The Shawarma Initiative *SPOILERS* AVENGERS DISCUSSION *SPOILERS*
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Posted on: 2012-05-04 24:12 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
As I didn't see it mentioned before...
Hawkeye's select-a-warhead quiver was pretty nifty. With wireless control!
I will be surprised if it doesn't make it's way into the comics.
-k
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Ya, they seemed to put a lot of thought into how an archery hero would actually work. I was a bit impressed with that. Especially when they showed him grabbing up previously used arrows to use again.
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Originally Posted by NinjaPirate
As I didn't see it mentioned before...
Hawkeye's select-a-warhead quiver was pretty nifty. With wireless control! I will be surprised if it doesn't make it's way into the comics. -k |
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Originally Posted by BrandX
I work with someone who's in her mid 50's with a toddler. It's not like this doesn't happen.
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The movie version of Howard Stern is Tony's father. People just have to deal with it.
Edit: STERN?
WTF was I thinking when I typed that? 
While the movies do indeed have Howard Stark as his father, we have to give credit to Samothrake for making a great case and providing a pretty air-tight proposal for working out of it.
If they make an Iron Man reboot in a few years, I'd say it is time to add another Stark in the timeline.
Don't get me wrong... this doesn't bother me at all. Time gets really weird with all these sorts of things (fictional characters carried on, and having their stories retold, for generations). This especially becomes an issue when things are attached to the WWII era (or any significant period in history).
We're drifting farther and farther away from it, hehe...
That started happening with the returning Vietnam war background characters a few decades ago... Hmm, wait, did he just say, "when we came back from Nam"?? He'd be like... 10 years old when the US left Nam!
Anyway... The Stark thing does still work today (albeit a bit sloppily). In a few years, it'll be a lot worse. And Samothrake's suggestion should work.
The timey wimey stuff isn't a problem for me though.
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Howard Stern is Tony Stark's father?!?! |
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
The movie version of Howard Stern is Tony's father. People just have to deal with it.
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@Zethustra
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Stark.. Stern... Stoic... |
Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
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Doesn't matter. Tony's father was distant and so he's still acting out.
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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
Howard Stern is Tony Stark's father?!?!
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Sorry, I don't know where "Stern" came from. Huge brainfart on my part.
On a slightly side note, because I'm still fairly new to CoX: If the Avengers were CoX characters, what would their archtype/skill sets be? I'm sure this will cause a giant can of worms to be unleashed, but I'm just curious.
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Originally Posted by Amethyst Rose
On a slightly side note, because I'm still fairly new to CoX: If the Avengers were CoX characters, what would their archtype/skill sets be? I'm sure this will cause a giant can of worms to be unleashed, but I'm just curious.
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Thor - Inv/War Mace Tank
Hulk - SS/Inv Brute (or Inv/SS Tank)
Black Widow - Dual Pistol/Devices Blaster
Hawkeye - Trick Arrow/Archery Defender
Captain America - Street Justice/Shield Defense Scrapper
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Thor's a little hard to place only because his Storm Summoning powers are just as powerful if not superior to his Tank powers.
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Originally Posted by Dark One
Iron Man - Energy/Energy Blaster
Thor - Inv/War Mace Tank Hulk - SS/Inv Brute (or Inv/SS Tank) Black Widow - Dual Pistol/Devices Blaster Hawkeye - Trick Arrow/Archery Defender Captain America - Street Justice/Shield Defense Scrapper |
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Eh, I'd consider his storm bit to be an APP style thing, Electrical Mastery if that was available to tanks. His main thing is smashy and taking the hits.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Thor's a little hard to place only because his Storm Summoning powers are just as powerful if not superior to his Tank powers.
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With all due respect, it's not just Electric Mastery. When Loki sent the golem to kill him in the first movie he created a controlled tornado to suck it up into the air and he fried the flying whale thing with storm summoned lightning in the Avengers. He may prefer smashy being raised in a warrior culture like Asgard, but his storm powers are no weak sister APP set.|
Originally Posted by Dark One
Eh, I'd consider his storm bit to be an APP style thing, Electrical Mastery if that was available to tanks. His main thing is smashy and taking the hits.
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It would be much easier to create Thor in the AE as an NPC rather than as a PC.
Or as a dev. I've seen a couple of their characters builds at events in game and they can have every power set all at once if the want.
