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Originally Posted by HYBRID_Z
While a statue would be cool of both statesman and sister psych, I think a museum or one central building dedicated as a memorial would be even better. This space could commemorate things from game lore/history.
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Some kind of statue garden would be cool- if they were in a building most people would never see 'em.
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Maybe have it an enclosed garden, like the kind you see on one of Atlas' rooftops? It would give it an enclosed feel but people would still be able to come in and out, examine the place, roleplay if they're into that sort of thing, etc.|
Originally Posted by Nethergoat
Good idea.
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It would be nice to get M1's statue in Blyde Square replaced, though. And a little bit funny to have giant Statesman looming over Positron's back.
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Might be better to ask for exactly a memorial garden. A collection of all the dead heroes in one spot...
...perhaps even as a backdrop to another death-themed TF/Trial.
Edit: The Boulevard of Heroes as well as scattered monuments that we have now. Sorta like what Praetoria has, but somewhere Well-themed.
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you know what would be a good existing spot, in the rotunda of the city hall in Atlas.
Already statutes there, everyone visits at some time or another...
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I definitely hope there is a Statesman statue, and I suppose Psyche as well (just hadn't thought of that myself!).
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On Dungeons and dragons Online, they have a memorial to Gary Gigax. Its a mossy monument with special music, lighting and little fluttering butterflies.
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How about a statue with a history plaque? Maybe a history badge just about them.
Replacing the (redundant, IMO) statue of M1 in Steel with the Statesman is, again IMO, the best idea I've seen from this thread.
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As a returning player who levelled up during the Statesman era, I think a Statesman (and Sister Psyche) statue and/or outdoor memorial would be a great idea.
In fact, they should host an in-game event at the "grand opening" of the memorial - on multiple servers and multiple times so everyone has a chance to attend one =)
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In fact, they should host an in-game event at the "grand opening" of the memorial - on multiple servers and multiple times so everyone has a chance to attend one =)
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He was here. She was here. They were integrated in the game, and therefore in our lore as the playing characters in the game. A tribute, annoying as it might be to some because of what States and Sister P means to some (Jack), wouldn't be a bad thing. |
I did and do care about the characters of States and Sister Psyche, despite the occasional bad writing the character suffered. In the game lore and canon they were important. If not some of THE most important, and some of the oldest, Heroes of Paragon.
To remain consistent with canon and lore, they NEED statues or a memorial or something. It is that simple.
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I would heartily support this as the perfect location for a statue of States-tard.|
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He's gone, RIP, good riddance.
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Why not just replace the thing Jim Temblor stands next to with a States one?
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Statesman kick your puppy or something?
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Originally Posted by Atilla_The_Pun
I would heartily support this as the perfect location for a statue of States-tard.
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Jack Emmert, forever associated with States, is an ***, a Suit of the worst type. The best thing that ever happened to CoH was his departure, and this game has gone nowhere but up since he left.|
Originally Posted by Xzero45
Statesman kick your puppy or something?
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No memorial, let his name be forgotten.
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I don't think this is a good idea. The scrap iron statue near Temblor actually has a symbollic meaning to Overbrook. I forget exactly what that is now since it's been years since I last read the plaque, but I believe it has something to do with rebuilding people's lives and raising up to recover from disaster, as opposed to shrinking from it and running away.|
Originally Posted by Kheprera
Why not just replace the thing Jim Temblor stands next to with a States one?
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If we're looking to get rid of a monument, I'd say getting rid of the giant M1 statue is a better call, since I never knew the guy even had a name until this thread.
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While a statue would be cool of both statesman and sister psych, I think a museum or one central building dedicated as a memorial would be even better. This space could commemorate things from game lore/history.
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I'm sure we can come up with enough stuff to fill in a museum, and it'd be cool to have some more culture in Paragon City.
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Jack Emmert, forever associated with States, is an ***, a Suit of the worst type. The best thing that ever happened to CoH was his departure, and this game has gone nowhere but up since he left.
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Jack=!Statesman
Jack was, by all accounts, a daft wazzock who we are indeed best rid of. Statesman, however, was an integral part of the CoHverse story and canon who, in consistency with the story as only one of the best know, most respected Heroes who ever lived (despite some moments of bad writing), would have a statue or memorial to him without any question whatsoever.
To put it in simple terms; Superman somehow died, and stayed dead. There would be a massive statue or memorial to him. Without doubt. Same for Captain America, or any of the big, iconic and well known Heroes that people liked 90% of the time(I doubt they'd put one up to Hulk or Wolverine or Batman, for example)
Statesman is in that bracket. He would get a statue. NOT doing so is just a bad an Emmertism as anything else, and shows that the character wasn't removed for any real, meaningful reason for plot advancement, and was just done for self service and spite. And THAT crap is not cool.
