Words allowed in names


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Originally Posted by DarkGob View Post
That's some awesome sexist anecdotal "evidence" there. You don't suppose that maybe had more to do with her age than it did her gender, do you?
How is being ageist any better?


 

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Originally Posted by monkeyslap View Post
To those I may have offended I'm sorry. My opinion about women was false, but the news report on the subject was true.

I did this as a test to prove a point: people can be easily offended by words. Whether it is a character name in a MMO, or just you politely expressing your opinion of an observation in life. It sucks that people can be so easily offended and hopefully one day humanity will learn not to be. But until then we have to strive to better ourselves and try to have consideration for others.

Sorry for the mild uproar I caused, but hopefully you can see the point.

And yes, my "observation" was not true about women. Men can be just as easily offended.

Edited for typos 'cause I'm a N00B.
Hate to break the news to ya, but if people were offended by that previous post it wouldn't read "Last edited by monkeyslap" It would say "Last edited by Moderater #" and everyone that quoted you would have their posts modded as well.


 

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Originally Posted by Red_Raccoon View Post
I've never heard of anyone having a character name genericized for containing the words good, angel or heaven, and I very much doubt I ever will. Using the formal name of a deity can be problematic because of the potential to use it in ways offense to the worshipers of that deity, but for the record I have a friend who does have a character whose name contains the word "God" (Hammer of God or some such, I think) and it has never been genericized in 3 years.
*shrug* I've seen it. Just because you have not does not mean it does not happen. Just because your friend has lasted 3 years with God in his name does not mean he will get to keep it tomorrow should someone be offended (or pretend to be offended) and petition him.


 

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Originally Posted by MikeRobe View Post
You'll be fine. This is one of the weird double-standards I cannot figure out. Any references to evil, Satan, demons, hell is "ok" but references to good, 'God, angels, heaven is not. I don't want to turn this into a religious discussion or anything of the sort, this is just my observation.
Angel, and Heaven are safe for the most part but references to the judeau christian god, and jesus may be grounds for genericing


 

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*shrug* I've seen it.
Then can you give an example of some of the names you have seen genericized? And, do you know what explanation was given for the action?

I do not believe City of Heroes has a policy against using the words Good, Angel, or Heaven, and I do not believe that they would genericize a name simply for including any of those words. However, that does not mean a name including one of those words couldn't be genericized for another reason. Angel, for example, is the name of a copyrighted comic book character, so you would have to be very careful how that word was used in a name.

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Just because you have not does not mean it does not happen.
I would also like to point out that the converse is also true; just because you haven't seen a name genericizedfor including the words evil, devil, or hell doesn't mean it never happens. However, while undoubtedly such names have been genericized on occasion, I doubt that any of those words by themselves were the issue.


 

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Angel, and Heaven are safe for the most part but references to the judeau christian god, and jesus may be grounds for genericing
I know at least one character that has Jesus in his name. There are likely others as well.

Don't forget, Jesus is also a Hispanic name. Jesus Alou was one of the Alou brothers that played professional baseball, Jesus Guevara was a Venezuelan boxer (several boxers from various countries have been named Jesus), Jesus Quintana was a character in the film The Big Lebowski, James Jesus Angleton was the Associate Deputy Director of Operations for Counter-Intelligence of the CIA (ADDOCI) from 1954 to 1975, and too many more to list.


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How is being ageist any better?
At least in that case it would be referencing a generation clash (not so much an ageism thing).


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I know at least one character that has Jesus in his name. There are likely others as well.

Don't forget, Jesus is also a Hispanic name. Jesus Alou was one of the Alou brothers that played professional baseball, Jesus Guevara was a Venezuelan boxer (several boxers from various countries have been named Jesus), Jesus Quintana was a character in the film The Big Lebowski, James Jesus Angleton was the Associate Deputy Director of Operations for Counter-Intelligence of the CIA (ADDOCI) from 1954 to 1975, and too many more to list.
Now you did it, I'm getting flashbacks to The Big Lebowski.


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How is being ageist any better?
Because an older person was raised in a time when cursing was considered a lot more rude than it is today, so they're more likely to find it offensive. It's not ageist unless you suggest that an arbitrary old person who has not expressed their opinion on cursing would be offended, because you're drawing a conclusion based on their age. In this case, we already know that the older woman in the article was offended, so it's not unreasonable to assume that her age is the reason why. And this really only applies to the current generation of old people, it wouldn't be applicable 20, 30, 40 years down the line. So, not ageist. Generationist if anything, but again, not even that in this case since we already know what the woman believes. Nice try though, A for effort.

re: monkeyslap's hilarious backpedaling: lol


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re: monkeyslap's hilarious backpedaling: lol
Wha? Here is my response to THAT:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcGQpjCztgA

(Although I've never been to college, but you get the picture)


 

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Wha? Here is my response to THAT:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcGQpjCztgA

(Although I've never been to college, but you get the picture)
So you're saying you were backpedaling and you can't spell?