Iron Man is a tankmage.
Iron Man is THE tankmage.
-k
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It's funny, the GF & I kinda had a similar chat while waiting for a friend to meet us to see the Film last Saturday.|
Originally Posted by Dark One
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Thor - Inv/War Mace Tank Hulk - SS/Inv Brute (or Inv/SS Tank) Black Widow - Dual Pistol/Devices Blaster Hawkeye - Trick Arrow/Archery Defender Captain America - Street Justice/Shield Defense Scrapper |
Shell head is dead on.
With Thor, yes you could try and work a electrical type in, but for general use, I'd go Inv/WM as well.
Hulk is dead on for a Brute as well. The GF wondered why not a Tank. I mentioned that the Brute suits the Hulk's nature better.
Black Widow could go a couple of ways: DP/Dev Blaster, MA/Nin Stalker, MA/SR Scrapper. Personally, I'd go Stalker and pick up Pistol Temps.
Hawkeye would go Arch/TA Corr, personally.
I'd say Cap is dead on as well.
Thank you for the time...
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Originally Posted by Tymers_Realm
It's funny, the GF & I kinda had a similar chat while waiting for a friend to meet us to see the Film last Saturday.
Shell head is dead on. With Thor, yes you could try and work a electrical type in, but for general use, I'd go Inv/WM as well. Hulk is dead on for a Brute as well. The GF wondered why not a Tank. I mentioned that the Brute suits the Hulk's nature better. Black Widow could go a couple of ways: DP/Dev Blaster, MA/Nin Stalker, MA/SR Scrapper. Personally, I'd go Stalker and pick up Pistol Temps. Hawkeye would go Arch/TA Corr, personally. I'd say Cap is dead on as well. Thank you for the time... |
I, personally, think Thor would be a WM/Inv Brute. Am I alone?
As for Hulk, I cast my vote for a SS/WP Brute.
I agree with almost everything you said about Black Widow, except I would go with Stj/? instead.
With you on Hawkeye.
Yep. Cap is perfect as StJ/Shield.
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That's what I've heard as well; I'm very sure a lot of extra footage will go in and if I can watch it as an extended cut, I'll be happy to. |
Originally Posted by Nericus
Whedon was indicating about 30 minutes at least was cut from Avengers for the cinema.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
It occurs to me I didn't mention my favorite scene. Its the scene where Banner says "that's my secret Cap, I'm always angry" and then turns into the Hulk.
Earlier in the movie Banner tells the rest of them that at one point he did in fact try to stop the Hulk by attempting suicide: he put a gun in his mouth and "he" spit out the bullet. It reminded me of Peter David's last issue of his run on the Hulk where a future Rick Jones is telling the story about what happened to Banner after Betty Ross died. At one point he recalls that Banner tried to kill himself through increasingly bizarre and spectacular ways, and how it almost seemed like the Hulk was taunting him by letting him get very close to succeeding before changing and saving him. So when Banner says "I'm always angry" and turns I was reminded of that same comic when Rick Jones recounts when he last saw Banner. Banner had come to say goodbye, and just before he leaves he stops, takes off his glasses, and then turns into the Hulk. No pain, no struggle, one second he's Banner and the next he's the Hulk. Jones remarks how odd it was, as if Banner had finally given in to the Hulk and for the first time he just let the Hulk emerge. That's sort of what I saw. To me Banner was showing everyone how much he struggles with the Hulk by showing what it looks like when he decides to simply let the Hulk loose. No pain, no struggle, no drawn out transformation: the Hulk simply emerges. I found that to be a pitch-perfect encapsulation of the character in that one moment. What we normally see is Banner losing the fight with the Hulk he normally wrestles with constantly. What we see in that last transformation is what happens when Banner decides to stop fighting for a moment. I also know there are people who think there are little hints that Banner is in there in partial control of the Hulk, but I think that except for the fact that the Hulk is Banner, or at least a part of him, I don't think that is the case. Rather, I think that unlike the first time the Hulk emerges on the Helicarrier this time Banner allowed the Hulk to simply emerge; his subconsicous and conscious mind were on the same page, and the Hulk behaved accordingly. Banner knew this was a time the Hulk was needed and needed to work with the others, so the Hulk instinctively knew that also and was far more cooperative. I don't think Banner even consciously remembered the events that occurred when the Hulk went on a rampage on the Helicarrier, so he couldn't have taken any satisfaction from sucker punching Thor. But the Hulk obviously remembered. At least that's my interpretation of those events, and why I like that one moment in the movie. Its a little thing that evokes a lot of background on the Hulk, possibly better than anything in either of the actual Hulk movies combined. |
This is absolutely true; I know 2008's Incredible Hulk wasn't the best recieved of the recent Marvel movies, but it did lay some groundwork which was intelligently built upon.
