Vanity Travel powers need to remember toggles
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Posted on: 2012-05-11 09:20 in Suggestions and Ideas
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This animation was activating with some toogles but lately seems to be happening too when receiving the buff from the Mystic fortune.|
Originally Posted by Arbiter Warrant
Lucky666 -
When you say "Dragon's Tail" are you referring to the leg sweep animation? It appears when you have your "Staff out"? Meaning you have the Staff Fighting powerset, and it only happens when you have recently clicked a power and the staff still appears in your character's hands? And then Mystic Fortune is cast on you by another player? If so - PM me would you? And let me know where you saw this - on a Live server, or Beta... I would appreciate it! Arbiter Warrant |
Its funny at beginning, quite annoying after a while.
While we on it... Would be better if toogles auto activate without casting an animation. We would avoid the silly chest beating from fighting pool Tough among other things.
Just let ur characters alone while we activate toogles, on the run. No annoying stop for activation while moving.
Thanks for reading.
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All self-affecting-only and ally-affecting-only toggles activation animations are interruptible (meaning they don't root you, and will not play if you're doing something else like running or playing an emote).
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Originally Posted by Angelxman81
While we on it... Would be better if toogles auto activate without casting an animation. We would avoid the silly chest beating from fighting pool Tough among other things.
Just let ur characters alone while we activate toogles, on the run. No annoying stop for activation while moving. |
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Originally Posted by Dispari
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Originally Posted by Lucky666
They say this is the case but then how come when my Staff is out and I get mystic fortune cast of me I do a dragons tail. Did they animate staff so it could do dragons tail and if so why? What's the real deal I wonder?
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Originally Posted by Arbiter Warrant
Lucky666 -
When you say "Dragon's Tail" are you referring to the leg sweep animation? It appears when you have your "Staff out"? Meaning you have the Staff Fighting powerset, and it only happens when you have recently clicked a power and the staff still appears in your character's hands? And then Mystic Fortune is cast on you by another player? If so - PM me would you? And let me know where you saw this - on a Live server, or Beta... I would appreciate it! Arbiter Warrant |
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Originally Posted by Tymers_Realm
If this is the animation bug I think it is (Player receiving a Fortune and doing the Dragon Tail Animation), I've noticed it randomly on Characters of varying Powersets and ATs. I've been seeing this on the Live Servers for a good month or more, I believe. It's annoying, but not game-breaking.
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Same here. And as I recall, last I checked it was happening on my WP tanker when he activated one of his toggles as well. I thought there was discussion about this bug in beta at some point, so I just assumed it was known and would be addressed in time.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Yeah it been happening to me as well whenever I received or cast Mystic Fortune on another player. It has nothing to do with a staff being out, because it happened on several different AT's.
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Is said toggle Heightened Senses?|
Originally Posted by Tenzhi
Same here. And as I recall, last I checked it was happening on my WP tanker when he activated one of his toggles as well. I thought there was discussion about this bug in beta at some point, so I just assumed it was known and would be addressed in time.
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If so, it uses the same "looking around" animation that is supposed to be played when you receive a Fortune. So maybe the bug is connected to that.
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I think so. It may be happening on my Super Reflexes character as well, but I haven't been playing him so much lately. I'll check when I get a chance this weekend. Like I said: I thought this was already a known issue.
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Originally Posted by Kazz
Is said toggle Heightened Senses?
If so, it uses the same "looking around" animation that is supposed to be played when you receive a Fortune. So maybe the bug is connected to that. |
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I run into this problem with Heightened Senses. It even shows thae leg sweep in the icon tailor's power customization.
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Originally Posted by Kazz
Is said toggle Heightened Senses?
If so, it uses the same "looking around" animation that is supposed to be played when you receive a Fortune. So maybe the bug is connected to that. |
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Originally Posted by Lothic
It's actually probably safe to say that everyone would prefer it to work this way.
