I'll drink to that. An illusion port is *LONG LONG LONG* overdue. And the flimsy excuse to not give it to us last time was really lame.
And just to head it off, no, it won't be overpowered because of PA - if a mind permadom perma confusing an AV isn't overpowered, then neither is keeping one distracted with perma PA - and no, it won't be underpowered because of pseudopets that don't get domination - if electric and ice, which essentially only get dom on their two holds (dom is almost irrelevant for the immobs and flash freeze is useless) are fine, then illusion would be fine too.
@MuonNeutrino
Student, Gamer, Altaholic, and future Astronomer.
This is what it means to be a tank!
Quote:
Yes, it's not like one of these options require a significant time investment and constant attention while the other is just one click every minute...| if a mind permadom perma confusing an AV isn't overpowered, then neither is keeping one distracted with perma PA |
Illusion would be terribly overpowered on dominators if it was a direct port from controllers. I'm all for it! Power is fun.
Quote:
Not nearly as over powered as my current ill/dark troller can take 2 hive monsters down in 5 minutes. |
Originally Posted by Nihilii
Yes, it's not like one of these options require a significant time investment and constant attention while the other is just one click every minute...
Illusion would be terribly overpowered on dominators if it was a direct port from controllers. I'm all for it! Power is fun. |
Illusion for Doms!
Quote:
OK.|
Originally Posted by MesmerLune
Come on guys we need to start a petition or something.
|
/starts petition to ban asking for illusion for doms ever again.
pretty sure the only reason Trolls are p2p is because of the illusion set. I don't see the Devs ever giving it to another AT.
Trust me, we've asked this many times before.
I don't think it's going to happen so I give up already. At this point, I don't even know what is the "hold up". Too good? Too bad? I say just let the players decide.
The fact that they chose not to port it to Dominator in last round of proliferation (Dom didn't get anything) proves that they don't plan on porting Illusion.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
Can't do it. Too busy giving all the other ATs more sets again. Silly dom players will have to wait another year for 'special' surprise. Maybe this one won't be leaked to MMs first.
Please buff Ice Control.
Last the devs said, they just said they were scared to port it directly. Which means they are going to break it when they do port it over like they did with Blaster Psi Blast. It will probably be another boring cookie cutter control set. 
The City of Heroes Community is a special one and I will always look fondly on my times arguing, discussing and playing with you all. Thanks and thanks to the developers for a special experience.
Between doms being at the bottom of their priority list and the need to change a couple powers for a port (unkillable pets going bye bye and invis getting replaced) I don't see it happening anytime Soon (TM).
Please buff Ice Control.
In all honesty I dont even see a need for Illusion Doms.. many things in the set dont benefit from domination and you can always roll a controller anyway..
I do agree that Doms have fallen way behind the curve in terms of available powersets. Personally I would rather they make something entirely NEW for Doms rather than just getting another Controller ported over set.. AGAIN..
And Dark was underwhelming to me.. and that friggin dog is annoying.. Didnt even make one when it came out on live..
The hard things I can do--- The impossible just take a little bit longer.
If numbers are so much more important than a teammate who is fun to play with, forget about the game altogether and go play with a calculator instead. -Claws and Effect-
Quote:
I think it is almost guaranteed that you will get that wish... more options, and new sets that is.
|
Originally Posted by Airhammer
I do agree that Doms have fallen way behind the curve in terms of available powersets. Personally I would rather they make something entirely NEW for Doms rather than just getting another Controller ported over set.. AGAIN..
|
Quote:
Have a 50 ILL/Rad and /Storm. Have not played /Dark on anything yet. |
Originally Posted by Lucky666
Not nearly as over powered as my current ill/dark troller can take 2 hive monsters down in 5 minutes.
Illusion for Doms! |
Really good you say? Is that IO'd and level shifted?
Virtue and Freedom
Hi, my name is Northman, and I am an Altoholic. No wait, I'm Lost Nova, no wait, Arc Havoc, no, Dragon Moon, no, Lord Fury......
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Airhammer
In all honesty I dont even see a need for Illusion Doms.. many things in the set dont benefit from domination and you can always roll a controller anyway..
I do agree that Doms have fallen way behind the curve in terms of available powersets. Personally I would rather they make something entirely NEW for Doms rather than just getting another Controller ported over set.. AGAIN.. And Dark was underwhelming to me.. and that friggin dog is annoying.. Didnt even make one when it came out on live.. |
Illusion Controllers Don't benefit from Containment either with their Illusion Controls.
Except for Blasting mobs with Spectral Wounds and Blind.
An Ill/Fire/Fire Dom would be no different from a Plant/Fire/Fire Dom or a Ill/Cold, /Rad, /Dark...To be perfectly honest... I'm stumped as well. I guess they don't want to port because the set b/c they are a little lazy and the port might break the game coding wise?
