the changes to come in I24?