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Originally Posted by Doctor Roswell
You had me until this last part. I like the suggestion of adding a statue of Statesman to the city somewhere, I support the idea of it happening, I hope it eventually ends up making its way into the game. But I don't demand it be implemented, I don't insist it has to happen, and if it doesn't ever come to pass, that doesn't somehow prove anything with regards to some vendetta people assume the current dev team has against Jack Emmert. It's not my place to make those kinds of judgments. Putting the statue in would indeed be, to a point, a demonstration of "no hard feelings" toward Statesman. Not putting it in wouldn't be a demonstration of the opposite. It wouldn't be a demonstration of anything.
If we never get a Statesman statue, all that "shows" is that the dev team decided to put their time, effort and budget into... whatever it is we end up getting instead. |
Personally, I have no particular investment in any of the big-names of the game insofar as to feel some sort of insult that what is or isn't done for the characters of Statesman and Sister Psyche has some emotional grudge attached. If a statue or memorial is erected or if they were removed from the active license of this game are not exclusive moral conclusions to me.
If there was a reason to remove the characters, a statue doesn't act as some peace offering or sign of 'no hard feelings' so much as demanding one be an act of defiance to their decision of removing the character in the first place.
If the devs truly felt hostile about the character removal, they could have simply deleted all instances of mentioning him and be done. But they didn't do that, did they? Or even just mention him dying off camera? Signature Story Arc could be considered a type of memorial right now. But many of the wishes for a memorial in this thread sound like backhanded attempts at getting even with the current devs for some reason.
Calling it like I see it.
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Nope, just wanting the canon and lore to be accurate and, more importantly, consistent with itself. It didn't help that Psyche's death was a massive case of idiot ball catching when it came to story.
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Originally Posted by Leo_G
If the devs truly felt hostile about the character removal, they could have simply deleted all instances of mentioning him and be done. But they didn't do that, did they? Or even just mention him dying off camera? Signature Story Arc could be considered a type of memorial right now. But many of the wishes for a memorial in this thread sound like backhanded attempts at getting even with the current devs for some reason. Calling it like I see it. |
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
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As someone who's a fan of the Tanker Tuesday events I wouldn't be opposed to a Statesman statue being placed at the IP gate in King's Row. 
Of course I'd also be happy if they "relocated" M1's statue there as well since he does have the Tank badge in the Echo:Galaxy City. 
Throwing darts at the board to see if something sticks.....
Come show your resolve and fight my brute!
Tanks: Gauntlet, the streak breaker and you!
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Originally Posted by PapaSlade
Rangle's right....this is fun.
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Which they were in the process of doing when they renamed the old Statesman and Psyche badges to be about Positron and Penny Yin. Luckily, extremely negative feedback got the team to preserve those badges in Ouroboros and simply create new ones for Posi and Penny.
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Originally Posted by Leo_G
If the devs truly felt hostile about the character removal, they could have simply deleted all instances of mentioning him and be done.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Fair enough. I'll separate the two of them in my thinking.|
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Jack=!Statesman
To put it in simple terms; Superman somehow died, and stayed dead. There would be a massive statue or memorial to him. Without doubt. Same for Captain America, or any of the big, iconic and well known Heroes that people liked 90% of the time(I doubt they'd put one up to Hulk or Wolverine or Batman, for example) Statesman is in that bracket. He would get a statue. |
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If we never get a Statesman statue, all that "shows" is that the dev team decided to put their time, effort and budget into... whatever it is we end up getting instead. |
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I like the commemorative garden idea. But to continue on with my museum idea...I would like to see 3d holograms of the characters instead of statues. I would love to see multiple holograms of Statesman through the years displaying his multiple costumes and would like to see holograms of the original freedom phalanx from the web of arachnos book. While statues are cool I think we need something new and different.
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The person who would build the statue (an art asset) would not be capable of fixing Masterminds (a coding issue).
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Originally Posted by Atilla_The_Pun
Any effort that could be devoted towards a new statue (to anyone) would, IMO, much better serve the paying customers by fixing the huge list of issues with Masterminds.
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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Statements like the one you are responding to here, Agge, always confuse me.|
Originally Posted by Aggelakis
The person who would build the statue (an art asset) would not be capable of fixing Masterminds (a coding issue).
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It's like asking a magazine copy editor why he is reading copy when he should be over there making donuts for the office. Maybe he is good at making donuts... but he is doing his job over *here* as a copy editor. Let him do it.
I fondly remember when BaB said something to the effect of "sure, let me just *animate* that problem away."
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One of the "problems" (and I use the term loosely) with MMs is that the Henchmen aren't customizable.|
Originally Posted by Aggelakis
The person who would build the statue (an art asset) would not be capable of fixing Masterminds (a coding issue).
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Every other AT's primary powerset is customizable. Why not MMs? Just some colorable patches on the bots, variations on the demon skin tones or mottling, different shirt colors for thugs, etc.
I don't believe that a coder is required for that one.
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Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven
I fondly remember when BaB said something to the effect of "sure, let me just *animate* that problem away."
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
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Yep, lots of coding involved in that. How else do you get the different options to be selectable? Otherwise you just have some extra art assets in the game files, with no links to them in the interface or in the code. I think, perhaps, you don't know your way around coding something simple, let alone something as complex as an eight-year-old video game.
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Originally Posted by Atilla_The_Pun
One of the "problems" (and I use the term loosely) with MMs is that the Henchmen aren't customizable.