Quote:
/Dark Affinity is amazing and is overkill no matter what set it is paired with :P.
|
Originally Posted by Northman
Have a 50 ILL/Rad and /Storm. Have not played /Dark on anything yet.
Really good you say? Is that IO'd and level shifted? |
Quote:
T4 incarnate everything perma PA |
Originally Posted by Northman
Have a 50 ILL/Rad and /Storm. Have not played /Dark on anything yet.
Really good you say? Is that IO'd and level shifted? |
A bonus I was able to get PA perma with out any incarnate powers so they all went to pretty much more damage and clarion.
Maybe they would rather port ill to the MM.
Quote:
.........this statement is just wrong on so many levels..............omg.
|
Originally Posted by Mr_Kingkillaha
Maybe they would rather port ill to the MM.
|
RaikenX is currently seeking new quotes to add to his signature.
Someone say something funny.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Smiling_Joe
::looks at RaikenX's signature::
Something funny. |
Quote:
You know I look at Dark Affinity.. and just get confused. If Illusion would be overpowered on a Dom.. then Dark Affinity never should have made it to Controllers. (And lets not talk about Time Manipulation!)..
|
Originally Posted by Tater Todd
/Dark Affinity is amazing and is overkill no matter what set it is paired with :P.
|
My level 50 Dominators:
Madame Mindbender 50 Mind/Energy
Fly Agaric 50 Plant/Thorn
Nate Nitro 50 Fire/Psi
Quote:
I agree. I believed the crap a few years ago until I started playing Blue side and I discovered Fire and Ill and then Plant when it was ported to Blueside. The Illusion would be OP on Doms argument now is a complete joke.
|
Originally Posted by RiverOcean
You know I look at Dark Affinity.. and just get confused. If Illusion would be overpowered on a Dom.. then Dark Affinity never should have made it to Controllers. (And lets not talk about Time Manipulation!)..
|
The one change I'd like added would be for the AoE invis to be some toggle aura that also adds some dmg/control. Something like WoC perhaps. Or OG sans self-dmg.
Please buff Ice Control.
The 'real' concern I would have would be asuaged by swapping group invis for a limited AoE control. Give it a huge cone sleep in group invis' place and your'e good. I wonder if it also needs something control-ish in the place of spectral wounds, but if that power hit with Doms' numbers, you KNOW it would find a use.
(As to group invis vs. superior invis: I know some prefer group invis to superior invis, but I think the way superior invis give JUST you a -threat level, with unsuppressed stealth, would help dom survival better)
Though in all honesty I could see the devs giving doms a phantom army on a quick(er) recharge with minor damage. This would mean doms have superior (aggro)control with illusion, but lose what controllers get but they already have in their secondary: damage.
Quote:
Spectral wounds is tier 1-2, correct? Could just skip it unless you want another dmg attack. Similar to what most doms do with the ST immob. So based on what you said and this, I don't see SW as any hold up to the prolif.|
Originally Posted by Seldom
The 'real' concern I would have would be asuaged by swapping group invis for a limited AoE control. Give it a huge cone sleep in group invis' place and your'e good. I wonder if it also needs something control-ish in the place of spectral wounds, but if that power hit with Doms' numbers, you KNOW it would find a use.
(As to group invis vs. superior invis: I know some prefer group invis to superior invis, but I think the way superior invis give JUST you a -threat level, with unsuppressed stealth, would help dom survival better) Though in all honesty I could see the devs giving doms a phantom army on a quick(er) recharge with minor damage. This would mean doms have superior (aggro)control with illusion, but lose what controllers get but they already have in their secondary: damage. |
The issues, if the devs have any, are immune pets and buff/def heavy. If they want to nerf the pets, then they can maintain the group invis, but make it a controllish/damagish aoe toggle. All my opinion of course.
Please buff Ice Control.
I'd personally rather see Phantasm become a replacement for the Phantom Army. Where the Army is focussed on making up for the damage that the Control can't deal, Phantasm is there to take the aggro from enemies through the use of damage Absorb and the Decoy, perhaps two decoys. Give the Dominator Phantasm some weak melee attacks and it's now a tank.
Quote:
Personally, I want the set just as it is. No changes whatsoever. Probably won't get my wish, but Illusion doesn't need anything.
|
Originally Posted by DarkCurrent
The one change I'd like added would be for the AoE invis to be some toggle aura that also adds some dmg/control. Something like WoC perhaps. Or OG sans self-dmg.
|
The City of Heroes Community is a special one and I will always look fondly on my times arguing, discussing and playing with you all. Thanks and thanks to the developers for a special experience.
Come on guys we need to start a petition or something. For far too long we have waited for them to bring dark (secondary) to the trollers and now it's there. So when are dominators finally going to get illusion?! Everyone complained and said no dark cant be given to trollers cause it's like 2 controller sets. Well guess what, it is like 2 controller sets! BIG DEAL! Dark works great with trollers as illusions will work with Dominators. And no the power set wont be broken, just OP same as many other builds.