 

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Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn View Post
I once tried to get the name "Hymenoptera" for a character, and found that I couldn't get it. Thought that was odd, considering that it's the order name for a bunch of insects, including wasps. I asked a GM about it, and he said that he couldn't tell, but thought it was because it contained the word "hymen" and it was being filtered.
That means that they must have tweaked the naming filters at some point, because I have a waspy Plant/Storm controller called Hymenoptera.


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Maybe it's not in the filter and Aett tried to make that character on the server where you already had the name.


 

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Originally Posted by Cinderhead View Post
Maybe it's not in the filter and Aett tried to make that character on the server where you already had the name.
Nope, checked with support...name wasn't taken. This was like two years ago, though.


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So you're saying you were backpedaling and you can't spell?
Of course I can spell. That's what I use Google for.

I mean......

Hey! Isn't that the Manticoremobile?

*Runs away*


 

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Nope, checked with support...name wasn't taken. This was like two years ago, though.
That makes me wonder if the EU and US server lists used to have different filters, because I've had that name for a while -- she's listed as joining her SG in October 2008. Maybe us Euro type are trusted with more naughty words :-)

Anyway, it seems to be okayed now, so grab it while you can!


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Because an older person was raised in a time when cursing was considered a lot more rude than it is today, so they're more likely to find it offensive. It's not ageist unless you suggest that an arbitrary old person who has not expressed their opinion on cursing would be offended, because you're drawing a conclusion based on their age. In this case, we already know that the older woman in the article was offended, so it's not unreasonable to assume that her age is the reason why. And this really only applies to the current generation of old people, it wouldn't be applicable 20, 30, 40 years down the line. So, not ageist. Generationist if anything, but again, not even that in this case since we already know what the woman believes. Nice try though, A for effort.

re: monkeyslap's hilarious backpedaling: lol
Except many people conform to society as the get older and have kids of their own. Then you get the pressure from the grandparents who don't find the 4 year old cussing like a sailor "adorable".

I admit there is creep in our acceptable language word list. There are words that I consider quite mundane that my mother vehemently objects to. Last night I was watching Rizzoli and Isles (hey I'm a sucker for a couple of pretty dames ) with close captioning on and the language that was allowed on the air that was censored in the close captioning was hilarious (several different B starting words were allowed to be spoken but not spelled out in CC).


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Last night I was watching Rizzoli and Isles (hey I'm a sucker for a couple of pretty dames ) with close captioning on and the language that was allowed on the air that was censored in the close captioning was hilarious (several different B starting words were allowed to be spoken but not spelled out in CC).
Interesting. Maybe Grouchybeast is right and we are more trusted with "naughty" words in Europe. I've never seen closed captioning that censored words that weren't censored when spoken, in fact I have a vague recollection of seeing the opposite at least once.




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Well, I have a little-played character named "The Thrice-Damned Mother," and she'd never drawn any GM attention. (Concept is she lost three children in a fire, went mad, and now controls three Fire Imps as a Dominator).

So I'm betting it was indeed the "G" word that did you in.


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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project View Post
That's always been the way it worked. Several years ago I had to rename a character because someone was offened by the word Phart. I laughed at it and renamed the character the same name in another language.
*Goes from server to server reporting "Le Phart" as offensive*


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Except many people conform to society as the get older and have kids of their own. Then you get the pressure from the grandparents who don't find the 4 year old cussing like a sailor "adorable".
Still not the point. The woman behind the swearing fine idea was offended.

It's just not the same as saying "Person is behaving in manner Y because they are race/gender X".


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Interesting. Maybe Grouchybeast is right and we are more trusted with "naughty" words in Europe. I've never seen closed captioning that censored words that weren't censored when spoken, in fact I have a vague recollection of seeing the opposite at least once.
Not surprising at all. I spent a few years in Europe and at the end of it all, I decided that Europe was like America except way better. YMMV but this sums it up:

- uptightness about nudity on beaches...nope
- uptightness about drinking alchohol at an early age...nope
- uptightness about recreational drug use...nope
- uptightness about "race"...nope
- etc etc

I think Im going to retire there somewhere.


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The game itself acts like a censor. I wanted to name my three MM thug pets as Tom, Dick and Harry. It would let me name Tom and Harry but not Dick - even though Dick was only a shortened version of Richard, in this instance. (Any Tom, Dick or Harry used to be a favourite expression of my mum's). So I guess Dick is one of the censored words in the game.


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I have a toon by the name of HugePackage. Its the largest toon you can possibly make and is a brute. However the name was due to the very large size of the character and nothing else. I have not gotten any complaints about it. So I guess it depends on the person doing the reporting.


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The game itself acts like a censor. I wanted to name my three MM thug pets as Tom, Dick and Harry. It would let me name Tom and Harry but not Dick - even though Dick was only a shortened version of Richard, in this instance. (Any Tom, Dick or Harry used to be a favourite expression of my mum's). So I guess Dick is one of the censored words in the game.
Unfortunately the game can't determine a players intent when choosing a name, and far too often assuming the worst about censoring certain words turns out to be the right thing to do.