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You had me until this last part. I like the suggestion of adding a statue of Statesman to the city somewhere, I support the idea of it happening, I hope it eventually ends up making its way into the game. But I don't demand it be implemented, I don't insist it has to happen, and if it doesn't ever come to pass, that doesn't somehow prove anything with regards to some vendetta people assume the current dev team has against Jack Emmert. It's not my place to make those kinds of judgments. Putting the statue in would indeed be, to a point, a demonstration of "no hard feelings" toward Statesman. Not putting it in wouldn't be a demonstration of the opposite. It wouldn't be a demonstration of anything.|
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
NOT doing so is just a bad an Emmertism as anything else, and shows that the character wasn't removed for any real, meaningful reason for plot advancement, and was just done for self service and spite. And THAT crap is not cool.
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If we never get a Statesman statue, all that "shows" is that the dev team decided to put their time, effort and budget into... whatever it is we end up getting instead.
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People always seem to like exaggerating how "bad" Jack Emmert was, especially based on other people's exaggeration hearsay, when the man is nowhere near the monster he's made out to be. Sure, Jack Emmert had some bad ideas, infamously the "1 hero = 3 white minions" one, but the guy was first and foremost trying to make a good game. He gets heckled for comparing City of Heroes to Super Mario, for instance, when all he meant was he didn't believe every task should be instantly solvable by anyone on the first try. Jack Emmert believed that failing and learning from our mistakes was an integral part of any game, and even someone who likes an easy game as myself, I can still agree with this.
Jack Emmert is most heckled for lying about ED. Around I5, he was quoted as saying "No more major power changes." Then a few months later ED hit and people started calling him a liar, when what the man was was simply a fool who really had no business posting as openly as he did. Jack's comment was regarding the at-the-time belief that every Issue would have some kind of Regen nerf, this coming on the heels of Instant Healing being made from a badly overpowered toggle to a decent click, and coming on the heels of the GDN where all defensive powers were slashed down to about a fifth and Controller AoE control duration was cut in half while recharge was doubled and pet stacking was taken away. As Jack explained it, he was thinking about changes to powers, whereas what ED was was a change to enhancements. Maybe it's just that this really didn't change my powers almost at all since I wasn't 6-slotting my attacks for damage and my Hasten for recharge anyway, but to me it seemed more like he put his foot in his mouth than that he intentionally lied.
Jack Emmert is not a somehow evil person. He's not even all that bad as a game designer, honestly. Sure, Champions Online sucked, but as I heard Jack had relatively little to do with it, and it sucked because it abandoned a lot of the innovations to City of Heroes that Jack himself spearheaded, like instanced missions. That, and Marvel and MicroSoft really screwed Cryptic Studios and put them in a right bind when they pulled out of what would have been the Marvel MMO. Sure, as a game designer, Jack REALLY needs some serious oversight in the same way as Peter Molineaux, but given what we've seen over the last few years, he's hardly the only one. And besides, for as much as people dislike his "my vision" approach to game design, the guy was one incredibly good about keeping the game's lore in check and about trying to expand its story as well as its gameplay.
Jack Emmert is not evil, he is not incompetent and he is not a horrible person. Sure, City of Heroes has done considerably better without him, in no small part thanks to a massive reinvestment by NCsoft (and we've seen how that went with Going Rogue), but in no way should that make the character of the Statesman "hated." He is the face of the game and the fictional world's premier hero. He deserves a commemorative statue no less so than Cyrus Thompson.
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Actually I don't care a lot of death of Statesman but loss of Sister Psyche made me sad. Penelope is annoying brat. I don't like her but Sister Psyche was my favourite female npc. Maybe I'll start to build resurrection machine for Sister Psyche
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That, and Marvel and MicroSoft really screwed Cryptic Studios and put them in a right bind when they pulled out of what would have been the Marvel MMO.
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Paragon Studios never had anything to do with the Marvel MMO. That was all Cryptic Studios.
Paragon Studios wasn't around until long after NCSoft bought out Cryptic's portion of City of Heroes in November 2007. At first they just called the studio NCSoft NorCal (NCNC for short) then rebranded it with the Paragon Studios name in April 2009.
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Well said, Techbot and Sam.
I've no great love for the designer myself, but the character is iconic and should be recognized. And clumsy, misguided attempts to remove stuff from the game and pretend it never existed have always bothered me, going all the way back to how the Fifth Column was (badly) handled - all for, as it turned out, reasons that ended up never happening.
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Personally, I think a giant Talos style statue in the harbor in IP would be cool, set it far back on an island of it's own, maybe centered so you can see it from the ship where Ms Liberty is now.
I'd rather see the M1 statue replaced with Sister Psyche, giving a female hero a statue of that size would say alot about her stature in the hero community.
Last, wouldn't it be neat if there was a memorial wall in the little park area directly in front of Ms Lib in Atlas. the wall could have a history plaque with a blurb and location for each statue in game, if no statue present, it could have a blurb about a fallen hero. As the game kills off more heroes, as I'm sure it will, they could keep adding to the memorial wall.
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What Sam and Techbot said. I couldn't have said it better.
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M1 (the statue by Posi/Valk in Steel Canyon) can be replaced by Statesman. He already has a statue in Galaxy, and I think he also exists in Peregrine Island's "random assortment of statues, including voyeur girl peering into an apartment building".
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