Doesn't mean it's going to happen. No one really likes travel suppression either yet we've had it in this game for years. It's a game balance mechanic. The Devs could have easily made this thing work in a way that would have allowed toggles to automatically reactivate after shutting off the travel power yet they DIDN'T make it work like that. The reason for that almost couldn't be more obvious to me. *shrugs* |
Can I just say I think you're *way* off base? I don't agree it's a balance mechanic for one simple reason:
Kheldians.
I mean, they're *designed* to swap forms - which, in a sense, is related to the whole "lock pose in vanity travel power" bit. And we've recently had a power altered to carry over into forms - that at the same time lost a "form," Light form.
I'm about 87% sure that it's a mechanical issue or coding issue, *not* a balance issue.
Can I have a new vanity travel power that lets me do this?
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
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This happened to me last night on live servers, Justice, in the middle of some mission that I can't recall. It did seem to happen in correlation with Mystic Fortune... but only happened once. I was on my Kin/Arch defender.
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Only if you have to shoot bananas out your nose whenever you activate it.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Can I have a new vanity travel power that lets me do this?
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Originally Posted by Arbiter Warrant
Lucky666 -
When you say "Dragon's Tail" are you referring to the leg sweep animation? It appears when you have your "Staff out"? Meaning you have the Staff Fighting powerset, and it only happens when you have recently clicked a power and the staff still appears in your character's hands? And then Mystic Fortune is cast on you by another player? If so - PM me would you? And let me know where you saw this - on a Live server, or Beta... I would appreciate it! Arbiter Warrant |
Basically though I've been playing my staff a lot lately cause it's fun and I noticed it all the time when the staff is out dragons tail when hit with mystic fortune, no staff no dragons tail also no mystic fortune animation just the graphics effect plays. The only other toon I've been playing also is my ill/dark and he never plays any animation when hit with mystic fortune just the graphics go off. It's a female avatar that is my staff fighter if that matters I have no idea. It's on the live servers.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
It probably wouldn't be impossible to do, but it likely would not be absolutely trivial either.
The game saves an overall "image" of the state of the character record as you're logging off. As far as we know it can only currently do this as a final "clean-up" activity while logging off. There's probably no current way to log the state of the toggles -while- you're actively playing. The data structure maintaining that info may only exist in the character record stored on disk. So they'd have to come up with a way to keep track of that info dynamically as you're playing. This would add to the overall info they'd need to maintain in memory about your character while it's being played which is something that might not be as easy as it would seem. You'd instantly run into extra server bandwidth issues if nothing else. Bottomline we should probably assume that if something like this was easy to do they probably would have already considered it. |
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Originally Posted by BrainBrillo
I hesitate to guess how easy it would be, but the logoff change does indicate it's possible.
More likely that the team would make newer, more expensive travel powers that do this and possibly offer (paid) upgrades for the existing ones. |
If I'm not too mistaken about how the mechanics work, they could add in a new disallowed/disable mode and have it disable clicks,and suppress toggles. But that, while "easy" would be a lot of work actually adding in the flag(s).
Main issue is if a how attached to mez only is the toggle suppression tech.
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Committing the character to the database (long-term) storage actually happens around 10-15 minutes after you log off IIRC. This is why toggles used to remain on for a while after you logged off, but only if you logged back in within that window.|
Originally Posted by Lothic
The game saves an overall "image" of the state of the character record as you're logging off. As far as we know it can only currently do this as a final "clean-up" activity while logging off.
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There are incremental checkpoints as well (the cause of 'rollback' of recent events when a server crashes), but it's the final commit that removes the character from the game server's active state. Things like which powers were toggled on, as well their recharge state were lost at that point, because the database didn't contain that information.
I kind of suspect that the motivation behind the change may have partially been to fix the "exploit" of logging off for 15 minutes to recharge powers that have a >15min fixed recharge. That's just a guess -- I haven't tested to see if they are now saving power recharge data though.
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Originally Posted by BrainBrillo
I hesitate to guess how easy it would be, but the logoff change does indicate it's possible.
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Originally Posted by Rajani Isa
Main issue is if a how attached to mez only is the toggle suppression tech.
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I'm not saying it's impossible or won't happen, just that it would require a fairly significant investment of programmer time.