Every other AT's primary powerset is customizable. Why not MMs? Just some colorable patches on the bots, variations on the demon skin tones or mottling, different shirt colors for thugs, etc. I don't believe that a coder is required for that one. |
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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Not particularly fond of the idea of replacing M1 in Steel. Frankly, all we need there is a plaque - it's *really* nice that the statue can be of "someone unknown" and hold pride of place in Steel.
Stick him behind whatserface in Peregrine.
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Far too much like Tyrant, IMHO. Yes, different reason, but look at our three areas:| Personally I would love to see Statesman on top of city hall, posed as if he were holding up the flagpole. |
- Praetoria: Statue of Tyrant front and center.
- Mercy Island - Statue of Recluse overlooking the trainers.
- Atlas: Statue of... Atlas.
I don't think, as a character, he'd want to be associated with the same imagery as Recluse and Tyrant, even with a different history.
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Originally Posted by Atilla_The_Pun
One of the "problems" (and I use the term loosely) with MMs is that the Henchmen aren't customizable.
Every other AT's primary powerset is customizable. Why not MMs? Just some colorable patches on the bots, variations on the demon skin tones or mottling, different shirt colors for thugs, etc. I don't believe that a coder is required for that one. |
Apparently MM customisation is a big old hurdle for more than one reason, partly to do with UI, coding and other stuff. Along with simply having the time for it, given how far in advance the Dev team works.
Believe me, I WANT them to fix the gorramn pet AI so I can stomach playing my damn level 50 Bots/Traps MM again without putting my fist through the screen in frustration when they all go and try and punch a melee AV in the face. I would also like customisation. However, that has nothing whatsoever to do with the price of tea in China, and nothing to do with environmental art assets. (Other than the fact they both need coding time at one point or another...)
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
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A good place for a memorial garden would be across the street from atlas having ms liberty facing the memorial. Have new players enter atlas in this area would be a good way to commemorate this game's history.
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You'd be wrong. But, well... *shrug*
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Originally Posted by Atilla_The_Pun
I don't believe that a coder is required for that one.
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Originally Posted by Aggelakis
The person who would build the statue (an art asset) would not be capable of fixing Masterminds (a coding issue).
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Originally Posted by Aggelakis
Yep, lots of coding involved in that. How else do you get the different options to be selectable? Otherwise you just have some extra art assets in the game files, with no links to them in the interface or in the code. I think, perhaps, you don't know your way around coding something simple, let alone something as complex as an eight-year-old video game.
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I'm out of this thread, call me when you sober up.
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Yeah, primarily lack of dev interest.|
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Apparently MM customisation is a big old hurdle for more than one reason...
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Anyway, see my post above this one.
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Originally Posted by Atilla_The_Pun
Please make up your mind which side of your mouth you want to talk out of.
I'm out of this thread, call me when you sober up. |
In the first post, I said an artist can't code Mastermind fixes.
In the second post, I said an artist makes art assets, and coders put them into the game, and maybe you need to learn about what constitutes coding.
Call me when you learn how to read, maybe? I don't even know.
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I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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"Hey, Ms. Liberty. I know you're grieving and all, but we went ahead and installed a statue of your dead grandfather right across the street from where you work. Staring right at you.|
Originally Posted by HYBRID_Z
A good place for a memorial garden would be across the street from atlas having ms liberty facing the memorial. Have new players enter atlas in this area would be a good way to commemorate this game's history.
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Judging you.
With his cold, dead eyes.
Well, have a great day!"
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If she were grieving, she would've used/tried using that resurrection ritual from Spring on Statesman, or maybe even her own mother who also died during that arc. Instead she brought back Recluse's former flame who also happens to be a deadly, cunning super villain in her own right.
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Originally Posted by Kosh_Naranek
"Hey, Ms. Liberty. I know you're grieving and all, but we went ahead and installed a statue of your dead grandfather right across the street from where you work. Staring right at you.
Judging you. With his cold, dead eyes. Well, have a great day!" |
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Hero 1 (and the rest of the Omega Team) has an underground memorial as part of the Level 20 Cape Mission.
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Originally Posted by Power_NA
Oh good so it not just me. Though maybe I ran by him a million times and not knew he was there.
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Is it time for the dance of joy yet?
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Originally Posted by DreamWeaver
Hero 1 (and the rest of the Omega Team) has an underground memorial as part of the Level 20 Cape Mission.
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An underground memorial is not a statue.
The claim was made that there were statues of Hero 1 and everyone else.
We asked where the statue of Hero 1 was that they were talking about.
There is none.
If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.
Black Pebble is my new hero.
I might point out that in real life when some one of consequence dies it some times takes a while for a statue to be made, I would suspect that since they said they where slowly redoing the city like they did atlas that at some point he will have a statue they may even do like they did for the arenas and have a construction site with him at various stages of completion, but story line wise the guy just died and unless they have some hero with stone control abilities stomp on the ground making one shoot up out of the earth it will take normal people some time :P
I don't think we need much for old States AND Sister P. The city is full of too many giant, tacky statues. Maybe a nice, regular sized statue and plaque of these two in Atlas.
And it wouldn't take much effort at all. Pose Statesman and Sister Psyche heroically. Give them a stone texture. Place them somewhere respectful. Bam. If they could tweak the lighting and sky on First Ward and call it a whole new zone, they can put up a measly statue of their greatest heroes as tribute.