In what ultimately became an alternate scene, the original opening of the movie had Banner do just what was described, him on an ice floe about to commit suicide only to Hulk out and stop it happening; interestingly, one of the original trailers showed some soldiers walking past what appeared to be someone frozen in the ice ala Captain America, replete with shield....the implication being that the Hulk's actions inadvertantly freed Rogers.
In reference to how much Banner is aware of, one of the things they establish in the movie is that Banner's brain, particularly his amyglada, was overloaded when he transformed, making him unable to think clearly beyond the rage. By the end of that movie, he's been treated and is clearly being shown to have achieved some level of control over the transformation.
Then by the time we come to this movie, we're seeing that although he still Hulks out, Banner's mind is still in there, affecting things. He may refer to the Hulk as 'the other guy', but it's Banner. Banner who I think looks genuinely a bit worried that Cap is going to reprimand him before telling him to go smash. It's all in the expression, the same one that he gives Natasha before he transforms the first time, that 'I'm sorry' look. He's in there, and he's pushing his way forward into the Hulk's mind more and more. It's also Banner's frustration at possibly losing Stark that causes that wonderfully funny 'wake the pancake UP!' roar.
Ruffalo has come out and said he wants to play a Hulk more merged and in control, and Arcana...if you've read as much Peter David as I have (I own his entire run on the Hulk book), then you know a merged Hulk can be a tremendously fun thing, especially with someone like Ruffalo in the role.
To me, this is a subtle, intelligent, and more importantly aware step forward in the character, giving me hope we may see more to a Hulk than just 'Smash' on film.
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I don't think it's a coincidence that this is the first movie in which the Hulk is performance captured from the actor playing Banner. I think has two effects - a more emotive and Banner-ish Hulk, and a more authentic performance from Ruffalo, who is thinking "any minute now I'm going to get to suit up and smash stuff".
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It's his Ion Judgement. If anyone is an Incarnate, it's Thor.|
Originally Posted by Dark One
Eh, I'd consider his storm bit to be an APP style thing, Electrical Mastery if that was available to tanks. His main thing is smashy and taking the hits.
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Originally Posted by MentalMaden
It's his Ion Judgement. If anyone is an Incarnate, it's Thor.
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One could possibly say the same with Iron Man, but he's possibly more like a Blaster that's purpled-out to soft cap defense. Pay-to-win, indeed!
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Except it is the second, I'm pretty sure. One of the on-set issues with the last one was Norton's insistence on using himself for the capture, as I recall reading...
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
I don't think it's a coincidence that this is the first movie in which the Hulk is performance captured from the actor playing Banner. I think has two effects - a more emotive and Banner-ish Hulk, and a more authentic performance from Ruffalo, who is thinking "any minute now I'm going to get to suit up and smash stuff".
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I was looking up the Patron Pools and it looks like a Tank with Scirocco's would probably fit. Combine that with Preemptive Interface, Resilient Alpha (for Stun duration), Ion Judgement, Barrier Destiny (Resistance), and Melee Hybrid. Some are questionable, like the Alpha could be the Damage one.
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Originally Posted by MentalMaden
It's his Ion Judgement. If anyone is an Incarnate, it's Thor.
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Originally Posted by MentalMaden
It's his Ion Judgement. If anyone is an Incarnate, it's Thor.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Yeah, I was going to say that, too.
One could possibly say the same with Iron Man, but he's possibly more like a Blaster that's purpled-out to soft cap defense. Pay-to-win, indeed! |
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I heard it was the first, but I could have heard wrong. These days, it seems surprising not to use perf cap.
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Originally Posted by Chyll
Except it is the second, I'm pretty sure. One of the on-set issues with the last one was Norton's insistence on using himself for the capture, as I recall reading...
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I really should do something about this signature.
Also, in Spider-Man I, doesn't Aunt May say to Peter "you're not Superman, you know"?
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