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I believe you do a Dragon's Tail spin animation when you get the Wheel of Fortune power from Mystic Fortune. Kind of like how you howl when you get the Moon.
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Originally Posted by Lucky666
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Basically though I've been playing my staff a lot lately cause it's fun and I noticed it all the time when the staff is out dragons tail when hit with mystic fortune, no staff no dragons tail also no mystic fortune animation just the graphics effect plays. The only other toon I've been playing also is my ill/dark and he never plays any animation when hit with mystic fortune just the graphics go off. It's a female avatar that is my staff fighter if that matters I have no idea. It's on the live servers. |
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Originally Posted by Remaugen
Only if you have to shoot bananas out your nose whenever you activate it.
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I think the key to the solution IMHO is to supress toggles and not turn them off.
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Make this apply to any other "Power Suppression" related event and I'll be happy. Speaking specifically about Vanity Travel Powers, this factor is actually making me only use them on toons that I rarely take toggle powers on (which is a rarity in and of itself). It honestly makes the decision to purchase one on the market very difficult in terms of cost vs functionality.
1) Accepting a Magic Fortune causes every one of my characters, and all of the characters of my friends that I team with, to do the Martial Arts Powerset Dragon's Tail animation every single time. Always. We thought that it was an intentional change.
2) It would be a very nice change if the store Travel Powers (Ninja Run, Beast Run, Rocket Board, Magic Carpet) simply suppressed your toggles instead of turning them off. It's not a big deal on my Blasters, but I just can't stand using the store Travel Powers on my Tanks. I kept forgetting to turn all of my toggles back on.
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the legsweep animation happens whenever you activate heightened senses on willpower and ninjitsu too. Although it usually only happens when you are flying and turn it on for ninjitsu.
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Originally Posted by Arbiter Warrant
Lucky666 -
When you say "Dragon's Tail" are you referring to the leg sweep animation? It appears when you have your "Staff out"? Meaning you have the Staff Fighting powerset, and it only happens when you have recently clicked a power and the staff still appears in your character's hands? And then Mystic Fortune is cast on you by another player? If so - PM me would you? And let me know where you saw this - on a Live server, or Beta... I would appreciate it! Arbiter Warrant |
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It happens on live, and not just with Staff toons. My KM/ElA scrapper has been doing it on live as of late also.
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Originally Posted by Arbiter Warrant
Lucky666 -
When you say "Dragon's Tail" are you referring to the leg sweep animation? It appears when you have your "Staff out"? Meaning you have the Staff Fighting powerset, and it only happens when you have recently clicked a power and the staff still appears in your character's hands? And then Mystic Fortune is cast on you by another player? If so - PM me would you? And let me know where you saw this - on a Live server, or Beta... I would appreciate it! Arbiter Warrant |
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Ninja Run and Beast Run don't do anything to your toggles. You can run them and all your toggles for as long as you like (or as long as you have enough endurance, if it comes to that).
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Originally Posted by Peregrine_Falcon
2) It would be a very nice change if the store Travel Powers (Ninja Run, Beast Run, ...) simply suppressed your toggles instead of turning them off.
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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Originally Posted by Aggelakis
Ninja Run and Beast Run don't do anything to your toggles. You can run them and all your toggles for as long as you like (or as long as you have enough endurance, if it comes to that).
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Ninja Run only turns off Combat Jumping, if I remember correctly.
Doesn't change the fact that Rocket Board only suppressing toggles, instead of shutting them off completely, would be a welcome change.
Exactly. I have no problem with the vanity travel powers suppressing powers, I just detest toggling all my shields, etc. back on again after flying across town on a magic carpet.
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When you say "Dragon's Tail" are you referring to the leg sweep animation?
It appears when you have your "Staff out"? Meaning you have the Staff Fighting powerset, and it only happens when you have recently clicked a power and the staff still appears in your character's hands? And then Mystic Fortune is cast on you by another player?
If so - PM me would you? And let me know where you saw this - on a Live server, or Beta...
I would appreciate it!
Arbiter Warrant
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Thank you for the time...